Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present

[Musings]

No, like I said my views is based on humanity and justice which is close to view of UN/ Europe/ Canada/ Japan / Korea/ etc.

If my views as views of Zionist, then I will encourage 2 options for Gaza:

1. topple hamas and get off the radicalization, establish puppet government, then make peace with Israel and cooperate in economic development / commonwealth, or
2. Let us (IDF) continue war till hamas no longer exist, and help gaza people to refuge to congo/other african country who is willing to accept, with promise to give them economic aid. Because Israel can't live together with neighbor who always obsessed to destroy her.

But since my views is humanity and justice, I will reject any possible option from Israel to expulse Palestinian from gaza.

On the other hand I will also reject Palestine desire to dismiss Israel government moreover to have Israel citizen expelled and refuge, because it is not only against UN charter, humanity and justice, but also "Evil" in nature and will cause trouble for humanity and world; besides UN also has no power to do so, likewise Russia/China has no power to force jews flee from Israel; so Palestine obsession to get rid of Israelis to Europe/other country is certainly irrational.

I would encourage Palestine and Israel to continue peace negotiation to enable them live together in 2 seperate states peacefully; of course Palestine need to realize the bargaining power they have.

You talk about humanity? You want Palestinians to trust the Israeli that have massacred 30,000 innocent people? Are you for real? You’re an occupier of land. You building on illegal land. You are an apartheid state. The actions are of an arrogant racist state. The leaders elected are some of the lowest form of human.
Your naivety is clear to see in your last paragraph. We all want a 2 state solution - Netanyahu will never allow this hence before anything positive happens - get rid of him…..

 

[Antonius123]

Quit making me laugh. You know as well as I do that if Palestinian in Israel dare to speak out against Israel, what would happen? Did you forget Palestinians with Israeli citizenship in East Jerusalem can have their residency terminated? I have friends in Israel. Did you know that many towns have racist laws against Palestinians in which they are not allowed to rent to “Arabs”? Your argument I already know is that it is not Israeli state but the people who do not want to rent to them. No, it is systemic racism when the mayors encourage it. You do know that there is lots of racism including in education?

Israeli discrimination in education.

Human Rights Watch: Second Class: Discrimination Against Palestinian Arab Children in Israel's Schools - Summary

B’Tselem – The Israeli Information Center for Human Rights

https://www.btselem.org/topic/apartheid

Your very own human rights organization in Israel calls you an apartheid state.
The Israeli regime enacts in all the territory it controls (Israeli sovereign territory, East Jerusalem, the West Bank, and the Gaza Strip) an apartheid regime



Racist laws in Israel. These are just a few.

The Jewish Nation-State Law

• One of Israel’s quasi-constitutional Basic Laws. Stipulates that the right to self-determination in Israel and the occupied Palestinian territories “is unique to the Jewish people” and encourages racial segregation and discrimination against Palestinians in housing by directing the state to promote the “development of Jewish settlement as a national value.”

2. The Law of “Return”

• Gives Jews from anywhere in the world the right to immigrate to Israel and the occupied Palestinian territories and to automatically receive Israeli citizenship. At the same time, Israel denies indigenous Palestinians who were expelled during and after Israel’s establishment their legal right to return to their homeland because they aren’t Jewish and treats Palestinian citizens of the state, who comprise more than 20% of Israel’s population, as second-class citizens.

3. The Admissions Committee Law

• Authorizes hundreds of smaller towns to set up “admissions committees” to reject applications from Palestinians, LGBTQ people, and others deemed undesirable using criteria such as being “unsuitable to the social life of the community… or the social and cultural fabric of the town.”

4. Absentee Property Law and Land Acquisition Law

• Allows Israel’s government to expropriate land and other property belonging to Palestinians who were driven from their homes during the state’s establishment. The primary tool used by Israel to steal huge amounts of land and private property from Palestinians who were expelled and denied their right to return, including many internally displaced within Israel’s borders.

5. Israel Lands Law

• Another of Israel’s quasi-constitutional Basic Laws. Stipulates that ownership of state lands can only be transferred between the government and quasi-governmental agencies like the Jewish National Fund, which only leases land to Jews. Ninety-three percent of the land in Israel is state owned. Israel's discriminatory land policies make it extremely difficult for Palestinians with Israeli citizenship to gain access to land for residential, commercial, agricultural, or other uses.

6. The Citizenship and Entry into Israel Law

• Prevents Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza who are married to Palestinian citizens of Israel from gaining residency or citizenship status, including those who were expelled from towns inside what became Israel in 1948. Forces thousands of Palestinian citizens of Israel to leave the country or live apart from their spouses and families.

7. The Nakba Law

• Bans public funding for institutions and organizations involved in commemorating the violent expulsion of three quarters of all Palestinians during Israel’s establishment as a Jewish-majority state in 1948, known to Palestinians as the “Nakba” (“catastrophe”).

There is nothing from my explanation laughable unless you dont want to try to think rationally.

You are just showing evidence supporting my comment on how Palestinian with Israel citizen behave differently with Palestinian in Gaza/West bank. Thats why Israel may think to take gaza and west bank back to be ruled by Israel government and let majority of Palestine flee as refugee, so that the remaining Palestine in gaza/wb will behave similarly with Palestine with Israel citizen under Israel control.

Maybe if Palestine state no more exist Israel government will no longer consider arab/palestinian under Israel citizen as threat then will treat them equally with jews.

Btw Israel rejection on receiving back palestine refugee is considering the security of Israel themself, as Israel put national security as prime concern; same like other points you mentioned above.

 

[Musings]

The resistance because of Hamas with their supremacist ideology.
You can see how arabs in Israel live in peace with jews; there is no resistance from arab people in Israel.

Dual passport is possible only for those who come from countries allowing dual citizenship like US, Canada, etc; but there were many aaliya came from country rejecting dual citizenship.
Israel dual passport is for many reason: business, historical context (because they came from other country), familly connection, education opportunities etc.

Your first sentence applies to Israel. Don’t forget it’s Israelis who genuinely believe they are the chosen ones.
Arabs in Israel have little choice and accept the status quo. Stockholm syndrome - look it up - that’s the way they live

 

[Antonius123]

Your first sentence applies to Israel. Don’t forget it’s Israelis who genuinely believe they are the chosen ones.
Arabs in Israel have little choice and accept the status quo. Stockholm syndrome - look it up - that’s the way they live

It is their belief, same like muslim believe that muslim is the highest. But there is no mission in Israel charter/law/sort of to eliminate Palestine or arabs in order to rule middle east.

 

[Truth]

I understand but my intention was only to laugh at their bogus claims just like the supposed 40 beheaded babies they still post about.
If he has a problem with my laughing emoji, why doesn’t he have a problem with his buddy using it on my posts? I think it’s better not to engage people like him because so far after every rebuttal they can only say but Khamas, Khamas , Khamas.

Please report such posts. They will be dealt with appropriately. His goal is only to trigger you Keep cool. It will drive them insane with rage. Trust me please.

You are ok with genocide but you are sensitive when it comes to being laughed out huh? Sorry Princess!!!

I do not go around trying to diminish Palestinian suffering and certianly not find it appropriate to stick a laughing emojii on such reports. Even if i sometime don't agree with the accuracy of those reports.

As for the topic

I have noticed how bluntly people here deny what happened.

They are simply marking themsleves as liers - this is one of the most documented massacres in human historty.

The idiots actually brought with them headgear cameras and fimed the whole thing.They did not count on 1500 of them staying behid dead , along with their cameras.

There are literally thousand of hours of photage,

Beheading , murder of children and woman in cold blood , mutilation , bodies of woman in war zone dead with their panties pulled down ( as if any one is dumb enough not to know what that means ). The camera catches it all . Seen much of it , so you can sell your lies to someone else.

I am not going to post this stuff here.

I have no intention of comemorating my people in a snuff movie.

There is more than enough of this clips online , do feel free to indulge yourself.


t

 

[Antonius123]

You talk about humanity? You want Palestinians to trust the Israeli that have massacred 30,000 innocent people? Are you for real? You’re an occupier of land. You building on illegal land. You are an apartheid state. The actions are of an arrogant racist state. The leaders elected are some of the lowest form of human.
Your naivety is clear to see in your last paragraph. We all want a 2 state solution - Netanyahu will never allow this hence before anything positive happens - get rid of him…..

If Israel has no intention for peace, then why would she left Gaza for you in year 2005? and give back West Bank area A and B to you in Oslo accord? those area were under Israel control and Israel could keep them that way always.

 

[Unknowntruth]

There is nothing from my explanation laughable unless you dont want to try to think rationally.

You are just showing evidence supporting my comment on how Palestinian with Israel citizen behave differently with Palestinian in Gaza/West bank. Thats why Israel may think to take gaza and west bank back to be ruled by Israel government and let majority of Palestine flee as refugee, so that the remaining Palestine in gaza/wb will behave similarly with Palestine with Israel citizen under Israel control.

Maybe if Palestine state no more exist Israel government will no longer consider arab/palestinian under Israel citizen as threat then will treat them equally with jews.

Btw Israel rejection on receiving back palestine refugee is considering the security of Israel themself, as Israel put national security as prime concern; same like other points you mentioned above.

Once again, I brought you evidence and you did not refute any of my evidence to Israel being an apartheid state which practices in discriminating their own “Arab” citizens. Now you acknowledge your intentions in which Israel and I QUOTE

Your statement below…
“You are just showing evidence supporting my comment on how Palestinian with Israel citizen behave differently with Palestinian in Gaza/West bank. Thats why Israel may think to take gaza and west bank back to be ruled by Israel government and let majority of Palestine flee as refugee, so that the remaining Palestine in gaza/wb will behave similarly with Palestine with Israel citizen under Israel control.“

There is no reasoning with you people because you show your intentions quite clear. It’s not that Palestinians do not want peace but it’s quite clear that Israel is not a a partner for peace. This is a racist apartheid state who is hell bent on occupying the entirety of Palestine and ethnic cleansing enough people to be the majority to have their “Jewish State”.

 

[Meengla]

Why do you think Europe will be willing to accept Jews as refugees? especially as you said they hate jews?

And more important & challenging question is: why would Israel government want to dismiss themself and instruct their citizen to flee to Europe?

Doesnt it sound ridiculous?

Europe doesn't want Jews back in large numbers!! And Jews don't want to go back to Europe either, given the long long history of the pogroms against the Jews there. The real Torah Jews know that, relatively speaking, they had it far better among Muslims / under Muslim governance; even a staunch Israel supporter like Daniel Pipes admits that much.

As for Israelis fleeing Israel--it is just human nature: When you can use your dual passport to escape a war, you'd. When Portugal is giving a 'refugee' status within hours, as it is doing, to Israelis right now, then you'd flee.

It is already a terrible situation in Israel due to the current conflict where an already tiny country population is squished into central Israel--fleeing Gazans/Houthis in the south and fleeing Hezbollah in the north. You can put displaced people in hotels but that gets old quickly. Plus who'd want to live in daily sirens wailing--who'd risk investments in such places? There are nearby alternates in Turkey, Greece, Cyprus etc.

 

[marj786]

There is nothing from my explanation laughable unless you dont want to try to think rationally.

You are just showing evidence supporting my comment on how Palestinian with Israel citizen behave differently with Palestinian in Gaza/West bank. Thats why Israel may think to take gaza and west bank back to be ruled by Israel government and let majority of Palestine flee as refugee, so that the remaining Palestine in gaza/wb will behave similarly with Palestine with Israel citizen under Israel control.

Maybe if Palestine state no more exist Israel government will no longer consider arab/palestinian under Israel citizen as threat then will treat them equally with jews.

Btw Israel rejection on receiving back palestine refugee is considering the security of Israel themself, as Israel put national security as prime concern; same like other points you mentioned above.

Your last lines about his other points seem to effectively counter the point of apartheid regime existence on stolen land. What an intellectual you are . Truly you won't get our point and you have been debating for many days .

 

[Unknowntruth]

I do not go around trying to diminish Palestinian suffering and certianly not find it appropriate to stick a lughing imoji on such reports. Even if i sometime don't agree with the accuracy of those reports.

As for the topic

I have noticed how bluntly people here deny what happened.

They are simply marking themsleves as liers - this is one of the most documented massacres in human historty.

The idiots actually brought with them headgear cameras and fimed the whole thing.They did not count on 1500 of them staying behid dead along with their cameras.

There are literally thousand of hours of photage,

Beheading , murder of children and woman in cold blood , mutilation , bodies woman in war zone dead with their panties pulled down , the camera catches it all , seen it , so you can srll your lies to someone else.

I am not going to post this stuff here.

I have no intention of comemorating my people in a snuff movie.

There is more than enough of this clips unline , do feel free to indulge yourself.


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I am sorry for posting an emoji of you trying to distort facts in order to whitewash Israeli crimes. Does this make you feel better now?

 

[marj786]

The

Europe doesn't want Jews back in large numbers!! And Jews don't want to go back to Europe either, given the long long history of the pogroms against the Jews there. The real Torah Jews know that, relatively speaking, they had it far better among Muslims / under Muslim governance; even a staunch Israel supporter like Daniel Pipes admits that much.

As for Israelis fleeing Israel--it is just human nature: When you can use your dual passport to escape a war, you'd. When Portugal is giving a 'refugee' status within hours, as it is doing, to Israelis right now, then you'd flee.

It is already a terrible situation in Israel due to the current conflict where an already tiny country population is squished into central Israel--fleeing Gazans/Houthis in the south and fleeing Hezbollah in the north. You can put displaced people in hotels but that gets old quickly. Plus who'd want to live in daily sirens wailing--who'd risk investments in such places? There are nearby alternates in Turkey, Greece, Cyprus etc.

I do not go around trying to diminish Palestinian suffering and certianly not find it appropriate to stick a lughing imoji on such reports. Even if i sometime don't agree with the accuracy of those reports.

As for the topic

I have noticed how bluntly people here deny what happened.

They are simply marking themsleves as liers - this is one of the most documented massacres in human historty.

The idiots actually brought with them headgear cameras and fimed the whole thing.They did not count on 1500 of them staying behid dead along with their cameras.

There are literally thousand of hours of photage,

Beheading , murder of children and woman in cold blood , mutilation , bodies of woman in war zone dead with their panties pulled down ( as if antone is dumb enough not to know what that means ) , the camera catches it all .Seen much of it , so you can sell your lies to someone else.

I am not going to post this stuff here.

I have no intention of comemorating my people in a snuff movie.

There is more than enough of this clips online , do feel free to indulge yourself.


t

No we simply don't believe because anything coming out of an apartheid state is a lie told to keep it's crumbling state on its feet . Go tell your lies where people are idiots.

 

[Unknowntruth]

Your last lines about his other points seem to effectively counter the point of apartheid regime existence on stolen land. What an intellectual you are . Truly you won't get our point and you have been debating for many days .

They just keep digging themselves a bigger hole, they always manage to out themselves. I do not know if they are too dumb to realize what they are saying or they are just this brainwashed that they think this is ok.

 

[marj786]

I do not go around trying to diminish Palestinian suffering and certianly not find it appropriate to stick a laughing emojii on such reports. Even if i sometime don't agree with the accuracy of those reports.

As for the topic

I have noticed how bluntly people here deny what happened.

They are simply marking themsleves as liers - this is one of the most documented massacres in human historty.

The idiots actually brought with them headgear cameras and fimed the whole thing.They did not count on 1500 of them staying behid dead , along with their cameras.

There are literally thousand of hours of photage,

Beheading , murder of children and woman in cold blood , mutilation , bodies of woman in war zone dead with their panties pulled down ( as if antone is dumb enough not to know what that means ) , the camera catches it all .Seen much of it , so you can sell your lies to someone else.

I am not going to post this stuff here.

I have no intention of comemorating my people in a snuff movie.

There is more than enough of this clips online , do feel free to indulge yourself.


t

And it's not only present IDF cowards but previous cowards who are mocking the oppressed. The whole world and this forum has documented evidence of their disgusting actions.
Don't come here and spread your lies in a veil of decency.

 

[Antonius123]

Once again, I brought you evidence and you did not refute any of my evidence to Israel being an apartheid state which practices in discriminating their own “Arab” citizens. Now you acknowledge your intentions in which Israel and I QUOTE

Your statement below…
“You are just showing evidence supporting my comment on how Palestinian with Israel citizen behave differently with Palestinian in Gaza/West bank. Thats why Israel may think to take gaza and west bank back to be ruled by Israel government and let majority of Palestine flee as refugee, so that the remaining Palestine in gaza/wb will behave similarly with Palestine with Israel citizen under Israel control.“

There is no reasoning with you people because you show your intentions quite clear. It’s not that Palestinians do not want peace but it’s quite clear that Israel is not a a partner for peace. This is a racist apartheid state who is hell bent on occupying the entirety of Palestine and ethnic cleansing enough people to be the majority to have their “Jewish State”.

I am refuting your claim saying there will be resistant if Israel rule gaza; by showing you how arab/palestine people with Israel citizenship has not been resistant toward Israel government is refuting it and support my claim that the resistance is because they are under strong Hamas influence.

Accusation of Israel being apartheid has been refuted several days ago so I dont need to repeat again.

Why do you like changing topic in the middle of discussion a certain topic? Good discussion is by focussing on topic.

But if you want to flip to apartheid accusation topic again, my explanation is: the principle of equality is enshrined in Israel's Declaration of Independence, which states that the State of Israel "will ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion, race, or sex."

The samples you bring above is more about security concern rather than apartheid purpose.

 

[Unknowntruth]

If Israel has no intention for peace, then why would she left Gaza for you in year 2005? and give back West Bank area A and B to you in Oslo accord? those area were under Israel control and Israel could keep them that way always.

You did not leave on your own will, Hamas forced you to leave. The punishment Hamas was giving you in Gaza was not worth protecting those settlements.

You did not give back anything, have you forgotten those settlements in West Bank are illegal under international law? If it was your land, those settlements wouldn’t be illegal.