Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present

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Iran only smuggled a few firecrackers into Gaza nothing else.
first you said "100% of all the weapons that reached Gaza"

now you at least admit it was less than 100%

that's a start

and I didn't claim anything. just provided direct quotes from Hamas leaders. you instead relied on your imagination and Israeli sources, which apparently you think are better sources than Palestinian leaders
 
let me post the direct, verifiable quotes from the Palestinian leaders again so others are not confused by lies:

Yahya Sinwar: “If not for Iran’s support for the resistance … we would not have obtained these capabilities. Our [Arab] nation has deserted us in our difficult moments, while Iran has supported us with weapons, equipment and expertise.”

Abu Obaidah: “We thank the Islamic Republic of Iran who provided us with weapons, money and other equipment! He gave us missiles to destroy Zionist fortresses and helped us with standard anti-tank missiles!”

Khaled Mashaal: "We thank Iran for all its material, political and Islamic support and the value of these support will never be hidden from God and Palestinian people"

Ismail Haniyeh: "and I can not but thank those who brought froth money and weaponry to the valiant resistance. The Islamic Republic of Iran; who did not hold back with money, weapons and technical support. Thanks."
 
I watch that channel too, it's a great channel.

No doubt this is a great resounding victory for the Zionists. It is heartbreaking to see the Axis of Resistance completely shattered and there is no doubt about that, the Zionists have completely destroyed the forces of resistance in the region with the help of Erdogan who played the most crucial role.

As far as Russians and even China more distantly, being expected to counter the Zionists, I think that was always a fanciful fairytale. Russia had traditionally had good relations with Israel and although they have soured in recent years, they were never going to get into a direct conflict with Israel.

China has an even less reason to get militarily involved in this region. China is not culturally related to any of the groups here and it is a den of snakes, let's be serious about that. Look at how Iran has been treated even when they sacrificed tremendously for the Palestinian cause? They were stabbed in the back by the Arabs and Turks and even the Palestinians spit at their name. So you expect China to sacrifice its decades of economic growth and technological development to help Gaza, and then end up being backstabbed by the same people they are helping? Look at the number of Pro Palestinian Arabs here who, not only are not grateful to Iran, but make up fairytales BLAMING Gaza's situation on the Iranians! Let's be real here.

I think the case of Iran is proof that there is nothing to be gained by helping the Palestinians. At this point, I think Iran should do a 180 and announce that it no longer has imperial ambitions in the region, recognize and make peace with Israel and just abandon the Arabs and focus on their own economy and nation building.

Israel has completely made the Arab world their slaves and the Arabs only help them do so. No one else can help you when you willingly enslave yourself and backstab each other and anybody trying to help you.

I agree to a large extent, but I cant really fault the Palestinians anything. They are an oppressed people that have been stripped of their homeland, dignity and basic human rights. Please, let us not throw mud at them, they are a courageous people and they are all teaching us a lesson about the human experience and struggle for justice in modern times. Nvm their opinions about Iran or whatever.

As for Iran, I think its high time for Iran to abandon the mantle of leadership role. Iran has managed the war in a not so optimal way, although I think they did the best could given their limits, and a certain risk aversion considering what they were up against. Im not saying Iran should normalize their relations with Israel or anything lile that. Iran should never accept the legitimacy of that racist colonial state on sheer principle.

But what am saying is that Iran has been forced out of Syria, and it could be for the best as far as Iran is concerned. I dont believe the people of this region would accept Iran anymore as a leader. The Syrian arena was a failure. They had a good run for a while, but the Syrian civil war happened and things got really messy.
This is both a combination of Irans mismanagement, but I also think that being a Persian and Shiite country, Iran is naturally never going to be viewed as a leadership country in the Arab and Muslim world.
Imo Iran should re-evaluate its interests and focus inwards. Focus on Central Asia and building strong economy and relationship with fellow BRICS countries.
And by reducing its footprint in the region, perhaps have some more positive relations with the West, although I want to make it clear I still believe that the West is in a moral decay.

But nations cant afford to be too ideological at the expense of pragmatism and material interests. Unfortunately.
 
let me post the direct, verifiable quotes from the Palestinian leaders again so others are not confused by lies:

Yahya Sinwar: “If not for Iran’s support for the resistance … we would not have obtained these capabilities. Our [Arab] nation has deserted us in our difficult moments, while Iran has supported us with weapons, equipment and expertise.”

Abu Obaidah: “We thank the Islamic Republic of Iran who provided us with weapons, money and other equipment! He gave us missiles to destroy Zionist fortresses and helped us with standard anti-tank missiles!”

Khaled Mashaal: "We thank Iran for all its material, political and Islamic support and the value of these support will never be hidden from God and Palestinian people"

Ismail Haniyeh: "and I can not but thank those who brought froth money and weaponry to the valiant resistance. The Islamic Republic of Iran; who did not hold back with money, weapons and technical support. Thanks."
These are all facts.

Yet the majority of Arabs and Turks resort to fairytales where Iran is to blame for the misfortunate that has befallen the Palestinians.

I am convinced that they do this as a cover up for their own shame being either too cowardly to resist the Zionists or working as an ally to the Zionists.

They also do this out of jealousy, because jealousy is a deeply ingrained part of Middle Eastern culture let's be real, they are deeply jealous seeing a country that actually acts with honor and bravery, unlike their own. So they spend all of their energy bashing Iran.

Iran should just abandon the Arabs and work on building its own economy, which has been sorely neglected. Israel does not threaten Iran. There is no need for Iran to be an enemy to Israel.

Iran has greater technical abilities than any of the Arab countries and greater than Turkey. If Iran were to move towards neutrality and just focused on nation building, it would become one of the richest and most technologically advanced countries in the world.
 
The world respects two things, MONEY and POWER. The West is superior because of three things, MONEY, MILITARY and TECHNOLOGY. China is catching up or surpassing the West in many of these key fields and it will not get involved in a direct conflict over non-core interests until it becomes dominant. Just by becoming a peer to the West in these fields, it provides crucial alternative options to non-Western countries that they never had before.

Anyways, I strongly believe that this astounding defeat should be a clear sign for Iran to fundamentally change its approach and to abandon it's pan-Islamic project, abandon the Arabs and focus on nation building.



Iran would be well advised to focus on its own economy and military strength for at least the next 10 years. They will of course try to help Hezbollah but the future there looks bleak now and Lebanon is full of people willing to help get rid of Hezbollah due to religion or for material gain.

Without China as an alternative superpower(military,economic and technological) it will have little freedom of action and the Turks/Arabs will keep looking up to the "superior" west.

Iran I believe is vital, along with Russia(as long as they do not work against China and just are neutral), in bringing in a multi-polar world and so China will also be hoping that Iran does not fall and is made another Zio-US vassal.

Lastly, it is funny when people say "China does nothing". Well what exactly do they expect China to do when they are still not fully developed economically and militarily?
China will "flex its muscles" when it has sufficient power and so as long as it is not sabotaged then there is hope for a better future for the planet, where there are no bullies and thugs controlling the lives of others.
 
Egypt definitely could but how could KSA when we don't have a direct border with Israel? And what kind of weapons could KSA and Egypt realistically export (it is not like KSA could export say F-15 to Hamas, ballistic missiles to Hamas) that would make a 100% US/NATO/WEST-backed Israel (already with the most superior military tech in the region courtesy of the same US/NATO/WEST trio) inferior? Nothing would have changed, I am afraid.

What about Iran? Are they not the ones that since 1979 have been shouting death to Israel weekly yet never invaded or attacked Israel even once outside of the 2 fireworks shows that did zero damage to Israel and killed 0 Israelis? Attacks that were shared with the US (LOL) before they even begun? Hence Israel being prepared. The same Israel later destroyed large number of Iranian military infrastructure, bases, killed 5 Iranian soldiers and Iran did not reply.

I am not blaming Iran, as they are sitting ducks against Israel/USA/WEST/NATO (everyone is outside of Russia and China and that only due to nuclear weapons in a conventional war even the likes of China would loose against the combined forces of USA/NATO/Japan/South Korea/West and lies) but the reality of the mater is that Israel courtesy of USA (I did not even mention Israeli nukes) has a carte blanche to do whatever they want to (almost) in the region and not much (as of today) can be done about it. In so far as no nation state in the region is willing to go all-out against Israel, not even the Palestinians themselves are (see the inactivity of Palestinian Arabs within Israel that are Israeli citizens - almost 20% of the Israeli population), millions of Palestinians in occupied West Bank, millions of Palestinians in Jordan etc. Only Hamas has been fighting Israel for the past 20/25 + years. The PLO/Fatah died long ago.
I beg your pardon, but you are underestimating China too much and overestimating the West too much...

Maybe because from your perspective as a Saudi Arabian whose country's defence industry is nowhere even 10 percent the level of China's when it comes to Self-Sufficiency, but currently China's Hypersonic Weapons alone are enough to sink all US Aircraft Carriers within their range.

Think Houthi bombardments of ships, but 1000 times more devastating and precise. China can easily pick them off one-by-one. Japan and SK are sitting ducks and have no Nukes, while Europe is busy countering Russia.

China is not defenceless like Arab and Muslim Countries; it's a Superpower who is biding their time.
 
I agree to a large extent, but I cant really fault the Palestinians anything. They are an oppressed people that have been stripped of their homeland, dignity and basic human rights. Please, let us not throw mud at them, they are a courageous people and they are all teaching us a lesson about the human experience and struggle for justice in modern times. Nvm their opinions about Iran or whatever.

As for Iran, I think its high time for Iran to abandon the mantle of leadership role. Iran has managed the war in a not so optimal way, although I think they did the best could given their limits, and a certain risk aversion considering what they were up against. Im not saying Iran should normalize their relations with Israel or anything lile that. Iran should never accept the legitimacy of that racist colonial state on sheer principle.

But what am saying is that Iran has been forced out of Syria, and it could be for the best as far as Iran is concerned. I dont the people of this region would accept Iran anymore as a leader. The Syrian arena was a failure. This is both a combination of Irans mismanagement, but I also think that being a Persian and Shiite country, Iran is naturally never going to be viewed as a leadership country in the Arab and Muslim world.
Imo Iran should re-evaluate its interests and focus inwards. Focus on Central Asia and building strong economy and relationship with fellow BRICS countries.
And by reducing its footprint in the region, perhaps have some more positive relations with the West, although I want to make it clear I still believe that the West is in a moral decay.

But nations cant afford to be too ideological at the expense of pragmatism and material interests. Unfortunately.
100% agreed.

Trust me, as someone who has deeply sympathized with the Palestinians for decades, I had to come to these very difficult conclusions myself just watching these events unfold since October 7th.
 
first you said "100% of all the weapons that reached Gaza"

now you at least admit it was less than 100%

that's a start

and I didn't claim anything. just provided direct quotes from Hamas leaders. you instead relied on your imagination and Israeli sources, which apparently you think are better sources than Palestinian leaders

I don't need to think anything. From the 1970's to before the Arab spring there were weekly donations in every village, city, town, large or small, in KSA, (most of the Arab world) that collected money that was later sent to Palestinian armed organizations. As I said the conflict did not begin 15 years ago, it was ongoing for 60-70 years (1918-1979) when you were the biggest regional ally of Israel.

Everything that I wrote is correct. The Iranian weapons that were sent to Gaza crossed Arab lands and were smuggled in by Arabs to be used by Arab hands.

Just like it is only Arabs that are fighting Israel since before 1948.

So you can go paint Iran as some kind of lone warrior that fights against Israel all alone in some alternative universe.
 
Iran would be well advised to focus on its own economy and military strength for at least the next 10 years. They will of course try to help Hezbollah but the future there looks bleak now and Lebanon is full of people willing to help get rid of Hezbollah due to religion or for material gain.

Without China as an alternative superpower(military,economic and technological) it will have little freedom of action and the Turks/Arabs will keep looking up to the "superior" west.

Iran I believe is vital, along with Russia(as long as they do not work against China and just are neutral), in bringing in a multi-polar world and so China will also be hoping that Iran does not fall and is made another Zio-US vassal.

Lastly, it is funny when people say "China does nothing". Well what exactly do they expect China to do when they are still not fully developed economically and militarily?
China will "flex its muscles" when it has sufficient power and so as long as it is not sabotaged then there is hope for a better future for the planet, where there are no bullies and thugs controlling the lives of others.
Look as far as China is concerned, people have to understand these basic things.

1. China will not military intervene anywhere in any meaningful way until Taiwan is recovered. That's a core interest and it is a national priority. China is not going halfway across the world to fight for Gaza when it really has no reason to put itself in that den of snakes, let's be real.

2. China is not going to make a move on Taiwan until it achieves parity or surpasses the West on all the REAL LEVERS OF POWER, that is financial, military and technological. These are all the things that actual count the most. The rest is bullshit. You can be a Houthi and strike the empire, but then how many groups have acted like the Houthis in the past 200 years of Western domination and they are no more? China is gunning for the top and it is doing it with extreme determination and strategic patience, and it is actually shifting the balance of power at a dramatic pace, so why would it abruptly stop now?
 
So you can go paint Iran as some kind of lone warrior that fights against Israel all alone in some alternative universe.
if you want to say Yahya Sinwar, Abu Obeida, Khaled Mashaal, Ismail Haniyeh, etc, are all liars, you are welcome to do so. I didn't make any claims, just posted their direct quotes.

seems you don't like their quotes. let me repeat them for you:

Yahya Sinwar: “If not for Iran’s support for the resistance … we would not have obtained these capabilities. Our [Arab] nation has deserted us in our difficult moments, while Iran has supported us with weapons, equipment and expertise.”

Abu Obaidah: “We thank the Islamic Republic of Iran who provided us with weapons, money and other equipment! He gave us missiles to destroy Zionist fortresses and helped us with standard anti-tank missiles!”

Khaled Mashaal: "We thank Iran for all its material, political and Islamic support and the value of these support will never be hidden from God and Palestinian people"

Ismail Haniyeh: "and I can not but thank those who brought froth money and weaponry to the valiant resistance. The Islamic Republic of Iran; who did not hold back with money, weapons and technical support. Thanks."
 
If anything, the Mizrahi Jews are actually uniformly more extreme than the Ashkenazi Jews. Almost all of the Left Wing or dovish Israelis are made up of Western liberal Jews. While the Mizrahi Jews are all uniformly very fascist in their views of Arabs. I've seen them act and talk in more brain dead caveman like ways than the Ashkenazis to be honest.

Obviously when the Mizrahis co-existed and lived under Islam for over a thousand years, they were integrated with Islamic society. However after the establishment of Israel, there was a massive backlash and suspicion of the Mizrahis in Muslim countries and many were either kicked out or fled due to the circumstances. This made them very bitter against the countries they were kicked out from. In addition, when they arrived in Israel, they were thoroughly ingrained with Zionist ideology and due to their inferior social status as Mizrahis, many felt the strong psychological need to "prove themselves" or to "distance themselves from the Arabs", so they became even more hateful or anti-Arab than the White European Jews.

So don't be surprised at all when you see the most anti-Palestinian hate speech coming from an Arab looking face in Israel.

Knowing about these details about Palestinian society also allows me to see the limitations and in fact, the inaccuracies of the Palestinian liberation movement in the West in trying to paint a Western racial paradigm unto this conflict. The fact is, this is not a "White vs Brown" conflict. There are many Palestinians who can pass as White Europeans. There are many Israelis who look Arab or even African (Ethiopian and Yemeni Jews). Half the Israelis ARE NATIVE to the land. But it's the Zionist ideology that makes them fascist and merciless. But then again, nearly every country in the Middle East is filled with insane and crazy people so it's hard to say that the Israelis are the only ones.
When I visited Israel in 2005, it looked like downtown Los Angeles. a veritable melting pot of ethnicities. However, the people who were arguing about Maxwell's equations in the neighboring cubicles were all Russian speaking Israelis.
 
Main point of inflection are Kurds. They have become perpetual pawns of powers that be to sway their opinions and loyalty.

Zion uses careful language designed to sow discord. To choke and isolate the colonized. Describe them by their lowest common denominator to target. Muslim not Arab... hyphenated Arab and partisan Arab.

They had isolated non Arabs from a MUSLIM conflict... don't want to be surprised by another Saladin... less a Turk, Persian or even a Malaysian.

An attempt to create a Kurdish state is likely. Let's see from where unity and resolve arises this time around.
 
Modern-day Arab states, mostly due to incompetent regimes. As for asymmetrical groups, Arab assymetircal guerrilla forces have probably had the most success of any group post WW2. Don't forget the likes of the Algerian independence war that successfully defeated the French in the 1950's and early 1960's. At that time the French were one of the greatest military powers on earth. Many other examples.

Historically Arabs have created some of the largest and most infleuntial empires in human history. Bigger than any other non-European groups, outside of the short-lived Mongol Empire. Don't forget that Arabs, mostly Arab dynasties from modern-day KSA (but not only) ruled HUGE areas of Europe for (in the case of Spain, Portugal - Al-Andalus (almost 800 years), Cyprus, Malta, Crete, parts of Greece, Sicily, parts of Southern Italy etc.

So Arabs definitely can fight and are some of the bravest fighters around (just look at the Palestinians that the entire world can witness their bravery) but there has been little modern-day success conventionally but to be fair, it is not like many would have defeated the combined forces of the US/NATO/West (Iraq was attacked twice), Libya etc. The Arab-Israeli wars had their ups and downs too, mostly downs but this is also easily explained but would be a bit off-topic.

I agree in the past Arabs have achieved great feats. However since the industrial revolution there have been far more losses than gains with the exception of guerilla warfare victories.

I don't doubt their ability to fight I'm referring mostly to the state sanctioned military developments. For example no Arab nation has the ability to create its own (good) air defence system, navy ships, air planes, etc. Other Muslim countries like Turkey has a good drone program, ship building capability or Iran which has impressive offensive missile systems. NATO countries (and Israel) produce their own and therefore have a great advantage over Arab states because of this.
 
Heartbreaking to see what demonic Zionists hardliners (who would have thought that they could be worse than the likes of Sharon and the earlier demons) are currently committing of war crimes, genocide and anti-human behavior on our oppressed, brave and fighting Palestinian brethren.

To think that Jews, who lived under Arab rule for almost 2 millennia (!) from the times of Nabatea to various Arab Caliphates and to think that 2/3 of all Israeli Jews are Arab Jews in origin from Morocco to Yemen, could perpetrate and behave how they are doing is tragicomical.

Even though it was the Eastern European Jews (not the Jews of the region that later came to Israel) that perpetrated the Nabka but nevertheless, I cannot take it seriously or phantom when I see a IDF soldier that resembles an Arab from Yemen, Morocco, Egypt, Syria etc. kill their Palestinian cousins, when just 2-3 generations ago their parents, grandparents or great-grandparents were living among the very same Arabs largely in peace.

Sometimes I wonder, what the hell our ancestors thought when they (for instance the great Caliph Umar Ibn al-Khattab (ra)), after the Muslim Arab conquest of Al-Quds, welcomed back the Jews when the Romans were defeated.

I once had hope of the youth of Israel, in particular the Jews originally from the Arab world, would be different from the Eastern European implants and they would finally give Palestinians their rights, but I was wrong. Having never visited Israel or had any meaningful interactions with any Jews, maybe I was blinded by history. The current Jewish lot are clearly different from the lot that worked with our ancestors from Baghdad to Al-Andalus and even fought together against the crusaders.

Also it is shameful and painful to see the Arab inactivity (regimes - not average Arab people who are almost all pro-Palestine) considering the history of Arab dominance on Jews (just rule in comparison to the current Jewish oppression in Palestine).

However as I wrote earlier yesterday, this is due to Arab division. We are divided into 20 + countries and thus have 20 + regimes with 20 + agendas, rivalries, plans, competition and even dislike among each other. This enables outsiders that don't have the Arabs interests in mind to meddle. Having had many useless and incompetent regimes in recent times (post WW2) is not helping either.

The only solution is Arab unity. Palestine on its own cannot accomplish much. Personally I would love for there to be 1 large Arab federal state modeled on a EU/NATO model or 3-4 strong Arab regional blocs. I think that this will eventually occur and past mistakes (divisions) will be corrected. Otherwise the current mess will continue. Many Arabs don't get this simple thing, when we are divided, we suffer, when we are united, we can accomplish a lot of great things. Not just empty words, history and ground realities are my witness. But unfortunately the average Arab cannot do much nowadays, at least not until peace emerges in the likes of Libya (complete), Sudan, Yemen, Syria, Palestine and elsewhere and we get/elect leaders that represent our interests.

Also, even though it matters little in the grand scheme of things (given that Israel is on a permanent life-support of the US/WEST/NATO), recognizing Israel by any Arab country (Morocco, Sudan, Bahrain and UAE), even though the biggest fish in the neighborhood (Egypt) already did it 40 years ago, was and is wrong and sends the wrong signal. Clearly the "Abraham Accords" and all the good (in principle) talk of peace and cooperation, a Palestinian state, has not amounted to anything so far.

Also, albeit I support Hamas over the absolutely useless Fatah regime in the West Bank and the useless Mahmoud Abbas, looking at this in hindsight, the 7th October attack, had a far, far too high cost on the Palestinians in Gaza. I am afraid that it was a temporary pyrrhic victory. I think that Hamas was afraid that the Arab regimes that had not recognized Israel yet, would abandon Palestine, by signing the Abraham Accords, so they though that they had no other option and made a last-ditch attempt at gaining publicity for their cause. I don't blame them if this was the case and the thought process for the likes of Sinwar and others but I am not sure if it was a good idea. We won't ever know if the signing of the Abraham Accords by the biggest fish (KSA) would for instance have forced the Israelis to accelerate a two-state solution or if it would not have mattered, but for sure, now the hardliners in Israel have gone full-blown Nazi and I don't see what is stopping them from continuing their ethnic cleansing and God forbid, try to conquer more Arab land in Lebanon and Syria or even attempts in Jordan. Of course this is all not foreseeable for Israel as they cannot control the Palestinians fully, but with the demons ruling them now, everything is possible.

Shameful times for the Muslim and Arab world.

This might be an extreme solution but I think that Palestinians within Israel, Jordan, Palestine should come up with some clever non-violent (they have no chance militarily as of today) tactic that would force the world to reign Israel in and force them to establish a Palestinian state. Some kind of collective hunger strike, staying at home, human shield (as the ones people in the Baltics did before the USSR collapsed) or something along those lines. In other words don't give the Israelis any chance or ammunition to say that they were "attacked first" and if they react as savages as usual, the entire world will witness their behavior and no way any Western media would be able to spin it as self-defense or "Hamas out to genocide Jews" etc. nonsense.

Any crucial step (that only the 3.5 million American-Arabs can do on the ground at least) is to somehow to start dismantling the Jewish dominance in USA which would be a monumental task but if not at least attempted nothing will chance as well. Here they could ally with all the Americans in the US who are tired of Jewish disproportional dominance in the US.

Sinwar did nothing wrong. He resisted!
His name is etched into history forever! Along with a tyrant, thief, imposter and imitator Miliekowsky a true villain.

Sinwar made a last ditch stand against occupation and became an immortal. I know I saw history till his final act!

Chin up Gaza!
 
Nonsense. You think the conflict began yesterday? It started prior to 1948 and continued for decades when Iran was the biggest Israeli lapdog in the region and closest Israeli ally.

No, in reality the biggest funder of Hamas was Qatar. Iran only smuggled a few firecrackers into Gaza nothing else. Prior to 2011 (Arab Spring) KSA was the biggest supporter of militant Islamic Palestinian movements. Confirmed by the Israelis numerous times.

When PLO was the strongest armed Palestinian faction Arabs were its strongest supporters from Iraq, Egypt, Algeria, Tunisia to many others. Hosting all Palestinian leadership.

Just like Qatar hosts Hamas leaders to this day.

In any case the smuggling occurs/occurred by Arabs, through Arab lands. So my correct points remain the same.

Just like it is Arabs, and only Arabs, (like always since 1948) that have been fighting Israel. I have seen 0 Iranians fight inside Israel/Palestine or on the battlefront in Gaza.
I have given you the benefit of the doubt - anymore sectarian or personal attacks will result in a ban. Clearly you have a lot of anger management issues. If you can’t control your temper and personal attacks -
I will be left with no choice but to ban you
 
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