Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present
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Meengla
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Question is: What is this big or unprecedented weapon IDF going to use in Lebanon? Can't be yet another 'bunker buster' or some MOAB?
Increasingly there is talk about Israelis using tactical nukes. I am not much of military hardware guy but I think IDF would have to use multiple nukes over Lebanon to push back Hezbollah to the Litani River.
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It was not present at any of Al-Qassam event before.. It is possible that it was present and was not announced..
The missile used is the Chinese
Red Arrow HJ-8L anti-armor guided missile (the letter L is an abbreviation for the word Light), as it is intended for carrying by two people and its original base is low in height for launching it from the prone position. It is a light and modified version of the HJ-8E missile. Therefore, we note its installation on the platform three of the Russian Kornet anti-armor guided missile, to raise it to a high height suitable for the shooter and the angle and height of the shooting.
The HJ-8E and HJ-8L versions have been updated with a fully digital FCS firing control system and a thermal imaging system suitable for day and night firing. It has a maximum range of 4 km and a tandem warhead that enables it to overcome and exceed ERA and non-explosive reactive armor.
Despite the joy of the successful hit, the archer did not wait a second! Rather, he immediately began dismantling the missile platform in order to withdraw, change location and station in another location, or withdraw to his combat node or rest area... If this indicates anything, it indicates high discipline and the exact implementation of orders regarding the necessity of withdrawing immediately, which is what he actually did.
I confirm once again that the targeted vehicle is a Namer CEV belonging to the Israeli Combat Engineering Corps and carrying in the back of its hull a container for the vacuum missile anti-mine Carpet system.
The majority of Namer CEV carriers equipped with the Carpet anti-mine missile system are equipped with the Trophy APS active protection system!! But the shape of the second explosion does not suggest at all that the system succeeded in intercepting the missile from this distance (and from this great distance)... which is a very sufficient distance to intercept this type of traditional anti-armor guided missiles!
My assessment is that the Trophy system often failed to confront the missile due to the tactics used by the shooter. We note in the clip that the shooter fired the missile from a blind angle from behind the tanker, where the Carpet system’s missile container was covering the radars, which hindered its ability to monitor from a long distance and thwarted the ability of the Trophy system. By successfully confronting the missile, the burning of the tanker is sufficient evidence of the success of the attack.
Why did the shooter target the rear of the right side of the tanker’s hull and not target the Carpet system container? Mostly because the container was empty of missiles. If it had been full, it would have exploded in a massive explosion, burning the soldiers around it and charring the tanker in an instant.
The missile used is the Chinese
Red Arrow HJ-8L anti-armor guided missile (the letter L is an abbreviation for the word Light), as it is intended for carrying by two people and its original base is low in height for launching it from the prone position. It is a light and modified version of the HJ-8E missile. Therefore, we note its installation on the platform three of the Russian Kornet anti-armor guided missile, to raise it to a high height suitable for the shooter and the angle and height of the shooting. The HJ-8E and HJ-8L versions have been updated with a fully digital FCS firing control system and a thermal imaging system suitable for day and night firing. It has a maximum range of 4 km and a tandem warhead that enables it to overcome and exceed ERA and non-explosive reactive armor. Despite the joy of the successful hit, the archer did not wait a second! Rather, he immediately began dismantling the missile platform in order to withdraw, change location and station in another location, or withdraw to his combat node or rest area... If this indicates anything, it indicates high discipline and the exact implementation of orders regarding the necessity of withdrawing immediately, which is what he actually did. I confirm once again that the targeted vehicle is a Namer CEV belonging to the Israeli Combat Engineering Corps and carrying in the back of its hull a container for the vacuum missile anti-mine Carpet system. The majority of Namer CEV carriers equipped with the Carpet anti-mine missile system are equipped with the Trophy APS active protection system!! But the shape of the second explosion does not suggest at all that the system succeeded in intercepting the missile from this distance (and from this great distance)... which is a very sufficient distance to intercept this type of traditional anti-armor guided missiles!My assessment is that the Trophy system often failed to confront the missile due to the tactics used by the shooter. We note in the clip that the shooter fired the missile from a blind angle from behind the tanker, where the Carpet system’s missile container was covering the radars, which hindered its ability to monitor from a long distance and thwarted the ability of the Trophy system. By successfully confronting the missile, the burning of the tanker is sufficient evidence of the success of the attack.
Why did the shooter target the rear of the right side of the tanker’s hull and not target the Carpet system container? Mostly because the container was empty of missiles. If it had been full, it would have exploded in a massive explosion, burning the soldiers around it and charring the tanker in an instant.Ghostkiller
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If Israel uses the Nukes, the world will definitely do something. For me, it is just barking. Nuke will be only used if Israel is in a life threatening situation (Israel almost used the nukes during the October War but there was debate between Golda Meir, Galili, Dayan etc... but at the end, Meir said they use the conventional weapons). Look at Russia, since the beginning of the war, Putin and Dmitry Medvedev threatened like one billion times that they will use the nuke and they never did it. So for me, Israel will use conventional weapons with carpet bombing the south and maybe Beirut also and who knows maybe biological/chemical weapons (not the white phosphorus but more deadly weapons).
lightning f57
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Some good points there, Putin doesnt have much to lose now I wonder if he continues to show such restraint.
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There is The Massive Ordnance Penetrator (MOP)
The MOP, GBU-57A/B, is a large penetrating weapon with
the ability to attack deeply buried and hardened bunkers
and tunnels. The warhead case is made from a special high
performance steel alloy and its design allows for a large
explosive payload while maintaining the integrity of the
penetrator case during impact.
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Major General (res.) Amos Gilad:
We must not be dragged into a direct military occupation of Gaza. Gaza is an area of distress, a disaster area. I have been in charge of Gaza twice in my life and my memories there are bitter, and the outlook is bleak if we are dragged into a direct military occupation.
We must not be dragged into a direct military occupation of Gaza. Gaza is an area of distress, a disaster area. I have been in charge of Gaza twice in my life and my memories there are bitter, and the outlook is bleak if we are dragged into a direct military occupation.
Meengla
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Russians didn't need to use the nukes--it was a deterrence against NATO. Russia's existence is not threatened by Ukraine, at least not in short term. However, Israel (rightly) perceives its very existence under threat unless Israel goes back to the 'peace' and the 'deterrence' before October 7, 2023. So Israel can go to any extent, IMO.
Here is a short video about Israel's options from a reputable Palestinian blogger:
You are right. Putin NOW doesn't have much to lose. Heck, he is even courting the Korean Kim!
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In the coming hours, the Israeli army will announce the completion of the Military operation
in Rafah.. The war will turn north on South Lebanon .
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in Rafah.. The war will turn north on South Lebanon .
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Minister of National Security Itamar Ben Gvir: “Jewish settlement in the Gaza Strip and encouraging voluntary immigration of the Strip’s population are realistic matters and they are what will achieve the concept of comprehensive victory.”
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