Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present

[ResurgentIran2]

Anyway the conflict, if we are to be brutally honest, was already lost with the establishment of Israel back in 1948. Since then it has been damage control with steadily declining fortunes for the Palestinians and more lands being annexed in the West Bank.

In fact it is a miracle that Palestinians are still present in the millions in Palestine/Israel (total overall majority even).

The only thing that Arabs and Muslims can really do is to at all costs prevent Palestinian expulsions to neighbouring Arab states which is the goal of the Zionists and the US/West.

So far the leaderships have done their job on this front.

As long as the US/West/NATO is this closely beholden/dominated to Israel/by Zionist interests, there is no military, financial or political solution.

The only hope is demographical change in the West, Zionist/Jewish influence in the West being weakened and Palestinians remaining steadfast and not losing the demographical battle in Palestine.

It is really this simple. No need to write essays here or create hilarious agendas or blame x or y or create agendas on top of the head of Palestinians. I don't think they like it or frankly care as long as status quo remains the same.

The demographic battle is not going to matter much, if Israel and the US enforces the ethnic cleansing/forced displacement plan.

 

[Falcon29]

International media won't publish any statements by any government body and institutions in Gaza

The government of Gaza, Hamas, has been publishing statement after statement regarding false Israeli allegations about the ceasefire process and the Israeli violations taking place.

Internationally run media refuses to publish that and want to keep their people misinformed so they can support Israel's resumption of the genocide.

 

[Falcon29]

Now is the time, to make Israel a pariah and start making deals with China, Turkey, other Arab and Muslim states for a new future

Turkey is not a replacement for the US. What can they provide ? They're bound by NATO as well. What could Iran provide ? Would Iran sell Arabs weapons ? If so, prove it to me.

China has no interest in securing strategic interests of Arabs. Arabs are gonna go through hard times that build strong men. After which we will see the light.

The conflict in Gaza exposed everybody, including Turkey, Muslim Brotherhood, and Iran axis. More importantly, it exposed Arab shortcomings and weaknesses that have to be addressed sooner or later.

Islam is the only solution for the region. People have to regain enthusiasm for Islam. As the alternative is divisions along tribal and ethnic and sectarian lines. Which is plunging the region into backwardness. You can't have idiots like Druze and Kurds thinking they can rip off a piece of a country whenever they feel like it with help of outsiders.

 

[_Arabia_]

The demographic battle is not going to matter much, if Israel and the US enforces the ethnic cleansing/forced displacement plan.

I do not disagree with that but it is not going to happen. Gazans are not going anywhere nor are the Palestinians in the West Bank nor the Palestinians/Arabs within Israel itself (20% of the population). That is my point. As long as Palestinians remain steadfast and refuse to leave their lands, even if those lands become "Israeli" by forced annexation, the Israeli Jews/Zionists have a problem.

What does it matter if they have de facto control of land x or y if they don't have the majority? For how long, even a totally beholden West/USA to Israel and their consistent crimes since 1948 (prior to that as well), can look the other way as Palestinians are being denied their rights and treated as second class citizens? For how long will Palestinians tolerate such behaviour before a much more staunch resistance than Hamas emerges?

What would happen to Israel if the Palestinians/Israeli Arabs boycotted Israel completely? Stopped attending work, stopped talking part in society etc. Israel would likely be at risk of a collapse. Certainly economic. If so, for how much longer will the US/West prop up Israel with billions each year?

Eventually locals will say enough is enough. Or so one would think.

 

[_Arabia_]

Turkey is not a replacement for the US. What can they provide ? They're bound by NATO as well. What could Iran provide ? Would Iran sell Arabs weapons ? If so, prove it to me.

China has no interest in securing strategic interests of Arabs. Arabs are gonna go through hard times that build strong men. After which we will see the light.

The conflict in Gaza exposed everybody, including Turkey, Muslim Brotherhood, and Iran axis. More importantly, it exposed Arab shortcomings and weaknesses that have to be addressed sooner or later.

Islam is the only solution for the region. People have to regain enthusiasm for Islam. As the alternative is divisions along tribal and ethnic and sectarian lines. Which is plunging the region into backwardness. You can't have idiots like Druze and Kurds thinking they can rip off a piece of a country whenever they feel like it with help of outsiders.

This user, while he has good intentions from what I have seen, is overly focused on Arabs as if the remaining Muslim world or world for that matter (Palestine is far, far more than just some Arab nationalist struggle - it really is about basic human decency, rights, everything that the West has adopted as their religion/ideology since WW2, Islamic solidarity, Al-Quds, Al-Aqsa, important land in Islamic history etc.) has no agency or if it is up to 20 + divided Arab nations, themselves struggling on many fronts with their own conflicts/instability/challenges, to somehow be able to solve the conflict and on top of that defeat Israel/USA/West militarily. It is not realistic and just part of the usual Arab-bashing with imaginary "Gulf Arabs" on the receiving end mostly.

I agree, I think changes are coming to the Arab world and the entire world as a whole for that matter. In this world of today such changes will occur even quicker than in the past. All I can say is that Arab demographics alone (800-1 billion people by 2050/60) will demand it. I predict that regional unification will occur in one form or another. Would solve a lot of challenges if you ask me. This is just personal opinion but for it to materialize Arabs need to demand their rights and improve overall leadership and representation. It would have to occur organically in state and society x or y and cannot be imposed by outsiders as this is doomed for failure. Learn through trial, error and hardship. Only way forward. Look at China in the past 200 years.

 

[ResurgentIran2]

I do not disagree with that but it is not going to happen. Gazans are not going anywhere nor are the Palestinians in the West Bank nor the Palestinians/Arabs within Israel itself (20% of the population). That is my point. As long as Palestinians remain steadfast and refuse to leave their lands, even if those lands become "Israeli" by forced annexation, the Israeli Jews/Zionists have a problem.

What does it matter if they have de facto control of land x or y if they don't have the majority? For how long, even a totally beholden West/USA to Israel and their consistent crimes since 1948 (prior to that as well), can look the other way as Palestinians are being denied their rights and treated as second class citizens? For how long will Palestinians tolerate such behaviour before a much more staunch resistance than Hamas emerges?

What would happen to Israel if the Palestinians/Israeli Arabs boycotted Israel completely? Stopped attending work, stopped talking part in society etc. Israel would likely be at risk of a collapse. Certainly economic. If so, for how much longer will the US/West prop up Israel with billions each year?

Eventually locals will say enough is enough. Or so one would think.

Two years ago, I would have agreed with you. But after what has transpired in the last 1,5 years, it is clear to me that Israel knows no bounds. The genocidal geenie has been let out of the bottle, and Israel is in full murderous fascist genocide mode.

I think one thing could potentially to stop it, and that is if ALL the Muslim countries of the entire West Asia and North Africa unites against this effort, in all means possible (including military). But we we all know that will never happen.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

The demographic battle is not going to matter much, if Israel and the US enforces the ethnic cleansing/forced displacement plan.

That is the goal!
Reward for hosting the most deplorable and despised crowd.

They want to inflict fate that they claim they endured on ones who hosted them...
A sadistic national fetish to steal and occupy... a daylight robbery.

So they spill the blood of the innocent. The real blooded semites killed and displaced for the pretenders!

 

[Falcon29]

May God curse the Jews and ruin them, and may we live to see revenge taken upon these Nazis

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[Snake]

Anyway the conflict, if we are to be brutally honest, was already lost with the establishment of Israel back in 1948.

This is why no Muslim should accept Arabian leadership - their willingness to surrender has such a low threshold. If it ended in 1948 how did Arafat come out with a credible deal with Rabin? If the conflict is over explain this map of countries that recognize Palestine
Gadaffi was probably the last good Arab leader all the tools like MbS and MbZ should follow someone else but they were put in place by zionists and zionist sympathizers. Honestly it's great that Arabs and Iranians are slowly but surely leaving the vacuum for true Muslim leadership to develop. They are no longer suitable to lead and should follow.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

May God curse the Jews and ruin them, and may we live to see revenge taken upon these Nazis

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This again is evidence of a race war. They want to annihilate ALL brown/olive-skinned Muslim people.

 

[_Arabia_]

Two years ago, I would have agreed with you. But after what has transpired in the last 1,5 years, it is clear to me that Israel knows no bounds. The genocidal geenie has been let out of the bottle, and Israel is in full murderous fascist genocide mode.

I think one thing could potentially to stop it, and that is if ALL the Muslim countries of the entire West Asia and North Africa unites against this effort, in all means possible (including military). But we we all know that will never happen.

I am not surprised by the bestiality of the Zionists themselves. This was always evident since the Nabka and even before that. What I have been shocked about to witness first hand is that a genocide/mass-murder of this scale, broadcasted to the entire world, so many Israeli lies being caught for all to see, there is a complete and utter silence from Western leadership, media, political organizations etc. No ban of Israel from any UEFA or FIFA football tournaments, from the Olympics, from international organizations, no respect for ICC judgements (who otherwise were always respected when it suited Western interests), double standard vis a vis Ukraine/Russia, all legitimate and reasonable criticism of Israel being labelled as "anti-Semitism", censorship laws in the West, INCREASED militarily, financial and political support to Israel from the same USA/West as if they deserve to be rewarded for their crimes. The pathetic scare-mongering tactic of Hamas being able to or willing to destroy Israel as a whole, fairytales of Israeli/Jewish existence being at risk and what not other nonsense.

I knew for a long time that the Jews/Zionists had infiltrated the US decades ago politically, financially, media wise, the military industrial complex, their absurd alliance with the evangelical community in the US etc. but not to this extent and even more surprised by the equally strong support from European leaders/EU etc.

I think that they themselves (Western leaders and people in power) realize that their blind support for Israel is eroding their propaganda since WW2 of equality, international rule based world order, self-determination etc.

In such an environment where their own rules have been thrown out it is difficult for Arabs and Muslims to do anything when already at a huge disadvantage in terms of military, economic and media power.

I honestly don't think that even if the entire region was on the same page and entire Muslim world, that this would change much on the ground given the US support for Israel. Would it help on some fronts? Probably. Would it alter the status quo? I don't think that at all.

Before Egypt normalized as part of the peace process with Israel after the 1973 war, they were the first Arab nation to normalize. Before that only Shah-ruled Iran and firmly Kemalist Turkey had open ties with Israel in the region. So even if Arabs adopted the same stance (as once before) it was never enough.

I honestly believe that the Moroccan and Emirati leadership (the ones that have had the most direct dealings with Israel and most "benefit" - at least on paper) have just thrown in the towel and said that nothing will change in the immediate future so we might just as well normalize and enjoy the benefits of doing that. I don't support it and I am personally critical of it but I can see why they did it.

Similar to how Kemalist Turkey normalized/recognized Israel fairly early (I think 70 + years ago) and similar to how Shah-ruled Iran enjoyed benefits of partnering with Israel. I think that nationalists (at least certain segments) in both countries would like that to continue or in the case of Iran, to return to pre-1979 levels. Which they probably have their reasons for believing so.

I think that it can all be summarized to "might is right" and the "world is a jungle".

This is why no Muslim should accept Arabian leadership - their willingness to surrender has such a low threshold. If it ended in 1948 how did Arafat come out with a credible deal with Rabin? If the conflict is over explain this map of countries that recognize PalestineView attachment 103789
Gadaffi was probably the last good Arab leader all the tools like MbS and MbZ should follow someone else but they were put in place by zionists and zionist sympathizers. Honestly it's great that Arabs and Iranians are slowly but surely leaving the vacuum for true Muslim leadership to develop. They are no longer suitable to lead and should follow.

Gaddafi a good leader? Stopped reading after that one.

You did not understand what I wrote. I wrote that the war/conflict began with the defeat of Palestinians in 1948 (read about the Nabka) that lead to the foundation of Israel. The overall conflict was already lost back then if the goal is to remove Israel and Jews altogether from the region. It has been damage control ever since.

Not sure how you can argue otherwise.

Not saying that the situation is irreversible but all the ills came to light at full speed in 1948. Rest are consequences of 1948.

There is no uniform Muslim leadership anywhere and likely won't be anytime soon. Arabs have no need to or any desire to rule any non-Arabs either. We have enough of land, resources, people etc. Not sure where this idea comes from. Each Muslim nation has enough on their own plate to fix first nor is imposed leadership ever going to work. Mutually beneficial cooperation should be the goal.

 

[Falcon29]

This again is evidence of a race war. They want to annihilate ALL brown/olive-skinned Muslim people.

Indeed, it is very disturbing. A race/religious war waged due to their insecurities about Islam and also attempted claim to the region. We've seen that with colonialism in the past. I believe Europe will distance itself from this while Jews try to resurrect colonialism/Nazi ideology.

The Jews seek to spread mischief and barbarism at all times. It's spoken about in the Holy Quran. They want to spread mischief amongst children of Adam. Christians and Muslims have to stand against their efforts. They may have tried triggering an all out war with their Gaza Holocaust and God may have foiled their efforts.

Sooner or later we'll have to face the elephant in the room and defend ourselves against this Nazi - Jewish onslaught.

Israel should be imploding and sanctioned. But the Jewish American community armed it to the teeth and enabled it, allowing it to wage a modern Holocaust without repercussions. The Jewish American is greatly endangering world peace. As they let the 'cat out the bag' , if you will. Jewish people have genocidal and Nazi like tendencies. Always have. They did it to Europeans which is why Europeans threw them into the middle east. They want Jews and Arabs occupied with each other as they don't want the Jewish evil back in their home turf.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Indeed, it is very disturbing. A race/religious war waged due to their insecurities about Islam and also attempted claim to the region. We've seen that with colonialism in the past. I believe Europe will distance itself from this while Jews try to resurrect colonialism/Nazi ideology.

The Jews seek to spread mischief and barbarism at all times. It's spoken about in the Holy Quran. They want to spread mischief amongst children of Adam. Christians and Muslims have to stand against their efforts. They may have tried triggering an all out war with their Gaza Holocaust and God may have foiled their efforts.

Sooner or later we'll have to face the elephant in the room and defend ourselves against this Nazi - Jewish onslaught.

Israel should be imploding and sanctioned. But the Jewish American community armed it to the teeth and enabled it, allowing it to wage a modern Holocaust without repercussions. The Jewish American is greatly endangering world peace. As they let the 'cat out the bag' , if you will. Jewish people have genocidal and Nazi like tendencies. Always have. They did it to Europeans which is why Europeans threw them into the middle east. They want Jews and Arabs occupied with each other as they don't want the Jewish evil back in their home turf.

In all honesty, they are the MOST evil and hideous people on the planet. They NEED to be stopped before they commit even more genocides and slaughter.

 

[Falcon29]

US , Jewish-run media will try persuading us that Jewish Israeli Nazis suddenly become evil over a span of minutes, and weren't actually evil this whole time

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[_Arabia_]

@Falcon29

How do you see the determination of Palestinians even in Palestinian lands annexed by Israel in the West Bank? Do you agree with me that such people do not wish to leave their land regardless of who claims to control it? People did not leave when the entire region was controlled by the UK either.

My impression is that Palestinians are attached to the land first and foremost. Has been the case since 1948, during the British Mandate and during the Ottomans (if we only focus on more recent history).

What is the end goal of the Zionists here when even the most radical among them know that the Palestinians and Israeli Arabs (20% of the population) are going nowhere?

It is not like they have succeeded to drive Palestinians out even in the annexed areas.

So is this the multilayered war on Palestinians that is intended to tire/eventually drive people out? It has not worked for 77 years so what should change in the future? This genocide did not change it either so what will if anything?

It is all a mystery to me.

In fact one can easily argue that the entire Zionist project back in 1948 and until 2025 has failed because the Palestinians are still the overall majority in the region. The goal, if you read Zionist literature from the period, was to make a Jewish homeland for Jews. The intention of the Nabka was to drive all Palestinians out of the region. Just like they want to do it today. So far with no success.

As dark as the situation is, the Zionists really don't have much of a solution long-term.