Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present
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I'm talking about now.. not those times..Fresh troops arrived near the border since the start of the 7th October war in Gaza..Now you'll know that there was nothing defensive in my post..What I said still stands true.. you need to know better..
PakFactor
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His father regrets not pulling out that day.
He says he's Arab, but it's Arabs being killed in Gaza. Sometimes, these types of freaks have no idea what they're saying. Past Israeli leaders have always said they want Arabs out; regardless of their religious affiliation.
clutch
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Good!
mulj
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This is totally surprising and huge win for Hamas, hopefully this will last longer then couple of days.
Khansaheeb
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Khansaheeb
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It was all a farce:-
US Ambassador to Israel Jack Lew gives a speech at a rally calling for the release of hostages in Hamas captivity, Tel Aviv, January 13, 2024. (AHMAD GHARABLI / AFP)
US Ambassador to Israel Jack Lew insists that “fundamentally, nothing has changed in the basic relationship” between Israel and the US — despite the Biden administration’s decision last week to delay a shipment of high-payload bombs to Israel, and President Biden’s declaration that he would not supply offensive weapons to Israel for a major IDF offensive affecting population centers in southern Gaza’s Rafah.
Noting that military aid from Washington to Jerusalem has increased since war erupted in Gaza after Hamas’s October 7 attack, Lew stresses in a Channel 12 interview that only “one set of munitions” has been held back, and that “everything else keeps flowing.”
The two sides “need to keep talking through” issues that relate to the use of “large diameter bombs, heavy bombs, particularly when there’s the possibility of them being used in densely populated urban areas,” he says.
“But I think it’s a mistake to think that anything has fundamentally changed in the relationship,” he repeats.
Asked by interviewer Yonit Levy about Biden’s stated intention not to supply offensive weapons to Israel “if they go [into] these population centers,” Lew replies: “What the president said is that he doesn’t think it is a good idea to have a massive ground campaign in a heavily populated area. But he specifically said that 2,000-pound bombs shouldn’t be used in that setting.”
Lew notes, however, that Biden has made clear that Israel, thus far, has not engaged in the kind of major ground operation in Rafah that the US opposes. To date, the Rafah operation has not “crossed over into the area where our disagreements lie. I’m hoping we don’t end up with real disagreements.”
Pushed by Levy, who asks whether the president was really saying, stop the war and don’t topple Hamas, the ambassador demurs, and says the US had stressed from the start of the war that Israel has a responsibility to protect innocent civilians.
Asked whether the goal of the war remains to eliminate Hamas, he says the US “would never have used that language.”
“The challenge is to reduce Hamas to the point that it’s no longer a threat,” says Lew. “We have said consistently that Hamas should not be either a political or a governing body. That doesn’t mean that you’ve eliminated every last member of Hamas.”
“We’ve never said that it’s not a legitimate goal to go after the four battalions” that Hamas maintains in Rafah, adds Lew. “We’ve said there’s a better way to do it,” including through “targeted operations.”
Addressing criticism, including from within the Democratic Party, that Biden’s withholding of arms is pandering to the far-left and helping Israel’s enemies, Lew notes that the administration just endorsed continued military aid. (It did so, it said on Friday, despite concerns that some US weapons may have been used in instances inconsistent with international humanitarian law.)
Secretary of State Antony Blinken concluded “that there would be no interruption in US aid for Israel,” says Lew. “That’s of huge consequence. There’s a lot of people criticizing that decision. I think it was the right decision,” he adds, and advises: “You look at that in the context of one shipment of heavy bombs being delayed. You have to look at it in broader context.”
Asked about the state of the hostage-truce negotiations, Lew says, “People are misunderstanding” what has happened in the last week. “A proposal that Israel, the United States, Egypt, and Qatar put together to send to Hamas came back with changes. The changes are not acceptable to Israel. And we’ve said they’re not acceptable, but you can continue to negotiate… We’re still pushing all parties to stay engaged.”
Relating to a report that the US is offering sensitive information on Hamas leaders’ whereabouts to Israel, with the implication that it has been withholding such intel thus far, Lew says, “We’ve been helping for some time on these things,” and that the US and Israel have a “common objective to defeat Hamas, to find the leaders of Hamas, to close the border to smuggling… We’re sharing quite broadly.”
Lew says he cannot answer when asked how the war will end, but notes it is “already Israel’s longest war since the War of Independence” and Israel has “paid a dear price.”
“Everyone wants this war to end, I hope. We certainly want it to come to an end that leaves Israel safe and secure, so that your sons and daughters don’t have to go and fight, and people can get back to their homes and live in their homes. And that ought to be our common goal.”
US envoy to Israel denies US-Israel ties have changed: Only ‘one set of munitions’ held back
US Ambassador to Israel Jack Lew gives a speech at a rally calling for the release of hostages in Hamas captivity, Tel Aviv, January 13, 2024. (AHMAD GHARABLI / AFP)
US Ambassador to Israel Jack Lew insists that “fundamentally, nothing has changed in the basic relationship” between Israel and the US — despite the Biden administration’s decision last week to delay a shipment of high-payload bombs to Israel, and President Biden’s declaration that he would not supply offensive weapons to Israel for a major IDF offensive affecting population centers in southern Gaza’s Rafah.
Noting that military aid from Washington to Jerusalem has increased since war erupted in Gaza after Hamas’s October 7 attack, Lew stresses in a Channel 12 interview that only “one set of munitions” has been held back, and that “everything else keeps flowing.”
The two sides “need to keep talking through” issues that relate to the use of “large diameter bombs, heavy bombs, particularly when there’s the possibility of them being used in densely populated urban areas,” he says.
“But I think it’s a mistake to think that anything has fundamentally changed in the relationship,” he repeats.
Asked by interviewer Yonit Levy about Biden’s stated intention not to supply offensive weapons to Israel “if they go [into] these population centers,” Lew replies: “What the president said is that he doesn’t think it is a good idea to have a massive ground campaign in a heavily populated area. But he specifically said that 2,000-pound bombs shouldn’t be used in that setting.”
Lew notes, however, that Biden has made clear that Israel, thus far, has not engaged in the kind of major ground operation in Rafah that the US opposes. To date, the Rafah operation has not “crossed over into the area where our disagreements lie. I’m hoping we don’t end up with real disagreements.”
Pushed by Levy, who asks whether the president was really saying, stop the war and don’t topple Hamas, the ambassador demurs, and says the US had stressed from the start of the war that Israel has a responsibility to protect innocent civilians.
Asked whether the goal of the war remains to eliminate Hamas, he says the US “would never have used that language.”
“The challenge is to reduce Hamas to the point that it’s no longer a threat,” says Lew. “We have said consistently that Hamas should not be either a political or a governing body. That doesn’t mean that you’ve eliminated every last member of Hamas.”
“We’ve never said that it’s not a legitimate goal to go after the four battalions” that Hamas maintains in Rafah, adds Lew. “We’ve said there’s a better way to do it,” including through “targeted operations.”
Addressing criticism, including from within the Democratic Party, that Biden’s withholding of arms is pandering to the far-left and helping Israel’s enemies, Lew notes that the administration just endorsed continued military aid. (It did so, it said on Friday, despite concerns that some US weapons may have been used in instances inconsistent with international humanitarian law.)
Secretary of State Antony Blinken concluded “that there would be no interruption in US aid for Israel,” says Lew. “That’s of huge consequence. There’s a lot of people criticizing that decision. I think it was the right decision,” he adds, and advises: “You look at that in the context of one shipment of heavy bombs being delayed. You have to look at it in broader context.”
Asked about the state of the hostage-truce negotiations, Lew says, “People are misunderstanding” what has happened in the last week. “A proposal that Israel, the United States, Egypt, and Qatar put together to send to Hamas came back with changes. The changes are not acceptable to Israel. And we’ve said they’re not acceptable, but you can continue to negotiate… We’re still pushing all parties to stay engaged.”
Relating to a report that the US is offering sensitive information on Hamas leaders’ whereabouts to Israel, with the implication that it has been withholding such intel thus far, Lew says, “We’ve been helping for some time on these things,” and that the US and Israel have a “common objective to defeat Hamas, to find the leaders of Hamas, to close the border to smuggling… We’re sharing quite broadly.”
Lew says he cannot answer when asked how the war will end, but notes it is “already Israel’s longest war since the War of Independence” and Israel has “paid a dear price.”
“Everyone wants this war to end, I hope. We certainly want it to come to an end that leaves Israel safe and secure, so that your sons and daughters don’t have to go and fight, and people can get back to their homes and live in their homes. And that ought to be our common goal.”
ThirdFaculty
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I saw a video of an Iranian made Alma’s being launched at a base 3 were launched and it didn’t seem to do that much damage. I think the blast size on these things isn’t that great
UKBengali
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All that needed to happen was Hamas to be supplied with modern anti-tank missiles and manpad.
This would have increased Zionist terrorist deaths by 10x at least.
BHAN85
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The difference between terrorism and legal army is not the weapon used, it's the target.
Targeting civilians deliberately like Hamas did, it's terrorism.
Collateral damage is not.
UKBengali
Elite Member
Do you have any proof that Hamas deliberately targeted non-combatants in practice or just taking the Zionist narrative here?
BHAN85
Trusted Member
Rave videos everywhere with militants sequestrating civilians, pure terrorism.
UKBengali
Elite Member
No you have not seen the full picture as we did not see what happened before the videos were shot.
A lot of the "ravers" were armed and were firing on Hamas fighters.
We need an independent investigation before we conclude Hamas committed any war crimes on October 7th.
No court would make a definite conclusion based on just a video.
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