Israel is itching to go to war with Turkiye and Egypt

[K2RULEZ]

I do not think Israel can beat Turkey and Egypt in a combined war.

Israel would undoubtedly resort to nuclear weapons without hesitation if it felt pushed to the brink of conventional destruction. As a few members on this forum have already pointed out, there should be no mistake about that.

Türkiye, Egypt or anyone else in the Middle East except Pakistan has no capability to respond to Israeli nuclear blackmail.

 

[Feroze]

Israel would undoubtedly resort to nuclear weapons without hesitation if it felt pushed to the brink of conventional destruction. As a few members on this forum have already pointed out, there should be no mistake about that.

Even if Israel used nuclear weapons, I believe Israel would still lose to both Turkey and Egypt.

 

[K2RULEZ]

Even if Israel used nuclear weapons, I believe Israel would still lose to both Turkey and Egypt.

That is highly unlikely. Israel maintains the Samson Option for a definitive reason. It guarantees complete and utter destruction, bypassing any measured, tit for tat escalation. Ultimately, no matter how formidable a nation's conventional forces are, it can never effectively counter a nuclear strike without a nuclear deterrent of its own.

You are essentially bringing a knife to a laser fight.

 

[KAL-EL]

You must also remember that Pakistan will reserve the right to return the favor manifold. We can also play Samson option mind games. Anyone who thinks that Pakistani nuclear weapons are India centric needs a thorough reality check.

We fully know why the US Navy seals are stationed at the US embassy of Islamabad. They won't succeed in stopping Pakistan from doing the necessary.

How did this become about pakistan? This is about Israel and Turkey.

 

[KAL-EL]

I do not think Israel can beat Turkey and Egypt in a combined war.

Well only one way to find out.

 

[K2RULEZ]

How did this become about pakistan? This is about Israel and Turkey.

We are talking about the Sunni axis.

https://www.inss.org.il/strategic_assessment/the-emergence-of-the-sunni-axis-in-the-middle-east/

The implications of a new Sunni axis and the reshaping of the Middle East | The Jerusalem Post

“Sunni axis” is a term that is gaining currency. It refers to a new security alliance of Sunni states that seems to be emerging, with the SMDA at its heart. Turkey and Qatar will probably join.

www.jpost.com

Saudi Arabia launches a regional security axis with Turkey, Pakistan, Egypt and Qatar

Saudi Arabia has launched talks to build a Sunni security axis with Turkey, Pakistan, Egypt and Qatar to offset a possible U.S. pullback.

meta-defense.fr

Egypt, Türkiye, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan are all part of it.

 

[KAL-EL]

That is highly unlikely. Israel maintains the Samson Option for a definitive reason. It guarantees complete and utter destruction, bypassing any measured, tit for tat escalation. Ultimately, no matter how formidable a nation's conventional forces are, it can never effectively counter a nuclear strike without a nuclear deterrent of its own.

You are essentially bringing a knife to a laser fight.

This x100

In the event Israel was going to be destroyed and it's inhabitants slaughtered, it would launch a Samson option event. And for people silly enough to think they can wipe israel all out before that happens.

Israel has something called second strike capability. It will be destroyed, along with the Palestinians and most of the Middle East. Millions of Christians and Muslims will die

 

[K2RULEZ]

This x100

In the event Israel was going to be destroyed and it's inhabitants slaughtered, it would launch a Samson option event. And for people silly enough to think they can wipe israel all out before that happens.

Israel has something called second strike capability. It will be destroyed, along with the Palestinians and most of the Middle East. Millions of Christians and Muslims will die

Pakistan also has a second strike capability. It is also working on a strong sea based strike capability. The air and land based capabilities are covered. If millions of Muslims and Christians die, entire Israel will disappear from the map. There is not an ounce of doubt. Israel is essentially a dot on the map.

Jewish American senators' concerns over Pakistan's expanding long range missile capabilities stem directly from the country's development of a second strike capability.

 

[KAL-EL]

Pakistan also has a second strike capability. If millions of Muslims and Christians die, entire Israel will disappear from the map. There is not an ounce of doubt.

Uhh the point I was making is Israel would obviously not use nuclear weapons first. But if nuclear weapons were used against Israel first there would be a Samson option event no doubt.

 

[K2RULEZ]

Uhh the point I was making is Israel would obviously not use nuclear weapons first. But if nuclear weapons were used against Israel first there would be a Samson option event no doubt.

Given its lack of geographic depth, Israel faces the real possibility of being overwhelmed conventionally by larger neighbors like Egypt or Turkey. Should Israel face imminent destruction, it would almost certainly feel compelled to deploy its nuclear arsenal as a last resort. The Samson Option is exactly such a scenario.

Israel is deeply concerned by what it calls the 'Sunni axis', an alliance that takes on a whole new dimension with the inclusion of a nuclear Pakistan.

Given Israel's active assistance to India, it should anticipate a reciprocal strategic response. Pakistan is poised to collaborate with Saudi Arabia and Türkiye to construct a credible and collective deterrent. This framework is not targeted exclusively at Israel, but rather serves as a broader countermeasure against any hostile bloc or nation.

 

[KAL-EL]

Given its lack of geographic depth, Israel faces the real possibility of being overwhelmed conventionally by larger neighbors like Egypt or Turkey. Should Israel face imminent destruction, it would almost certainly feel compelled to deploy its nuclear arsenal as a last resort. The Samson Option is exactly such a scenario.

Israel is deeply concerned by what it calls the 'Sunni axis', an alliance that takes on a whole new dimension with the inclusion of a nuclear Pakistan.

Okay well at least you know what the Samson option is. It seems some here don't no or don't take it seriously .
.Like it's a video game or something

Not to mention what the response from the US would be. But that's another post altogether.

I don't see Israel, Egypt, Jordan and turkey going to war anytime soon. Maybe in the imaginations of some here on PDF but that's about it.

The real world il isn't run on nuke this nuke that.

This is no video game like some here treated as. You can't reset the game when the nukes start flying and millions die

 

[K2RULEZ]

Okay well at least you know what the Samson option is. It seems some here don't no or don't take it seriously .
.Like it's a video game or something

Not to mention what the response from the US would be. But that's another post altogether.

I don't see Israel, Egypt, Jordan and turkey going to war anytime soon. Maybe in the imaginations of some here on PDF but that's about it.

The real world il isn't run on nuke this nuke that.

It doesn't matter what the response would be from X, Y or Z after a nuclear strike takes place. The world would be doomed anyway. The moment Israel is struck it is game over. Even for the mighty US.

Hitting Israel is essentially hitting the US. Not vice versa by the way.

 

[KAL-EL]

It doesn't matter what the response would be from X, Y or Z after a nuclear strike takes place. The world would be doomed anyway. The moment Israel is struck it is game over. Even for the mighty US.

When the nukes start flying it is indeed game over for humanity.

No reset button, no second chances.

And I'll guarantee you this, if the US goes down then so does everyone else

 

[K2RULEZ]

When the nukes start flying it is indeed game over for humanity.

No reset button, no second chances.

And I'll guarantee you this, if the US goes down then so does everyone else

This is exactly my point. Conventional war can never rival nuclear war.

Türkiye, Egypt and others are not on equal footing without nuclear weapons. In the Sunni axis equation, Pakistan takes a very prominent role as the sole Islamic nuclear power.

Israel has every reason to worry about the addition of Pakistan to the Sunni bloc.

 

[KAL-EL]

This is exactly my point. Conventional war can never rival nuclear war.

Türkiye, Egypt and others are not on equal footing without nuclear weapons.

Correct! Well let's hope cooler heads prevail and no one dares think they can launch a nuclear strike against another nuclear Nation..

Rational actors is what we need controlling those weapons