Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present
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Raiden
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In regards to Muslim/Arab leaders, my advice is, stop putting that much attention to them, they're not players, rather NPCs. They're irrelevant.
What we're seeing occuring right in the Middle East has bigger impact and consequences than the cheap statements muslim 'leaders' come up with everytime there's a war in Gaza.
Raiden
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They know they could rely on the U.S when shit hits the fan. But rarely do they think how long will the U.S be there.
In fact, seeing Israeli attitude on things, you got the impression that their leadership seriously believe that the U.S will stay superpower until the end times.
Too bad for them, reality sometimes hits you without warning
Meengla
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You are a very good addition to PDF!
I think there are two clocks working in Palestine: One is the Israeli Clock and another is the Palestinian Clock. The Israeli Clock has been working overtime by building Settlements while the Palestinian Clock is working to resist the Settlements. Israelis are counting on the American support at least through a phase where there will be so many more million Jews in the West Bank that any talk of Two Nations will be totally dead--and it probably already is. But even the prospects of a Binational Palestine-Israel will be non-starter.
The Gazan Resistance is well aware of the two Clocks. Gazans are actually fighting for the West Bank! Despite the widespread views like 'Open Air Prison', I don't think Gazans had it that bad despite the Israeli restrictions/blockade etc. I actually believe Israelis would have been content to let Gaza be and even let it thrive. But Gazans are fighting for the West Bank and the historic Palestine and the Muslim Holy Sites in Jerusalem.
War Lord
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He is lol
I have been following his debates on this and the other thread, both times against that Antonious guy, the anti-Hamas Indonesian.
These are the kinds of Indonesians we need on PDF.
Meengla
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Actually, by the American political standards, this Indian Congresswoman is quite sensible. Broadly speaking, unless they are strong Modi followers, Indian politicians are more balanced in America: Ro Khanna, Ms. Jayapal, Mr. Ramaswami.
Raiden
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You know, the Israelis, what they are doing now could only be rivaled in stupidity by the Athenians, when they declare war on the sole superpower of the ancient world, Macedonia. Basically what you're seeing with the likes of Netanyahu, Ben Gvir, Smotrich is a repeat of what Athens politicians were displaying back then before it collapsed into nothingness.
See, in the years preceding the rise of Alexander's Macedonia rise to power, Athenian politicians would prop up their popularity by increasingly relying on outrageous action and rhetorics building up without consequence in the Athenian senate until a certain point where those delusional (and dangerous) rhetorics turned into actual acts of war from tiny (but over-confident) Athens against Alexander's mighty Macedonia.
When Alexander the Great died in 323 BC, the mad house which is the Athenian senate decided that they should go to war with Macedonia and settle old scores. Phocion...
Phocion - Wikipedia
the sole politician who got the brains to foresight the impending disaster, noted that while Alexander's dead, his army pretty much intact tried to stop the jingoistic Athenian senate from actually declaring war against Macedonia, in vain.
So the Athenians go to war with the sole superpower of the ancient world with predicatble result. Athens would not only lose its war, but it also lose its democracy and its identity, never to recover.
Now, Athens needed a few centuries to transform their assembly from a forum for sound gentlemen into a madhouse where rhetorics rules. Israel only needs 70 years to transform their political landscape from the likes of Golda Meir to the trio Netanyahu, Ben Gvir and Smotrich (and the rest of his right wing extremists) where they openly provoke not only the Arabs, but the entire Muslims
Like I said, when you look at these Israeli politicians, it is as if they're detached from reality like those Athnens politicians. The reality is the U.S., like all empires will recede. In the good times where the U.S is strong, Israel is safe, but that begs the question, what will be of Israel once America retreats?
In this area alone...
There will be more Arabs/Muslims than the Chinese in China at the end of this century (2100). Estimated to be 900-1.1 billion people, while China's population will be halved to 700 million during the same period.
So what is certain, is the Arabs that racist Israeli's so despised is there to stay and grow. What is not certain is, whether will America still be a superpower in the year 2100 ?
I'll give you an analogy. A young man in his 20s who lived in Edwardian era Britain (1900s-1910) and witnessed the launch of the Titanic (the largest man-made moving object at the time) and witnessed the peak of the British Empire, would be so heavily disappointed in his later years knowing that the Britain that he saw in his youth will be nowhere as great starting from the 1950s. While he witnessed the launch of the Titanic in his 20s, he would be disappointed to know that it would be the Russians, not the Brits who would launch the first satellite and man into space when he entered his 60s.
So there's no guarantee that America will stay 'great' even at this century, let alone the next.
And for a country that lives on life support from abroad, what Ben Gvir, Smotrich and Netanyahu is currently doing will prove FATAL for the Israelis. So enjoy it while they can, because as they say, good times never last.
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