Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present

[Meengla]

The author is not an Israeli. I don't know if he has any special links to Israeli decision makers. For all I know, he may be giving Israelis too much credit here. Do you think I should have mentioned this in my post?

You didn't have to mention who the author was. I look for new types of info, new patterns, alternate viewpoints as priority. Who likes echo chambers!

 

[VCheng]

This issue will never be resolved until the colonist state of israel is dismantled

That is, at least for the foreseeable future, an unrealistic aim, al things considered.

 

[Davey Crockett]

Well, the horse may have left, but the barn is on fire right now. How that ends still remains to be seen. Arguing who should put out the fire will only lead to it totally burning down.

Not trying to start an argument, just pointing out this conflict may have reached the point of no return.

As much as the Palestinians may want to end this, the Zionists (who controls America) will not stop until they reach their goal of Greater Israel.

I recognized this last October when I started searching for alternative views than the hogwash the media was feeding me. This is how I found this forum.

This is a spiritual war, of our times. Starts with each one of us, doing our part.

Trying to do my part. Just had an elder from a local black church on my porch, this afternoon, showing him the materials on Islam I received from Gain Peace.

 

[PakAl]

That is, at least for the foreseeable future, an unrealistic aim, al things considered.

So the problem will never be resolved until the fitna is removed. Even if Palestinians get their state, Israel will never allow them to be independent, form an army etc, also looking at West Bank surrounded by Israeli forces and settlements, we should know very well no Palestinian state will be formed.

 

[VCheng]

Not trying to start an argument, just pointing out this conflict may have reached the point of no return.

So the problem will never be resolved until the fitna is removed.

Fair enough. We can all watch further developments as they happen. I have no one side or the other to support or oppose. As I said before, both sides will fight the other as best as they can, with all the resources at their respective disposals. The better strategy will win, of course, whomever it might be.

 

[PakAl]

Not trying to start an argument, just pointing out this conflict may have reached the point of no return.

As much as the Palestinians may want to end this, the Zionists (who controls America) will not stop until they reach their goal of Greater Israel.

I recognized this last October when I started searching for alternative views than the hogwash the media was feeding me. This is how I found this forum.

This is a spiritual war, of our times. Starts with each one of us, doing our part.

Trying to do my part. Just had an elder from a local black church on my porch, this afternoon, showing him the materials on Islam I received from Gain Peace.

You see Israel is such a powerful state, noone can touch them but they still are killing innocents, even if you give them all your golds, they will still not stop. This is why they will suffer a humiliating defeat when their time comes and we all are witnesses to their crimes and disorder on earth, they will indeed pay for it.

 

[PakAl]

Fair enough. We can all watch further developments as they happen. I have no one side or the other to support or oppose. As I said before, both sides will fight the other as best as they can, with all the resources at their respective disposals. The better strategy will win, of course, whomever it might be.

At the moment Israel will easily win, its not even a war, its a genocide but when God wills Israel time will come. Its not about strategies but haqq against batil.

 

[Meengla]

As much as the Palestinians may want to end this, the Zionists (who controls America) will not stop until they reach their goal of Greater Israel.

Israel, in its Zionist form, is a cancer affecting the heartland of the Muslim world which is a contiguous region of literally millions of people from the 'Stans like Pakistan/Tajikistan to the north western shores of Africa. The Muslim land contiguity is basically broken by Israel. Imagine if a Muslim state, even if a narrow long one, backed by a Superpower and its rich powerful allies, was put in the middle of Europe as a tiny slice going from the Med. Sea to the northern seas. One could say, he, it is such a tiny land, so let it be. But the impact for regional chaos in Europe would be tremendously destructive!!
So Israel serves as an arm of the imperial Neo Cons in America. The Neo Cons have enriched themselves for generation because of the wars in the MENA region AND in Europe. Israel ensures the gravy train in the Middle East for these Neo Cons in America.

 

[PakAl]

Israel, in its Zionist form, is a cancer affecting the heartland of the Muslim world which is a contiguous region of literally millions of people from the 'Stans like Pakistan/Tajikistan to the north western shores of Africa. The Muslim land contiguity is basically broken by Israel. Imagine if a Muslim state, even if a narrow long one, backed by a Superpower and its rich powerful allies, was put in the middle of Europe as a tiny slice going from the Med. Sea to the northern seas. One could say, he, it is such a tiny land, so let it be. But the impact for regional chaos in Europe would be tremendously destructive!!
So Israel serves as an arm of the imperial Neo Cons in America. The Neo Cons have enriched themselves for generation because of the wars in the MENA region AND in Europe. Israel ensures the gravy train in the Middle East for these Neo Cons in America.

It's a vassel state, to keep the middleeast unstable and under their thumbs but Islamically this is the sign of dajaal coming, the zionist are waiting for their messiah to come and rule from Israel, he will indeed come.

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[PakFactor]

Please note that my question was not who has a problem with coexisting, but rather HOW both sides can learn to coexist with each other peacefully on an enduring basis, given that neither side can kill off all of the opposing side, nor ship them off physically to somewhere else, try as they might. And that applies to both sides equally.

Welcome back.

I want to highlight a point in this discussion about eliminating the opposing side or relocating them. The Israelis have a history of doing this through settlement projects such as the West Bank Settlements. The current coalition government is the most far-right we've seen in the last 75 years, and their stated goal is to remove what they refer to as "the animals." If they choose to go this route, there is no force on earth that can or will stop them; the last several months have proven it, along with the silence of the surrounding nations.

There are concerns about the divisions created by the Israelis in the North and South Gaza to reintroduce settlements. There is a possibility that settlements might not happen. Recent imagery shows a strong indication of separation between North and South Gaza; the rest will depend on speculation about what might happen. However, there are signs that Israelis will take 1 1/2 miles of Gaza land to establish a buffer zone, thus, in effect, displacing more Palestinians from their homes, and nothing can be done.

Anyways, let the parties carry on; what's more dead people at this point, as Joseph Stalin rightfully said, "One death is a tragedy, a million deaths a statistic."

Don't stress yourself over this conflict.

 

[Davey Crockett]

You see Israel is such a powerful state, noone can touch them but they still are killing innocents, even if you give them all your golds, they will still not stop. This is why they will suffer a humiliating defeat when their time comes and we all are witnesses to their crimes and disorder on earth, they will indeed pay for it.

I sure hope so.

It's not just Israel or America - it's world Zionism we are up against.

It's evilness and rot has penetrated nearly all our institutions.

Henry Ford recognized this over 100 years ago. As well as many others.

 

[PakAl]

I sure hope so.

It's not just Israel or America - it's world Zionism we are up against.

It's evilness and rot has penetrated nearly all our institutions.

Henry Ford recognized this over 100 years ago. As well as many others.

It's a religious ideological war. This is just the beginning, unfortunately things will go alot worse, more wars and killings, in order to fulfil the signs and then messiah comes, he will cause more killings and deception. The biggest weapon of the zionist dajaali movement is their deception, they fool everyone except the good hearted people. Would you believe they don't even believe in God, they're actually secular extremists devil worshippers.

 

[Davey Crockett]

It's a religious ideological war. This is just the beginning, unfortunately things will go alot worse, more wars and killings, in order to fulfil the signs and then messiah comes, he will cause more killings and deception. The biggest weapon of the zionist dajaali movement is their deception, they fool everyone except the good hearted people. Would you believe they don't even believe in God, they're actually secular extremists devil worshippers.

Dajjāl (Arabic: دجّال) is the superlative form of the root word dajl meaning "lie" or "deception". It means "deceiver" and also appears in Syriac (daggāl ܕܓܠ, "false, deceitful; spurious").

You are correct, it's a religious ideological war. A better description than "spiritual" which I have been using.

"they fool everyone except the good hearted people". That's been my observation meeting people from all over the world over the years.

We are on the same page.

The question really becomes, "what can we, the good hearted people do to help others out of the deception?"

 

[Davey Crockett]

Would you believe they don't even believe in God, they're actually secular extremists devil worshippers.

I have known this for over 50 years.

 

[Meengla]

Yossi Beilin, one of the more sensible sounding Israelis, is betraying a few things in this video, if you really read him carefully.
1) The Israeli fears of a two-front war.
2) He's suggesting that Israel has basically won, so stop the conflict in Gaza
3) Israel, via Macron, willing to give back the tiny Sheba Farms to Lebanon which is occupied by Israel. In return, Israel expects Hezbollah to stop attacking Israel.

Pretty sharp guy and cunning as they come! After all, he was one of the architects of the OSLO Accords which offered peanusts and vague promises. So, beware, he is only suggesting to buy time for Israel. And if Israel's situation becomes worse then these cunning Israelis might even offer the Golan Heights back to Syria. They occupy lands as bargaining chips!1 Smart. But should the regional countries fall for an inherently expansionist country's short term concessions? They would be fool if they do so!

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