Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present

[Lehrasap]

There is a big difference between South Africa and Palestine.

1. Israel already succeeded in stealing Palestinian land and making a state.

2. They have been ethnically cleansing Palestinians. How many Palestinians are stateless?

Yes. And if Arabs had accepted it in 1948, instead of waging a war, then there would have been no further problems.

3. They have carved up the West Bank like Swiss cheese where it is no longer viable to even make a Palestinian state.

The Western world, despite being a big supporter of Israel, has not accepted those illegal settlements. And the anger against those illegal settlements was increasing everywhere, including in the USA itself.
But Zionists used successfully the suicide attacks and Jihad of Hamas as reasons for Israeli security to take more and more land.
And these suicide bombings and the refusal by Hamas to accept the right of Israel to exist is also the reasons that the whole world has yet not united against the illegal settlements.

5. Signing Oslo and giving up their weapons did not accomplish anything but continued occupation and illegal settlements. You could argue Hamas resistance worked because at least it managed to get rid of settlements in Gaza. Did the PA giving up of guns and recognizing Israel accomplish anything in West Bank? Israel is not a true partner for peace.

Nothing is 100% perfect in this world. But OSLO accord would have succeeded had there been no Hamas and its stupid suicide bombings, which ultimately made fanatic parties in Israel stronger and helped them to get to the power, who ultimately went for illegal settlements after coming to power.

Otherwise, there was a lot of support in Israel for Oslo accord in the beginning and many Israelis were against any illegal settlements. But all such parties lost in elections while they lost popularity after suicide bombings of Hamas.

South Africa experienced apartheid but their people were not ethnically cleansed from their lands.

Firstly, it happened only in the beginning. There was no more ethnical cleansing after that.
Thus, there is no more a problem of ethnical cleansing after the Oslo accord (or even today). There are only two major issues today:
(1) This biggest one is Hamass refusal to accept Israel's right to exist
(2) The 2nd biggest is refusal by Israel to eliminate illegal settlements.

 

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[HAIDER]

Israel new tactic of mass murdering people ... they generate cellphone signal , when people gather in the area to make phone calls, they get bombed.

 

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[Unknowntruth]

Here we go again.
You blame Israel to be racist, while Israelis show how they are deemed Kafirs by the other side, and they will kill each and every Jew sooner or later according to their scriptures. They claim that these hatred coming from their scriptures make it impossible for any peaceful solution with religious nuts on the other side.
And Israel officially has nothing to do with racism, but it offered Palestinians to accept its right to exist officially, but it were palestininas who kept on denying it.

Kaffir means unbeliever and your point is? Doesn't Israel call non-jews Gentiles? What is the difference? This is also not about Islam because its not just Muslim populations fighting to exist but Christian Palestinians too. I am not here to debate religion because this is not the issue. I will though add that Islam does not permit killing of civilians and anything due to war is strictly self-defense.

It didn't start with Hamas, but it indeed started with Palestinians. And Hamas is now continuing the same mistake and not able to reform itself.

And please don't try to mislead people. Hamas has not taken weapons against illegal settlements, but it has taken weapons against the existence of the state of Israel.

Till the time Hamas aims to eliminate the whole state of Israel (instead of illegal settlements) till then no peace is possible.

How did it start with Palestinians? Did the Palestinians choose to be occupied and oppressed? Did the Palestinians have a say in their occupation or was it forced upon them? Hamas is actively fighting the entity that builds those illegal settlements and oppresses their people. Hamas has already put out a charter that supports a 2 state based on 1967 borders, try again.

Despite being huge supporter of Israel, not a single first world country accepted the illegal settlement. Even the voice was getting stronger and stronger against illegal settlements in the USA.

This word is not perfect. Not all things are achieved IMMEDIATELY. It took decades of peaceful resistance in South Africa to get the whole world united against the white apartheid government and to get independence. Palestinians and all its supporters need to get a lesson from it, instead of going totally against it and supporting Hamas and its so-called against Israelis civilians.
I have already made it clear above.

What did not accepting the settlements accomplish? You keep saying Hamas but once again you proved my point that Israel does not want peace. If all your friends even dont accept all these illegal settlements, why are you still building them? The answer is in your face but you choose to ignore it. This speaks to their true intentions and a Palestinian state is not something they want. You expect Palestinians to just lay there and keep getting humiliated when nothing has been done to further a Palestinian state or give them rights on their land. Does Israels continuous building of illegal settlements show that they seek peace? or does it show its true intent which is to steal all of Palestine.

Please stop.
Hamas's goal is the elimination of the whole Israeli state and it is at the moment the BIGGEST reason for bloodshed in this region.
Hamas deems every Israeli settler as a target, which should either be directly eliminated in suicide bombings, rocket attacks, direct killing as on 7th October, or taken hostage despite them being civilians.

Hamas was created because of the continuous occupation, oppression, continued illegal settlements, etc by Israel. Israel even supported Hamas to counteract the PLO. You choose to ignore that with occupation and injustices resistances movements will exist. The only way forward for peace is for justice to be served to the Palestinians. Your leader benjamin Netanyahu took pride by saying he prevented a Palestinian state. You even assassinated your own prime minister Yitzhak Rabin to prevent a 2 state. PLO gave up their guns established the PA, worked with Israel in security yet they were rewarded with continued illegal settlements and occupation.

What did it accomplish? Nothing because the intentions of Israel is quite clear. It does not want a 2 state but to use the 2 state talks as guise while they continuously steal more and more land.

Your leaders like Smotrich, Givr, etc call for genocide and the expulsion of Palestinians. They not only call for it but with the carpet bombing of Gaza to make life in Gaza uninhabitable shows their genocidal nature. It is not all talk but actions on the ground. You can choose to ignore the realites of what is happening to make excuse for a Fascist entity. That is not my problem that is yours.

 

[Unknowntruth]

Yes. And if Arabs had accepted it in 1948, instead of waging a war, then there would have been no further problems.


The Western world, despite being a big supporter of Israel, has not accepted those illegal settlements. And the anger against those illegal settlements was increasing everywhere, including in the USA itself.
But Zionists used successfully the suicide attacks and Jihad of Hamas as reasons for Israeli security to take more and more land.
And these suicide bombings and the refusal by Hamas to accept the right of Israel to exist is also the reasons that the whole world has yet not united against the illegal settlements.



Nothing is 100% perfect in this world. But OSLO accord would have succeeded had there been no Hamas and its stupid suicide bombings, which ultimately made fanatic parties in Israel stronger and helped them to get to the power, who ultimately went for illegal settlements after coming to power.

Otherwise, there was a lot of support in Israel for Oslo accord in the beginning and many Israelis were against any illegal settlements. But all such parties lost in elections while they lost popularity after suicide bombings of Hamas.



Firstly, it happened only in the beginning. There was no more ethnical cleansing after that.
Thus, there is no more a problem of ethnical cleansing after the Oslo accord (or even today). There are only two major issues today:
(1) This biggest one is Hamass refusal to accept Israel's right to exist
(2) The 2nd biggest is refusal by Israel to eliminate illegal settlements.

Why should the Palestinians have accepted to be occupied? Would any other country or people accept that? If so, please show me where anyone voluntarily accepted that. Can I come and take your own home then kill you if you refuse? No, that would be insanity.


You keep saying the Western world did not accept them like this is something to be proud of. Does Israel care about what the west accepted or didnt? No, because they still build them. There is a difference between not accepting than to actually do something about those illegal settlements. So the Palestinians should keep getting killed and land stolen till Israel chooses to stop? It wont stop because it wants all of Palestine and if it gave a damn about peace it wouldnt build them.

WHAT DID OSLO ACHIEVE?
NOTHING
It only made settlement activity worse and on top of that left Palestinians completely handicapped by giving up their weapons. Hamas has at least kicked out the settlements from Gaza so unlike the PA it did accomplish something. This shows that resistance is the only way unless Israel changes their mindset with their lust of land and blood.

 

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[Meengla]

Gaza can use desalination technology to get fresh water, Israel is the leader in this technology, and they can help Gaza for that, but of course they require gaza to agree for peace with Israel without exception and give Israel freedom from terror threats.
The reason why Palestine state is not fully independent like Singapore is simply because they are always in warfare with their strong neighbor country, they are always obsessed on how to destroy Israel.

I may be in minority here but I think Israelis would have left Gaza alone and even let it thrive. Problem for Israel has been that Gazans are also Palestinians and they can't be detached from the events in the West Bank; and we all know what's going on in the West Bank.

The problem is that the current US administration is literally complicit. Providing weapons and other help to a rabid right wing fanatic like Netanyahu is not rational. The US hasn't won any supporters throughout the world.

The US policy boils down to Biden being a lifelong staunch self-proclaimed Zionist. The American President holds a lot of power in foreign affairs and can over-ride advice given to him even by a majority in his inner circle. I wish this senile Genocide Joe dies right now! I am willing to give Kamala Harris a chance--I don't think she could be worse than Joe.

WHAT DID OSLO ACHIEVE?
NOTHING
It only made settlement activity worse and on top of that left Palestinians completely handicapped by giving up their weapons. Hamas has at least kicked out the settlements from Gaza so unlike the PA it did accomplish something. This shows that resistance is the only way unless Israel changes their mindset with their lust of land and blood.

You are right. Oslo didn't achieve much except giving some policing powers to Palestinian security forces to manage the occupied Palestinian population in the West Bank. Only through violence will Israel be brought to reasonable compromises or concessions--both Hezbollah and Gazans demonstrated that by removing Israelis presence in south Lebanon and Gaza, respectively.

 

[Musings]

Here we go again.
You blame Israel to be racist, while Israelis show how they are deemed Kafirs by the other side, and they will kill each and every Jew sooner or later according to their scriptures. They claim that these hatred coming from their scriptures make it impossible for any peaceful solution with religious nuts on the other side.
And Israel officially has nothing to do with racism, but it offered Palestinians to accept its right to exist officially, but it were palestininas who kept on denying it.



It didn't start with Hamas, but it indeed started with Palestinians. And Hamas is now continuing the same mistake and not able to reform itself.

And please don't try to mislead people. Hamas has not taken weapons against illegal settlements, but it has taken weapons against the existence of the state of Israel.

Till the time Hamas aims to eliminate the whole state of Israel (instead of illegal settlements) till then no peace is possible.

Despite being huge supporter of Israel, not a single first world country accepted the illegal settlement. Even the voice was getting stronger and stronger against illegal settlements in the USA.

This word is not perfect. Not all things are achieved IMMEDIATELY. It took decades of peaceful resistance in South Africa to get the whole world united against the white apartheid government and to get independence. Palestinians and all its supporters need to get a lesson from it, instead of going totally against it and supporting Hamas and its so-called against Israelis civilians.



I have already made it clear above.



Please stop.
Hamas's goal is the elimination of the whole Israeli state and it is at the moment the BIGGEST reason for bloodshed in this region.
Hamas deems every Israeli settler as a target, which should either be directly eliminated in suicide bombings, rocket attacks, direct killing as on 7th October, or taken hostage despite them being civilians.

Why do Indians try to be more Jewish than Israeli?
No doubt Hamas ruthless act on 7/10 was atrocious but this didn’t start on this date. One has to factor the horrendous and vicious attacks documented. Stolen land - innocent kids shot - living as an apartheid state - being subjected to war crimes.
After 7/10 - the Israeli have killed 30,000 plus mostly innocent Palestinians.
Because of your natural in built in hatred for Muslims - it fogs your logical thinking and you dream of wearing the blue and white flag.
Now why don’t you stand back and get off your high horse. This conflict is now a genocide and innocent people are being slaughtered. Allow that to sink in and park your natural anamosity towards Muslims.
So predictable……

 

[Musings]

Anyone wanting o go back through history - I would respectfully ask you to set up a new thread and discuss it heir please - not here and they will now be deleted.
Thanks in advance

 

[Unknowntruth]

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This is Israel’s strongest weapon to date. lol

 

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