Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present

[Randaam Janmam]

I dont have time to go through every single post - if you report them - i deal with them as soon as i see them.

Fair enough.

Do note though that the completely off topic post about the Delhi police was written by none other than a moderator. If I report the post, who deals with it? The mod himself? You can understand my hesitation in reporting a mod's posts.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

It is going to be the AIPAC $ vs the pro Palestinian electoral alliances. I think AIPAC has pledged $100 million just to unseat the four in the US Congress' Progressive Squad in the November 2024 elections. The Squad can beat AIPAC if they organize well!

Then what country is a 'democracy'? I bet if you ask most people of the world, with the exception of just a few countries in the Scandinavia and a few here and there, most people curse their govts and call all political parties corrupt and what not but they too, like the Americans, continue to vote because of lack of options, which, reading your post, are intentionally denied to them by the entrenched groups.


And it was also in the 'fundamental' nature of the American politics and society to have the Segregation. It changed, didn't it? The Israeli total control over the American policy is only since after the 1967 War--something which Mearsheimer/Walt brought to the world's attention, but Segregation was entrenched and existed for far longer than that.

So, to repeat: Electoral politics can change American foreign policy. In that regard, the Palestinians have powerful allies in America and I believe they are already starting to make a difference. I don't think the Schumer speech--very damaging to him and the Democrats--was made without factoring in the electoral changes in America. And the game has just begun!

So, money only goes that far... comparing fundamental nature of state to segregation is not the same... in fact, to the state, the machine, all tax payers are genderless, colorless, faithless tax payers. The intended scope of their individual endeavor!

However, the political circus in US is systematic... it isn't without reason you see the option of two candidates to be the future President of the United States! It is a process, honed and established... its core is campaign contributions or personal wealth to be considered and be on the ballot for consideration. AIPAC is part of that process, it demands a pledge... a supranational allegiance!

It will start a whole new debate... my first line though... you can present the chosen few to be voted on... and as seen in Michigan, a vast number can remain undecided. Money doesn't buy vote, it buys privilege to be ON the ballot, disseminate information or disinformation and by that control popular opinion, push wedge issues and talking points... divisive enough to rattle just enough to come out and vote for the chosen few, on the right side of their cause. And then, it just fizzles out... making way for the next.

So yes it is by design then that the ones invested in the system protest or feel cheated only to be roped in further... a never ending cycle. A good movie is the one that grips your emotions and sense of time!

It is certainly a good one!

 

[Randaam Janmam]

No,no no.. you should look for the videos before that showing Indian soldiers fighting in Gaza on behalf and with IDF..You are pat of it.

This is BS. There are no Indian soldiers fighting in Gaza on behalf of the IDF.

 

[Developereo]

It is going to be the AIPAC $ vs the pro Palestinian electoral alliances. I think AIPAC has pledged $100 million just to unseat the four in the US Congress' Progressive Squad in the November 2024 elections. The Squad can beat AIPAC if they organize well!

AIPAC is just one arm of the Zionist lobby.

You have Hollywood, you have the big media conglomerates, you have academia, you have Wall Street, you have a thousand other financial hooks, you have the Southern Baptists, Evangelicals and other religious organizations. It goes on and on and on...

P.S. And remember, the pro-Palestine voter base is young people who are notoriously absent at the voting booth. By contrast, the pro-Israeli faction is older people, including retirees, who are notoriously active at the voting booth.

 

[Randaam Janmam]

mine in particular where you see an Indian soldier or policeman in New Delhi kicking Muslims during prayer..what's the difference with what goes on daily with the Palestinians..

The difference is that the policeman was doing his duty of removing people blocking a public road. Every Indian has a right to pray, but not by blocking public roads. No, a policeman maintaining law and order is not what is happening in Palestine. And no, this has nothing to do with the topic of this thread.

 

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[Unknowntruth]

That post of mine was not directed at you. I was merely asking the admin, who warned me about off topic posts, whether posts like those were on topic. Or the post about an Indian policeman removing people blocking a public road.

"Fascists" is quite a flexible term these days. It has now come to mean "anyone I don't like". Narendra Modi was elected by the will of the people, and is an extremely popular PM in India.

Hitler was popular too

 

[Meengla]

Money doesn't buy vote, it buys privilege to be ON the ballot, disseminate information or disinformation and by that control popular opinion, push wedge issues and talking points... divisive enough to rattle just enough to come out and vote for the chosen few, on the right side of their cause. And then, it just fizzles out... making way for the next.

I am aware of the ballot part. But $$ does buy votes: AIPAC managed to defeat relatively secure candidates by pouring in tons of money--so, yes, $$ was the differentiating factor! But it is not guaranteed to work all the time against determined electoral alliances. But over all you were correct in your post: The 'system' is designed to ensure an 'oligarchy' and as I see it, the Israeli control is even more entrenched after Bush senior tenure--which coincided with the Fall of Soviet Union and mass migration of Jews into Palestine. But to deny that there is a growing counter narrative against Israel wouldn't be fair.

AIPAC is just one arm of the Zionist lobby.
You have Hollywood, you have the big media conglomerates, you have academia, you have Wall Street, you have a thousand other financial hooks, you have the Southern Baptists, Evangelicals and other religious organizations. It goes on and on and on...

Correct. I personally have several WASP Evangelicals Rapture Seekers in my circle and I try not to engage with them about the Middle East. They are repulsive when it comes to that topic but otherwise they are fine.

P.S. And remember, the pro-Palestine voter base is young people who are notoriously absent at the voting booth. By contrast, the pro-Israeli faction is older people, including retirees, who are notoriously active at the voting booth.

I don't know. I thought the 'coalition' which brought Biden to power in 2020 had lots of young people and the same Progressives/Unions/Visible Minorities/Muslims/Arabs who are now significantly alienated from Biden. They shouldn't vote for either Trump or Biden but they SHOULD vote for Congressmen/Senators and local bodies candidates who are pro Palestinians; even in some American City govts such voices are now being heard.

 

[Randaam Janmam]

Hitler was popular too

But Hitler was a dictator - he abolished elections and made himself ruler for life. Modi has to face free and fair elections ever five years.

Are you familiar with Godwin's law? Your post is a perfect example of that:

Godwin's law

 

[UKBengali]

What you are saying sounds possible but a little far fetched.
Firstly, no American govt can pressure Israel too much, too openly without paying huge backlash from the unholy alliances which exists in America. So applying direct pressure to deliver aid via Israel will be a hard sell. But supplying via a Gaza port is legal, like the Turkish Flotilla tried about a decade ago. The Gaza port provides an internationally recognized route: Gaza is sovereign territory, Israel's blockage notwithstanding. Officially Americans even call the West Bank as 'occupied'. Those are legal positions held by the US govt and could be used as 'cover' in UNSC Resolutions.
Secondly, I don't see how, after feeding 1.5 to 2.2 million via the Gaza port, there would be a mass exodus of Gazans? Will there be large cruise ships taking the Gazans to prosperous countries? Who would accept them? Poor countries like Ghana might do if offered $$ but will the Palestinians leave in large numbers?
Thirdly, if there is a large concentration of Palestinians around the port for food, with American soldiers--up to 1000 of them nearby--I don't see Israel carpet bombing on the tents there. With American troops there, there will be even more spotlight on the conflict--something Israel is trying to avoid and any American casualties will cause more pressure on the US Govt to act in decisive way.

Having said all that, it is hard to say what's happening with the port. But I tend to think it is a welcome step and I wish it happens FAST! Palestinians need to eat to survive and fight another day.

You forget that the terrorist entity will have inspectors in Cyprus to clear every single item that gets in via this port.

This is not an attempt to bypass Zionist obstruction but something far more sinister as already alluded by multiple posters here.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

I am aware of the ballot part. But $$ does buy votes: AIPAC managed to defeat relatively secure candidates by pouring in tons of money--so, yes, $$ was the differentiating factor! But it is not guaranteed to work all the time against determined electoral alliances. But over all you were correct in your post: The 'system' is designed to ensure an 'oligarchy' and as I see it, the Israeli control is even more entrenched after Bush senior tenure--which coincided with the Fall of Soviet Union and mass migration of Jews into Palestine. But to deny that there is a growing counter narrative against Israel wouldn't be fair.

Correct. I personally have several WASP Evangelicals Rapture Seekers in my circle and I try not to engage with them about the Middle East. They are repulsive when it comes to that topic but otherwise they are fine.


I don't know. I thought the 'coalition' which brought Biden to power in 2020 had lots of young people and the same Progressives/Unions/Visible Minorities/Muslims/Arabs who are now significantly alienated from Biden. They shouldn't vote for either Trump or Biden but they SHOULD vote for Congressmen/Senators and local bodies candidates who are pro Palestinians; even in some American City govts such voices are now being heard.

"I don't care who does the electing, as long as I get to do the nominating."
Boss Tweed

Again missing the forest for the trees. What you're implying by extension is an alliance of intersectionality. Where divergent groups split in niches of convenience converging on the keystone or bedrock of the entire system.
To give you an idea Tweedism is much older than both Bush's... Gilded age and the robber barons!
It has simply transcended and coalesced for a cause for a point in time worked overtime by those who understand the system to shepherd and harness it for their benefit!

Palestine and the region in large is the unfortunate victim of this machine.

 

[Unknowntruth]

But Hitler was a dictator - he abolished elections and made himself ruler for life. Modi has to face free and fair elections ever five years.

Are you familiar with Godwin's law? Your post is a perfect example of that:

Godwin's law

I’m just telling you just because someone is popular means nothing. Netanyahu is another elected official and he is committing genocide, so?

The modi government is a racist right wing nationalist government.

 

[Meengla]

You forget that the terrorist entity will have inspectors in Cyprus to clear every single item that gets in via this port.
This is not an attempt to bypass Zionist obstruction but something far more sinister as already alluded by multiple posters here.

Gazans are literally starving. They should get every morsel, inspected or not.

Weapons are almost certainly being supplied from Egypt even now and thus the Rafah/Philadelphia Corridor is the major focus now while goading the Palestinians to the port for food. That's how I see the situation. And I still don't see anything too sinister about the port. Maybe I wrong. Maybe not.

 

[Meengla]

"I don't care who does the electing, as long as I get to do the nominating."
Boss Tweed

Again missing the forest for the trees. What you're implying by extension is an alliance of intersectionality. Where divergent groups split in niches of convenience converging on the keystone or bedrock of the entire system.
To give you an idea Tweedism is much older than both Bush's... Gilded age and the robber barons!
It has simply transcended and coalesced for a cause for a point in time worked overtime by those who understand the system to shepherd and harness it for their benefit!

Palestine and the region in large is the unfortunate victim of this machine.

You talk of immutable things. Something I can't agree upon. This was the same America which was turning away Jewish refugees ships escaping Hitler. This is the same Britain which was targeted by the Israeli terrorists for years in Palestine.
Nothing is immutable except the laws of physics.