Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present

[Unknowntruth]

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[Indos]

You do not understand, and all you see is the 30,000. As @The SC mentioned, they would have died much slower over an extended period. You are insinuating that Israel will sit down and negotiate, and never in the past and never in the future will they sincerely.

To understand the mindset of the enemy. When Hamas released the prisoners, and Israel did as well, the Israelis went back to the West Bank and re-arrested everyone. How the **** you expect to deal with this sort of enemy?

The problem is you Indonesians haven't grown up to see an actual war that the Arabs and South Asians have gone through or live knowing any day we will be engaged in a regional conflict.

You think behaving like Gandhi in bedsheets and walking across the land will win freedom, which is another misconception; it was Germany starting WWII and the British weakening that allowed people to gain freedom; nothing is won without spilling blood.

Hamas revolt look like Indonesian ethnics revolt to Dutch. They do it alone. Even Chinese in Jakarta (Batavia is the name during that time) did revolt as well to Dutch and they (the men) are massacred by Dutch.

Admit it, it is not Hamas level to go against Israel. I support Hamas if they are just defending, but they often launching attack and made unnecessary offensive attack to Israel city that later cause huge Palestinian civilians lives since Israel doesnt hesitate to kill any civilians

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Palestinian is dealing with Monster

Now go and smite Amalek and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.’”

1 Samuel 15:3 - Bible Gateway

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[PakFactor]

Hamas revolt look like Indonesian ethnics revolt to Dutch. They do it alone. Even Chinese in Jakarta (Batavia is the name during that time) did revolt as well to Dutch and they (the men) are massacred by Dutch.

Admit it, it is not Hamas level to go against Israel. I support Hamas if they are just defending, but they often launching attack and made unnecessary offensive attack to Israel city that later cause huge Palestinian civilians lives since Israel doesnt hesitate to kill any civilians

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Palestinian is dealing with Monster

Now go and smite Amalek and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.’”

1 Samuel 15:3 - Bible Gateway

www.biblegateway.com

God gave that order regarding the Amalek... just saying.

 

[Indos]

God gave that order regarding the Amalek... just saying.

What ?

If you read Quran a lot, it is impossible it is God order. Justice and Rahmat is always the core of God religion from prophet Adam until prophet Muhammad.

The reason Islam came is because Judaism and Christianity are extorted by false things. It is already Jews behavior to replace God messages, whether Taurat (Old Testament) or Injil (New testament)

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BIBLE

Deuteronomy 4:2 “Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.”

Revelation 22:18 “For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.”

 

[Developereo]

The Palestinian need the support of the GCC now more than ever.

The GCC rulers may strut around as Lord Almighty in their brutal dictatorships but they know they command zero respect in the West.

The US State Department and Executive will go through the necessary diplomatic motions, but the Congress doesn't try hard to hide their contempt for these dictators. If the US Congress has to chose between Israel and these guys, they know better than to even ask.

 

[PakFactor]

What ?

If you read Quran a lot, it is impossible it is God order. Justice and Rahmat is always the core of God religion from prophet Adam until prophet Muhammad.

The reason Islam came is because Judaism and Christianity are extorted by false things. It is already Jews behavior to replace God messages, whether Taurat (Old Testament) or Injil (New testament)

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BIBLE

Deuteronomy 4:2 “Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.”

Revelation 22:18 “For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.”

Were not talking about the Quran, that's a separate matter. But if you want to know, Allah has ordered many a nations to be flattened into pancakes, or drowned. So it's not out of the realm of possibility Allah order the Amalek to be cleansed.

But you also have to look into history and him invoking those verses. Samuel left the King of Amalek alive, and it was his descendant Haman an official in the King of Persian court that ordered the killing of the Jews. Eventually, the Persian Kings wife who concealed her identity she was Jewish thwarted his plans and had the last descendant of Amalek and his sons hanged.

Lesson to be learned:

You finish the Job. May this be a lesson for Muslims going forward. However, I feel it's useless to give advice not like Muslims will rise to power again, so it's worthless advice to give them.

Second, you learn from the Persian Kings wife how to infiltrate all the way to the top and turn the levers of power, it's a quality the Jewish people have till this day.

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[Indos]

Were not talking about the Quran, that's a separate matter. But if you want to know, Allah has ordered many a nations to be flattened into pancakes, or drowned. So it's not out of the realm of possibility Allah order the Amalek to be cleansed.

Duh, God message is always the same. The red line is the same. If you want to know real justice from God, basically you can ask your own heart whether it is right or not since man and woman ruh comes from God ruh.

Flattening some part of the earth is something else as it is done by God directly through earthquake and others as God is always the One that take any human lives.

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OK, leave this debate. But this is what Jews is educated since early age. So with this kind of mentality, Israel revenge will be very mean and we can see this behavior for decades where South Lebanon destruction is another example.

Now, with stupid Hamas already know this Israel behavior with its indicriminate bombing while Hamas dont have anti aircraft capability and much much weaker than Israeli, they still do this 7 October stupid attack

 

[Mobius]

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[PakFactor]

Duh, God message is always the same. The red line is the same. If you want to know real justice from God, basically you can ask your own heart whether it is right or not since man and woman ruh comes from God ruh.

Flattening some part of the earth is something else as it is done by God directly through earthquake and others as God is always the One that take any human lives.

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OK, leave this debate. But this is what Jews is educated since early age. So with this kind of mentality, Israel revenge will be very mean and we can see this behavior for decades where South Lebanon destruction is another example.

Now, with stupid Hamas already know this Israel behavior with its indicriminate bombing while Hamas dont have anti aircraft capability and much much weaker than Israeli, they still do this 7 October stupid attack

I added some more context before your post.

However, Muslims could do well to learn from the Jewish people on how to be versatile and deadly, and not pussies like the TikTok Jordanian King and others with Israeli permission.

 

[Indos]

I added some more context before your post.

However, Muslims could do well to learn from the Jewish people on how to be versatile and deadly, and not pussies like the Jordan King and others with Israeli permission.

Nah men, Muslim has rule in war. We are not Israeli, every thing should be inline with what is in Quran and Hadiths teach us. Killing innocent people have huge sins and will make us become Satan.

 

[Skukuza]

as a South African surely you have more morals and ethics than that?

Hamas did not attack on 7th October

it was a natural reaction to the decades of occupation

Jews also broke out during the Warsaw uprising and killed many Germans

Hamas is a ideology born out of the humiliation and occupation of Palestine

it CANNOT BE DEFEATED

God is with Palestine how else could they have achieved what they have without God helps

As a South African who lived under apartheid, I can assure you that if Hamas leadership voluntarily leaves Palestine it will deflate the morale of the already tortured people. I speak of 7 October as being the catalyst which the Zionist uses to commit savage genocide against the Palestinians. I am familiar with the history of Hamas and you get no arguments there. Right now the Palestinians require a capable resistance which gives them hope and a world which removes the blindfolds to their suffering. As an atheist I have little faith in God or religion. I only have faith in people who stand their ground and refuse to retreat

 

[UKBengali]

As a South African who lived under apartheid, I can assure you that if Hamas leadership voluntarily leaves Palestine it will deflate the morale of the already tortured people. I speak of 7 October as being the catalyst which the Zionist uses to commit savage genocide against the Palestinians. I am familiar with the history of Hamas and you get no arguments there. Right now the Palestinians require a capable resistance which gives them hope and a world which removes the blindfolds to their suffering. As an atheist I have little faith in God or religion. I only have faith in people who stand their ground and refuse to retreat

Thank you again S Africa for what you did at the ICJ, even though you are suffering economically for doing what is the right and humanitarian thing.

 

[Raiden]

However, Muslims could do well to learn from the Jewish people on how to be versatile and deadly, and not

, I feel it's useless to give advice not like Muslims will rise to power again, so it's worthless advice to give them.​

We need not need to learn from the Jews, when we have the most perfect of examples. How come you set your standard to such a low level ?

One of the most prominent things I observe from Muslims in this Gaza war is just the utter hopelessness that comes out from their minds. As if their situation will stay that way forever and there's no other option but to surrender to fate

If early Muslims had this kind of mentality then the religion of Islam would spread far and wide. If Gaza is starved, so does our prophet during the siege of Medina. In fact such was the siege that our prophet had to tie a rock in his belly. It is during this time in Medina, in a small mud town, besieged on all sides by infidel Arabs and treacherous Jews that the prophet made 4 grand promises:

1. The opening of the Levant
2. The opening of Egypt
3. The opening of Persia
4. The opening of Constantinople, the seat of the mighty Roman empire.

If the Sahaba has that 21st-century Muslim mentality they would have laughed to such grand promise while being besieged and starved in tiny mud town Medina.

The first 3 were completed just a mere 2 years after his death, while the fourth would wait for another 8 centuries.

What makes you think that Israel will stay that way forever? What makes you think that the West where Israel sourced its power will stay dominant in the next centuries? Already the West has shown the kind of symptoms that past empires showed just right before they collapsed. Just 50 years ago, the idea that the Soviet Union would be gone would have been laughable, where is the Soviet Union now?

What makes you think that America will stay a superpower for the next 20,50,100 years ? What makes you think that in the next 50 or so years there will be no Muslim country that comes up as an advanced industrial society or even becoming a nuclear state? What are the chances that in these Muslim lands covering from Morocco to the Philippines, there will be a competent Islamic leader, unlike Bin Salman, Bin Zayed, or whomever is in power in Islamic countries r8 now?

How can we be such a defeatist when Rome has not yet been conquered, even though the prophet has said that indeed Rome will be under our foot? That is just a small glimpse of hope, surely when you talk about Rome, a conquest couldn't have been done with the state of the Muslims finds themselves now. So there's a hint that Islam would eventually rebound, just like many civilizations has rebounded before

Thauban reported that Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said:

Allah drew the ends of the world near one another for my sake. And I have seen its eastern and western ends. And the dominion of my Ummah would reach those ends

 

[Indos]

If early Muslims had this kind of mentality then the religion of Islam would spread far and wide. If Gaza is starved, so does our prophet during the siege of Medina. In fact such was the siege that our prophet had to tie a rock in his belly. It is during this time in Medina, in a small mud town, besieged on all sides by infidel Arabs and treacherous Jews that the prophet made 4 grand promises:

1. The opening of the Levant
2. The opening of Egypt
3. The opening of Persia
4. The opening of Constantinople, the seat of the mighty Roman empire.

How can we be such a defeatist when Rome has not yet been conquered, even though the prophet has said that indeed Rome will be under our foot? That is just a small glimpse of hope, surely when you talk about Rome, a conquest couldn't have been done with the state of the Muslims finds themselves now. So there's a hint that Islam would eventually rebound, just like many civilizations has rebounded before

Thauban reported that Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said:

Allah drew the ends of the world near one another for my sake. And I have seen its eastern and western ends. And the dominion of my Ummah would reach those ends

The Rome that prophet talking is Constantinopel in Turkey, it is already under Muslim hand.

During prophet time, Muslim dealing with Persian and Eastern Rome (Constantinopel).

 

[Raiden]

The Rome that prophet talking is Constantinopel in Turkey, it is already under Muslim hand.

During prophet time, Muslim dealing with Persian and Eastern Rome (Constantinopel).

Nope

At one time one of us asked the Prophet, 'Oh Messenger of Allah! Which will be the first to be conquered: Constantinople or Rome? ' He replied: 'Heraclius' city, Constantinople, will be conquered.

https://istanbultarihi.ist/423-the-conquest-hadith-and-the-muslim-sieges-of-constantinople#:~:text=At%20one%20time%20one%20of,%2C%20Constantinople%2C%20will%20be%20conquered.