Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present

[Persian Gulf]

Hezbollah strikes Israeli "Namer" APC using Iranian Almas ATGM

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Almas is a game changer for Hezbollah and allows them to strike targets beyond visual range, and change/select the target during the missile's flight as the operator reviews the target site in real time

 

[Dalit]

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This isn't Zionism. This is a Hindutva.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

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Wall Street Journal: Qatar threatens to deport Hamas officials if they do not convince the leadership in Gaza to approve the deal.

 

[Get Ya Wig Split]

So what are Nazis going to bomb now, there is nothing left except for the murder of more women and children who are not party to the conflict?

Not true at all:

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Israel is on the verge of victory, another quarter of Hamas fighters are in Gaza and then it will be over. Once they take out the Hamas leaders there the fighting in Gaza will come to an end. Then the focus shifts to Lebanon where they'll have to deal with Hezbollah. Luckily, Israel will have its full air force at the ready, making it a lot easier to take down Hezbollah.

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[Get Ya Wig Split]

these are huge concessions and unfortunately indicate the dire predicament and desperation of Hamas

Huge concessions how???

So let me get this straight, the leader of Hamas is offering hostages in exchange for Israel to do at least 5 things? By what logic is that a reasonable condition? Especially now when Israel is on the verge of victory? All the Hamas leader has offered are hostages? That's just one thing! Israel could instead release 135 people currently in Israeli prison. That would be a fair deal.

But what about the other things? Israel to pull out? How's that gonna work if Hamas is still chilling in Gaza? To end the war, even though Hamas is still hanging around? These conditions are just plain ridiculous, don't you think?

The Hamas leader has lost touch with reality. Clearly, he doesn't understand that he's not in a position to dictate terms. I'm in favor of a temporary ceasefire to exchange hostages and allow humanitarian aid to flow into Gaza in large quantities.

The war shouldn't end until the entire Hamas is eliminated! Apparently, the Hamas leader doesn't quite grasp what's going on and that Hamas's days are numbered. Why would Israel now that it's on the brink of victory, agree to such conditions? Makes no sense...

 

[Meengla]

these are huge concessions and unfortunately indicate the dire predicament and desperation of Hamas

Me, speaking as the Devil's Advocate, Israel is rightly refusing those 'concessions'. Why so? Because Hamas by merely surviving in Gaza enough to do a military Victory Parade and with Hamas' declared intentions to re-launch another October 7 like attack, Israel simply can't accept the terms of a 'permanent ceasefire', withdrawal from Gaza. That would be an assured Gazans' victory and absolutely a strategic defeat of Israel! And that defeat would mean the Israeli deterrence further eroded and more exodus of Jews from Israel.

On the other hand, Gazans can't afford to handover all the hostages without a long-term/permanent ceasefire as they know what would follow after that: Whatever little leverage the Gazans have will be gone.

Having said this, the Gazans can still secure a victory of some kind if they get supplied enough weaponry and food. Time is on the side of the Gazans and time is not on Israeli side. Remember the famous Taliban saying: You [Americans] have the watch, but we have the time! Such is the nature of asymmetric warfare and wars of attrition.

 

[Get Ya Wig Split]

Me, speaking as the Devil's Advocate, Israel is rightly refusing those 'concessions'. Why so? Because Hamas by merely surviving in Gaza enough to do a military Victory Parade and with Hamas' declared intentions to re-launch another October 7 like attack, Israel simply can't accept the terms of a 'permanent ceasefire', withdrawal from Gaza. That would be an assured Gazans' victory and absolutely a strategic defeat of Israel! And that defeat would mean the Israeli deterrence further eroded and more exodus of Jews from Israel.

On the other hand, Gazans can't afford to handover all the hostages without a long-term/permanent ceasefire as they know what would follow after that: Whatever little leverage the Gazans have will be gone.

Having said this, the Gazans can still secure a victory of some kind if they get supplied enough weaponry and food. Time is on the side of the Gazans and time is not on Israeli side. Remember the famous Taliban saying: You [Americans] have the watch, but we have the time! Such is the nature of asymmetric warfare and wars of attrition.

The delivery of weapons to Gaza will only increase the suffering of the people. That would be a lousy fix and things wouldn't improve anytime soon.

 

[Indos]

Huge concessions how???

So let me get this straight, the leader of Hamas is offering hostages in exchange for Israel to do at least 5 things? By what logic is that a reasonable condition? Especially now when Israel is on the verge of victory? All the Hamas leader has offered are hostages? That's just one thing! Israel could instead release 135 people currently in Israeli prison. That would be a fair deal.

But what about the other things? Israel to pull out? How's that gonna work if Hamas is still chilling in Gaza? To end the war, even though Hamas is still hanging around? These conditions are just plain ridiculous, don't you think?

The Hamas leader has lost touch with reality. Clearly, he doesn't understand that he's not in a position to dictate terms. I'm in favor of a temporary ceasefire to exchange hostages and allow humanitarian aid to flow into Gaza in large quantities.

The war shouldn't end until the entire Hamas is eliminated! Apparently, the Hamas leader doesn't quite grasp what's going on and that Hamas's days are numbered. Why would Israel now that it's on the brink of victory, agree to such conditions? Makes no sense...

You cannot eliminate Hamas, this is just Israeli hard line excuse to enable them reach their target to kick out Palestine out from Gaza or kill as many Palestinian they could by benefiting from Idiot Hamas 7 october attack

Even USA cannot eliminate Taliban when they rulled in Afghanistan for more than a decade.

I believe Hamas has understood how stupid and idiot their strategy is that is set up by Ahmed Yasin. They will surely change their tactic and have understood it is Fatah and PLO strategy that should be followed by Palestinian resistence

 

[Meengla]

The delivery of weapons to Gaza will only increase the suffering of the people. That would be a lousy fix and things wouldn't improve anytime soon.

On the contrary, more weapons and more powerful weapons along with food into Gaza would increase the Israeli the Israeli misery and that's why Israelis are so gung-ho about the Rafah Border Crossing Control to the point of challenging Egypt.

You cannot eliminate Hamas, this is just Israeli hard line excuse to enable them reach their target to kick out Palestine out from Gaza or kill as many Palestinian they could by benefiting from Idiot Hamas 7 october attack

Even USA cannot eliminate Taliban when they rulled in Afghanistan for more than a decade.

I believe Hamas has understood how stupid and idiot their strategy is that is set up by Ahmed Yasin. They will surely change their tactic and have understood it is Fatah and PLO strategy that should be followed by Palestinian resistence

Sadly, the resistance in Gaza could be defeated if Israel, backed by the Americans, are willing to take the losses. Afghanistan was an entirely different situation: A large country and with supplies of weapons/fighters from the long permeable with Pakistan made it possible. The Gazans have the time if they can get supplies. Whatever little they get in food/weapons/fighters is probably too little to sustain. It is just arithmetic in the end!

As to your joke about PLO/Fatah: Will you ever pay attention to this thread or just keep repeating your non-sense??

 

[Get Ya Wig Split]

You cannot eliminate Hamas, this is just Israeli hard line excuse to enable them reach their target to kick out Palestine out from Gaza or kill as many Palestinian they could by benefiting from Idiot Hamas 7 october attack

Even USA cannot eliminate Taliban when they rulled in Afghanistan for more than a decade.

I believe Hamas has understood how stupid and idiot their strategy is that is set up by Ahmed Yasin. They will surely change their tactic and have understood it is Fatah and PLO strategy that should be followed by Palestinian resistence

I don't agree with you. ISIS was eliminated and removed and it was much larger than Hamas.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Huge concessions how???

unilateral return of all Zionist prisoners not demanding return of Palestinian prisoners

conceding rule of Gaza despite being elected government in 2006

quite basic

 

[Indos]

As to your joke about PLO/Fatah: Will you ever pay attention to this thread or just keep repeating your non-sense??

I get the sense for this so many Pakistani blatant support to Hamas in this thread is likely Pakistani Shiah community that support Iranian regime policy with armed resistence in Palestinians despite it has been proven by clear eyes that this policy is just destroying Palestinian and inline/support hardline Israeli objective.

 

[Persian Gulf]

I get the sense for this so many Pakistani blatant support to Hamas in this thread is likely Pakistani Shiah community that support Iranian regime policy with armed resistence in Palestinians despite it has been proven by clear eyes that this policy is just destroying Palestinian and inline/support hardline Israeli objective.

why do you draw sectarian lines to rationalise support for Palestinian resistance when this resistance is comprised virtually exclusively of Sunni Muslim Palestinians?

 

[Meengla]

I get the sense for this so many Pakistani blatant support to Hamas in this thread is likely Pakistani Shiah community that support Iranian regime policy with armed resistence in Palestinians despite it has been proven by clear eyes that this policy is just destroying Palestinian and inline/support hardline Israeli objective.

I am no Shia; born and raised a Sunni but I don't pay attention to such things.
But you still post non-sense. You can't see that the Palestinian 'President' can't even leave Ramallah without Israeli permissions and you want THAT as the path forward for Palestinians??

 

[Indos]

I don't agree with you. ISIS was eliminated and removed and it was much larger than Hamas.

ISIS is still there in Syria but has just been very weaken. ISIS is even still there in Indonesia despite our effort to eliminate them. The ISIS and AQ get more weaken due to successful Indonesia/Turkey democracy and transforming economy/technology where it has shown that Muslim world still has hope with Muslim states. This is the one that really kill their ideology. Taliban transformed organization (not as harsh like in the old days) and Taliban winning in Afganistan will also weaken this stupid ISIS/AQ ideologies.

They comes from authoritarian Middle East region where they sell something like Muslim states will fail and this is why you need to support us. They are also anti democracy and think their own Mullah that should lead Muslim world with authoritarian style.