Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present

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Except that does & doesn't apply to the zionist considering how they're always singing the tune that is Hamas' supposed charter.
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Since this conflict began, both in the old PDF and in the new PDF, I have been trying to be consistently calling the ongoing conflict as either the 'Gazans' or the 'Palestinian' Resistance. I would have preferred 'Palestinian' resistance but the West Bank and the large Jordanian Palestinian population have been mostly absent despite their potentials.

But by buying into the Israeli narrative of 'Hamas', we fall into the trap set by the Zionists and their supporters in America, which is to pinpoint to a specific target in order to isolate that then destroy that--repeat and rinse.
So let's not fall into their trap, camouflaged with cunning rhetoric! But how about turning their rhetoric against them? Why not say it is not the 'Jews' but the 'Zionists'?
 
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You know, I'm going to get a little personal because this has been tearing me apart. You know how much I love this great country heck I chose to come here to live because I knew the opportunities are like no other place on this earth, and I could live the life I want and raise my family in the best country and so do tens of millions of other immigrants (many here on this forum) who have spent the majority of their lives here who also understand that the US does A LOT, and I mean AAAAA LOOOOOOOTTTT of good in the form of help and assistance to many impoverished countries, even gets involved in wars and sacrifices its own for the cause of freedom and against oppression, and takes on the role of world police because it knows no one else will do it and if it doesn't, the world will fall in shambles with anarchy. And it's the LARGEST donor of aid in the entire world, just like it's doing here with no one else's help. All this is undeniable.

But at the same time, with the other cheek it's supplying 93% of the weapons that are killing the innocent people it's now trying to help! And with approval and protection. I realize there are plenty of other motivations (many of which are nefarious just to lay it all down but for now we'll let those go since they're also just speculations). It's an expert at playing good cop/bad cop and the entire world sees this but like anything else, most only look at the bad. Can't blame them.

Not sure if using the term double-edged sword is the appropriate metaphor here, but close enough. Unfortunately, the edge that does the cutting is much louder than the one that doesn't and it's a real shame. Because it conflicts with people like me (and I'm pretty sure @Falcon29 shares the same sentiment but much worst for obvious reasons) and many other Arabs & Muslims here on this forum. People like us who love this country and would support it if the cause is right. But to, on hand supply all the weapons and protect a murdering scoundrel of an entity like Israel in a complete and unabashed way, then on the other hand simply turn the cheek and offer help for the result of that murdering is dumbfounding to say the least. And disheartening for people like me to put it mildly.

Can you relate to that POV?
 
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You keep digging yourself into absurdities!
Yes, there is a strong dislike between the Israeli Left and Right but they ALL agree--and rightly so-- that without the State of Israel itself, neither of them would survive and thus we saw the fleeting unity in Israel after October 7. That's not unique to Israel. Happens all over the world after such calamities.
But your 'logic' seems to be that Israeli Right decided to sacrifice the 'Communist Kibbutzim' is really absurd. What's the gain for the Israelis?? Israel is now a veritable International Pariah in making, Israelis are internally displaced for 7+ months in their 100,000+, people are talking about leaving Israel, Israeli military is seen as a joke--a pale shadow of the image made in 1967, 'Anti-Semitism' has lost its lethal suffocating power, America has slowly started to not only displace Netanyahu but also engaging with KSA directly, bypassing Israel. But more than all of that: Israelis have managed to divert the American attention from Ukraine and China--the real rivals of America are in China and Russia but the pissant tiny country in the Middle East used its Lobby to divert American attention and resources.

I can go on and on about dismantling your own falsehood and paranoia but I think you mean well for Eurasia so I will stop here.


There are no good jews.

Never mind if they on right or left.

I love to see the Zionist left fight the zionist right with phosphorus bombs and shells and machin guns the way Zionist killed palestinian kids and children

Only in that way, will we see good jews.
WHEN THEY ARE DEAD AND ROTTING AWAY
 
3 IDF terrorists liquidated in Gaza (including a commander), 4 more IDF terrorists "seriously wounded"

The IDF announces the deaths of two terrorist soldiers killed during fighting in the southern Gaza Strip on Saturday.

The slain terrorists are named as Staff Sgt. Nachman Meir Haim Vaknin, 20, from Eilat and Staff Sgt. Noam Bittan, 20, from Yad Rambam.

The pair served in the Givati Brigade's reconnaissance unit. Vaknin and Bittan were killed and another two soldiers and an officer of the Givati reconnaissance unit were seriously wounded as a result of a blast in a booby-trapped tunnel shaft in the Rafah area.

Their deaths bring the toll of slain troops in the IDF's ground offensive against Hamas in Gaza and in operations on the border to 282.

In a separate incident, a reservist of the 5832nd Combat Engineering Battalion was seriously wounded in Rafah after his D9 armored bulldozer was hit by an RPG.

An IDF officer seriously wounded during fighting in the northern Gaza Strip on May 15 succumbed to his wounds, the military announces.

He is named as Maj. Gal Shabbat, 24, a company commander in the Paratroopers Brigade's 202nd Battalion.

His death brings the toll of slain troops in the ground offensive against Hamas and in operations along the border to 283.
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This quote by the professor pretty much sums it up.

"The gullibility, and indeed ignorance, of contemporary leaders about the intent, hatred, ruthlessness, and capability of their enemies are not surprising given unchanging human nature."

Except that does & doesn't apply to the zionist considering how they're always singing the tune that is Hamas' supposed charter. They certainly make it a point to play the victim card as loud as possible by constantly playing the existential threat song & dance. Then they murder them by the tens of thousands while Hamas is slowly (hopefully surely) lining up to be a member of the examples this man is referring to.

But it's good because this is really not a new concept, besides his outlining of all the nitty gritty details of these events and how they brought about those empirical powers' eventual demise. In fact, the annihilation of powers in general was not always relegated to large empires only, but as we clearly see now, it's superpowers and regional powers as well. Eventually they'll all meet their demise but the neat thing he's really stating with those historical events is that they're only an affirmation that history repeats itself. Despite our belief that we are moral and only have nukes for deterrence. It's really simple but the beauty of what the professor's (who is well-known in academia) book is the details of that history and the specifics of how they relate to the examples he gave, namely the Armenians, Kurds, zionists but I must admit the more interesting one that strangely enough many people don't pay much attention to (including myself) despite its population being extremely small yet it has a rather popular and vociferous diaspora is current Greece! I found it fascinating that he would include it in his list which obviously calls out today's Türkiye as one of those so-called "vulnerable powers" that could face an eventual doom. Obviously, that depends on Türkiye's future actions since I don't believe they're anywhere near that point.

It also seems to go unnoticed in historical contexts as to how in some of these instances, the annihilation vs doom was not necessarily all due solely to the aggressor, but in large part the defender himself contributed to his own annihilation as he astutely points out the Aztecs along with Cortez and his Spanish Conquistadores in Mexico. The Aztecs' annihilation was due largely in part to their own horrible practices of human sacrifices and all that crazy stuff they did. Funny thing is he didn't make the correlation in that interview, but we could easily deduce that it could also apply to the demise of the zionist. Obviously not in the same terms as the Aztecs. However, with the zionists demon-like treatment of the Palestinians and who knows, maybe in time they'll go full-bore demon and slaughter their own in the form of Orthodox Jews and other Israeli/Jews who defy zionism and speak up against it making them also fall in that category. Leave it up to the zionist to actually have the horrible & disgusting traits of both parties not just one!
I still come back to the hypothesis that Israel is ruled by factions, the faction in power is which ever can keep on achieving state survival, despite the dissonance many of their citizens almost certainly feel. They won’t seriously hurt their orthodox community, it’s against their law. At most they will jail them and work on educating their children to have different views (pro-government views) than their parents.

Once they get the Arab nations (or some Palestinians) to be the “peacekeepers” (some may start considering them modern day sondercommandos in this ongoing genocide) in Gaza, vis a vi pressure from America, they will work on their public image around the world and shift to a liberal face for a while to do a massive PR campaign.

Before this massacre started their use to be a YouTube ad for “Tel Aviv - Jerusalem”. Expect more of that.

The only thing is, The Palestinians and the Arabs and enough young people know that this is a war, not to neutralize Hamas, but to expel the Palestinians if they can achieve it, or kill enough of them until some kind of deterrence is re-established, through fear. But what they have lost in this fight is that people know they will go to any lengthens, and risk harming any civilian if their AI tells them to do so. So as Sun Tzu would say, they have put the Palestinians on “Fatal Terrain”; a no turning back position, so don’t expect the Palestinians people and their supporters to let up, despite whatever face saving Israel and its supporters try to do.

The censorship of TikTok and other media in such a naked way has also exposed Israel supremacist supporters and the whole global facade to keep them and the global status quo in power, not unlike the movie “John Carpenter: They Live”: especially how they co-opt local elites. (“They Live, We Sleep”). By the way, this is a film that came out in 1988 (alluding to Reagan supporters, but …) and 2025 is right around the corner.
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I come back to what was agreed by liberal Israelis and the PLO with the Oslo accords. That was Israel’s high water mark, and a way for them to legitimize themselves, with time. The right wing faction killed Rabin and instigated the second intifada, and eventually they had to withdraw from southern Lebanon and Gaza in 2000 and 2005 respectively. The Middle East was liberalizing in the 90s, and without a “reason d’tre” regimes like the one in Iran might have fallen by now, had a Palestinian state come to be in the 90s. With demographics being what they were, a majority of the regions people wouldn’t have known an Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and by now, most young people would have just look at Israel as always having been there, side by side with a Palestine.

The right wing Israeli, most definitely led by Netanyahu, pushed for the 2003 Iraq War, but created a worse status quo, by empowering Iran. Forces inside Lebanon and Syria went from Arab entities to Iranian proxies.

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There are no good jews.

Never mind if they on right or left.

I love to see the Zionist left fight the zionist right with phosphorus bombs and shells and machin guns the way Zionist killed palestinian kids and children

Only in that way, will we see good jews.
WHEN THEY ARE DEAD AND ROTTING AWAY
that’s not fair. If the student protest and other protests around the world have shown, there are many Jewish people of conscience. It’s not fair to label people that don’t participate in the atrocities to be blamed.

Remember what Salahuddin did and how he did it.

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Also, remember what Professor Mearsheimer said at the end of his lecture in Australia a few days ago, thousands upon thousands (possibly hundreds of thousands if I remember correctly) of Israelis are going to Poland to seek citizenship, to find a place to live in peace.
 
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Since this conflict began, both in the old PDF and in the new PDF, I have been trying to be consistently calling the ongoing conflict as either the 'Gazans' or the 'Palestinian' Resistance. I would have preferred 'Palestinian' resistance but the West Bank and the large Jordanian Palestinian population have been mostly absent despite their potentials.

But by buying into the Israeli narrative of 'Hamas', we fall into the trap set by the Zionists and their supporters in America, which is to pinpoint to a specific target in order to isolate that then destroy that--repeat and rinse.
So let's not fall into their trap, camouflaged with cunning rhetoric! But how about turning their rhetoric against them? Why not say it is not the 'Jews' but the 'Zionists'?
You’re right, they are trying to isolate one section of the population, rhetorically, to try to “defeat them in detail”. But sometimes, Gazans are used to highlight the plight of the people in Gaza specifically. But you are more correct to refer to always refer to them as Palestinians so people understand this is part of the larger conflict, and not a separate people.

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You know, I'm going to get a little personal because this has been tearing me apart. You know how much I love this great country heck I chose to come here to live because I knew the opportunities are like no other place on this earth, and I could live the life I want and raise my family in the best country and so do tens of millions of other immigrants (many here on this forum) who have spent the majority of their lives here who also understand that the US does A LOT, and I mean AAAAA LOOOOOOOTTTT of good in the form of help and assistance to many impoverished countries, even gets involved in wars and sacrifices its own for the cause of freedom and against oppression, and takes on the role of world police because it knows no one else will do it and if it doesn't, the world will fall in shambles with anarchy. And it's the LARGEST donor of aid in the entire world, just like it's doing here with no one else's help. All this is undeniable.

But at the same time, with the other cheek it's supplying 93% of the weapons that are killing the innocent people it's now trying to help! And with approval and protection. I realize there are plenty of other motivations (many of which are nefarious just to lay it all down but for now we'll let those go since they're also just speculations). It's an expert at playing good cop/bad cop and the entire world sees this but like anything else, most only look at the bad. Can't blame them.

Not sure if using the term double-edged sword is the appropriate metaphor here, but close enough. Unfortunately, the edge that does the cutting is much louder than the one that doesn't and it's a real shame. Because it conflicts with people like me (and I'm pretty sure @Falcon29 shares the same sentiment but much worst for obvious reasons) and many other Arabs & Muslims here on this forum. People like us who love this country and would support it if the cause is right. But to, on hand supply all the weapons and protect a murdering scoundrel of an entity like Israel in a complete and unabashed way, then on the other hand simply turn the cheek and offer help for the result of that murdering is dumbfounding to say the least. And disheartening for people like me to put it mildly.

Can you relate to that POV?


Think of it this way, October 7 was Israel’s Pearl Harbor or 9/11. The US destroyed the Japanese military across the Pacific, firebombed over 60 Japanese cities, and nuked two of them. Had it not been for the atomic bombs, the US planned to invade mainland Japan with 1.8M troops in Operation Downfall. In other words, the US went to every length to ensure the destruction of the Japanese empire and their ability to wage war.

Do I feel for the innocent people of Gaza caught up in this war? Yes……but Israel is fully justified in destroying the Hamas terror group, its network, infrastructure, and ability to wage terror on Israel. Innocent people have suffered in war throughout the entire history of humanity. And many of them suffer at the hands of their horrific governments or regimes whether that be in Gaza or Japan in WW2.

I grew up with 9/11 and the War on Terror. I have zero sympathy for terror groups such as Hamas and their supporters. Zero
 
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SINCE WHEN FAIRNESS MATTERS IN ZIONIST NAZIS?
SO PLEASE PREACH YOUR FAIRNESS TO THE JEWS AND NOT TO ME
That’s your prerogative. I could say you have to distinguish between the two groups, but in depths of see all the atrocities it may take you and many others decades before the difference can be accepted (btw, I’m aware, based on polls, the majority of Israelis support this war, but I hope eventually you see those that don’t support it). It took many decades to see that not all Germans were Nazis after WW2.

Also, don’t get this twisted, I don’t for one second give the Israelis a pass for what they are doing. Those involved know what they are deliberately doing. I have gone to protests, like the one in DC, and being following the protests since, in person and online (as seen on this forum).
 
Think of it this way, October 7 was Israel’s Pearl Harbor or 9/11. The US destroyed the Japanese military across the Pacific, firebombed over 60 Japanese cities, and nuked two of them. Had it not been for the atomic bombs, the US planned to invade mainland Japan with 1.8M troops in Operation Downfall. In other words, the US went to every length to ensure the destruction of the Japanese empire and their ability to wage war.

Well, I would go with the 911 analogy but not the Pearl Harbor one. The use of the 2 atomic bombs notwithstanding, it was peer adversaries fighting military targets for 90% of the war and had Japan possessed a nuke, the US might've thought twice about using its own. Regardless, I'll go with your example of 911 and look at what the US did; it justifiably went into Afghanistan to root out Bin Laden but never slaughtered tens of thousands of Afghanis. Even when it blundered the Iraq invasion in an epic failed reasoning, it still never came close to what the demons are doing here. Sorry ma man, I don't by any similarity in the comparisons. But I appreciate your response.

Do I feel for the innocent people of Gaza caught up in this war? Yes……but Israel is fully justified in destroying the Hamas terror group, its network, infrastructure, and ability to wage terror on Israel. Innocent people have suffered in war throughout the entire history of humanity. And many of them suffer at the hands of their horrific governments or regimes whether that be in Gaza or Japan in WW2.

So you don't even see one iota of the Palestinian perspective on the occupation and that it's Hamas' cause? Not even a semblance of any form of justified resistance?

I grew up with 9/11 and the War on Terror. I have zero sympathy for terror groups such as Hamas and their supporters. Zero

I'm not suggesting you should sympathize with terrorist since many would say Hamas is a resistance movement, or just like people say "one man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter" but because of your view or terrorism, you should read Bin Laden's letter to America! It's mind-blowing how impactful that letter has been to the generation of American who also grew up with 911 and the supposed WoT. Amazing. It won't change your mind, but it offers another perspective far removed from the government's familiar narrative.
 
Think of it this way, October 7 was Israel’s Pearl Harbor or 9/11. The US destroyed the Japanese military across the Pacific, firebombed over 60 Japanese cities, and nuked two of them. Had it not been for the atomic bombs, the US planned to invade mainland Japan with 1.8M troops in Operation Downfall. In other words, the US went to every length to ensure the destruction of the Japanese empire and their ability to wage war.

Do I feel for the innocent people of Gaza caught up in this war? Yes……but Israel is fully justified in destroying the Hamas terror group, its network, infrastructure, and ability to wage terror on Israel. Innocent people have suffered in war throughout the entire history of humanity. And many of them suffer at the hands of their horrific governments or regimes whether that be in Gaza or Japan in WW2.

I grew up with 9/11 and the War on Terror. I have zero sympathy for terror groups such as Hamas and their supporters. Zero
Simply shame on you...
 
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