Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present

[clutch]

The question is how to make that departure possible consistent with what you deem are essential requirements from your point of view. Obviously, just demanding that they all get up and leave is not likely to get much traction.

There will be no need to motivate the Israeli Zionist from leaving Palestine. The minute the Zionists realize that they have lost the military cover they will run like rats back to the countries they came from. They will not sacrifice their lives for the land like the Palestinians are doing because they have no real attachment to it other than fanciful illusions.

If only there were armies of Muslims marching today towards Jerusalem and Gaza. Just the sight will send the guilty running away.

Palestine will be free from the river to the sea. Inshallah.

 

[VCheng]

The minute the Zionists realize that they have lost the military cover

Good point. How and when would that military cover be lost?

 

[Unknowntruth]

Okay. But what will happen until they depart? The present carnage has to stop. Or are you suggesting to let it continue? Please clarify. Thanks.

Never said to continue, I am saying these crimes shows we cannot live with them. Their time will come eventually to pay for their crimes. All the mercy they have shown will be reciprocated one day.

 

[clutch]

The question is how to make that departure possible consistent with what you deem are essential requirements from your point of view. Obviously, just demanding that they all get up and leave is not likely to get much traction.

There will be no need to motivate the Israeli Zionist from leaving Palestine. The minute the Zionists realize that they have lost the military cover they will run like rats back to the countries they came from. They will not sacrifice their lives for the land like the Palestinians are doing because they have no real attachment to it other than fanciful illusions.

Palestine will be free from the river to the sea. Insha

Good point. How and when would that military cover be lost?

That the Billion dollars question. I do not know. Things look pretty bleak. But there is a huge difference between the Arab/Muslim street versus the cowardly corrupt rulers of those streets.

 

[UKBengali]

There will be no need to motivate the Israeli Zionist from leaving Palestine. The minute the Zionists realize that they have lost the military cover they will run like rats back to the countries they came from. They will not sacrifice their lives for the land like the Palestinians are doing because they have no real attachment to it other than fanciful illusions.

If only there were armies of Muslims marching today towards Jerusalem and Gaza. Just the sight will send the guilty running away.

Palestine will be free from the river to the sea. Inshallah.

It is a joke when we see the Zionist leaders like Netanyahu, Ganzt and Yoav fitting more into Eastern Europe than the ME.

Mystery solved as they are all of Eastern European heritage and so should all go back to their countries of origin.

If not they can try to emigrate to any other country that will take them.

 

[VCheng]

Their time will come eventually to pay for their crimes.

Eventually. So what happens until that eventuality is realized? How many more innocent children are you will to accept as victims until then?

 

[UKBengali]

Eventually. So what happens until that eventuality is realized? How many more innocent children are you will to accept as victims until then?

Dude...


No one is "accepting" anything here.

The US is the enabler of this genocide and so if you care and want it to stop, then do something as a US citizen like writing to your representative and going on demonstrations.

 

[Unknowntruth]

Eventually. So what happens until that eventuality is realized? How many more innocent children are you will to accept as victims until then?

Does it look like I am in charge of what’s going on or the actions taken? I am just stating the fact they will get their day soon.

 

[VCheng]

That the Billion dollars question. I do not know. Things look pretty bleak. But there is a huge difference between the Arab/Muslim street versus the cowardly corrupt rulers of those streets.

Exactly my point. But there has to be some kind of a rational plan to get to that point. Going all emotionally berserk will not achieve much, that is for sure.

That "huge difference" that you claim between the "street" and the rulers is not really supported by any evidence, to be honest. Much of this "street" is pretty quiet since Hamas is widely regarded as an Iranian proxy, with its obvious sectarian connotations.

 

[VCheng]

No one is "accepting" anything here.

That is precisely the problem. Both sides have to give and take for any progress to be made.

then do something as a US citizen

Already happening. There is no need to go into details here.

 

[UKBengali]

Exactly my point. But there has to be some kind of a rational plan to get to that point. Going all emotionally berserk will not achieve much, that is for sure.

That "huge difference" that you claim between the "street" and the rulers is not really supported by any evidence, to be honest. Much of this "street" is pretty quiet since Hamas is widely regarded as an Iranian proxy, with its obvious sectarian connotations.

Do you actually mean this for real?

It is not like people won't get arrested and tortured if they protest for Palestine in these dictatorships now then.

Who exactly "widely" regards Hamas as an Iranian proxy?

 

[RescueRanger]

Israel’s war on Gaza live: Israel passes law paving way for Al Jazeera ban​

There have been earlier threats to use emergency regulations to clamp down on Al Jazeera’s offices in Israel and the occupied Palestinian territories.

In mid-October, Israel’s government passed wartime regulations allowing it to provisionally close foreign media it deemed a threat to its national interests.

Israel’s Communications Minister Shlomo Karhi at the time said he hoped the measures would be used against Al Jazeera, which is one of the few international media channels to broadcast live from Gaza during the ongoing Israeli war. The minister accused Al Jazeera of pro-Hamas bias and incitement against Israel.

Press freedom organisations denounced the calls to shutter Al Jazeera and other media.
Israel has often lashed out at Al Jazeera, which has offices in the occupied West Bank and Gaza. In 2017, Israel pledging to ban Al Jazeera’s journalists, shutter its offices and block it from the airwaves. Israel’s communications minister at the time, Ayoob Kara, accused the channel of inciting violence, particularly surrounding the Al-Aqsa Mosque.

In 2022, Al Jazeera correspondent Shireen Abu Akleh was killed by Israeli forces while she was reporting in Jenin, in the occupied West Bank.

 

[RescueRanger]

Analysis from AJN:

Israel trying to ‘drag’ Iran into a regional war, analyst says​

Ali Vaez, director of the International Crisis Group’s Iran Project, says Israel’s alleged attack on Iran’s consulate in Syria is “akin to targeting another country on its own soil”.

“Overall this seems to still be a low-simmer regional war. It’s not yet an all-out regional conflict, but it does appear that Israel is trying to do everything in its power to expand the conflict,” Vaez told Al Jazeera.

“[This] puts Israel in a win-win situation because Israel knows Iran doesn’t want to get dragged into a regional war, so if it escalates its attacks against Iranian assets and personnel in Syria, it probably will be cost free, and if Iran does respond and retaliate, then it becomes a justified pretext for expanding the war.”

 

[Shadihassan28]

Iranian enrichment facilities are heavily resistant to attack and Iran can assemble 5 nuclear warheads within a few weeks (1 within a few days)

Question is political will within Iranian leadership, and that is unfortunately lacking

Let’s be honest Israel isn’t America if America decides the cost factor of iran not having nuclear weapons they will make the facilities inoperable for a long time, again producing several nuclear weapons quickly and using them effectively two different things. It’s like I said either way just watch the movie War Games and see who wins in a nuclear war…….I’m going to ruin the plot of a fun film no one wins in a nuclear war.

 

[VCheng]

Do you actually mean this for real?

It is not like people won't get arrested and tortured if they protest for Palestine in these dictatorships now then.

Who exactly "widely" regards Hamas as an Iranian proxy?

First it is claimed that there is widespread support for Hamas. Then it is claimed that people do not show it because of fear of being arrested and tortured. How does one assess these claim for veracity then?

Given that Iran is the leading power of a major sect in Islam that is known not to get along well with the leading powers of the other major sect in Islam, and that it is a known supporter of Hamas, those two may form the basis of a reasonable hypothesis unless it is proven wrong. Where is the evidence that would prove it so and support the two claim made?

If there is truly widespread support among the people over an issue, no dictator can stop it. That has been proven time and again.