Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present

[The SC]

#Gaza before the war
#Gaza before October 7.

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[Liquidator]

senior Iranian security official :

Gaza ceasefire can delay Iran's Israel response​

DUBAI/BEIRUT, Aug 13 (Reuters) - Only a ceasefire deal in Gaza stemming from hoped-for talks this week would hold Iran back from direct retaliation against Israel for the assassination of Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh on its soil, three senior Iranian officials said.
Iran has vowed a severe response to Haniyeh's killing, which took place as he visited Tehran late last month and which it blamed on Israel. Israel has neither confirmed or denied its involvement. The U.S. Navy has deployed warships and a submarine to the Middle East to bolster Israeli defenses.

One of the sources, a senior Iranian security official, said Iran, along with allies such as Hezbollah, would launch a direct attack if the Gaza talks fail or it perceives Israel is dragging out negotiations. The sources did not say how long Iran would allow for talks to progress before responding.

With an increased risk of a broader Middle East war after the killings of Haniyeh and Hezbollah commander Fuad Shukr, Iran has been involved in intense dialogue with Western countries and the United States in recent days on ways to calibrate retaliation, said the sources, who all spoke on condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of the matter.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/only-gaza-ceasefire-can-delay-irans-israel-response-sources-say-2024-08-13/

Here's some truth for ya

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Israelis proud of raping. You really are the scum of the earth.

 

[Meengla]

Depends
They are long term strategists. I trust their judgement.
So far, the axis of resistance have managed the situation well. The Israeli economy is shattered, the North is inhabitable.
They shouldn't give Israel what it wants which is an excuse for a full blown war.

Exactly what I was planning to say!
I don't find any credible analyst who are saying that Americans want a regional war; everyone knows it is Israel, or Netanyahu specifically, who wants a regional war. Even Gallant doesn't want it--at least not right now, if you saw his statement yesterday where he rubbished Netanyahu's 'Total Victory' idea.
I also think Americans are prodding Netanyahu to a ceasefire and Gallant's statement is an indirect confirmation of that.

 

[Liquidator]

Exactly what I was planning to say!
I don't find any credible analyst who are saying that Americans want a regional war; everyone knows it is Israel, or Netanyahu specifically, who wants a regional war. Even Gallant doesn't want it--at least not right now, if you saw his statement yesterday where he rubbished Netanyahu's 'Total Victory' idea.
I also think Americans are prodding Netanyahu to a ceasefire and Gallant's statement is an indirect confirmation of that.

I think if Iran attacks, the blood thirsty Anglo saxons will probably attack Iran. They follow judeo-christian values and so the attack on Iran will probably entail large number of civilian casualties. Playing dirty, disregard for human life etc. has got them where they are today. Other nations simply cannot stoop to that level due to their superior moral standards

They will do everything they can to protect their mad dog.

This is what Iran has to balance. One way to balance this is a credible nuclear deterrence.

This must include a second strike capability.

 

[Meengla]

This is what Iran has to balance. One way to balance this is a credible nuclear deterrence.
This must include a second strike capability.

You are right.
And from watching last few days of good analysts, especially Trita Parsi who I immensely respect for his reading of the American policy and the Iranian capabilities, he is saying that it would be 'suicidal' for Iran to engage in a direct war against America--a war which America doesn't even want.
Against that backdrop: Iran remains patient for now. Americans go back to America. A few weeks or months later, Israelis again assassinate someone in Iran to provoke, Iran again threatens, America is again forced to mobilize. Who continues to bleed people to emigrate, flight of capital, erosion of confidence of investors.
Rinse and repeat.
Who wins in that situation? Not Israel.

 

[Davey Crockett]

The end of Israel’s economy​

As Israel’s genocidal war against Gaza continues unabated, the Israeli economy is facing a catastrophe. The physical destruction in Israel from the war has been minimal, but one thing has been destroyed: its future.
By Shir Hever July 19, 2024

The end of Israel’s economy

As Israel’s genocidal war against Gaza continues unabated, the Israeli economy is facing a catastrophe. The physical destruction in Israel from the war has been minimal, but one thing has been destroyed: its future.

mondoweiss.net

 

[Liquidator]

You are right.
And from watching last few days of good analysts, especially Trita Parsi who I immensely respect for his reading of the American policy and the Iranian capabilities, he is saying that it would be 'suicidal' for Iran to engage in a direct war against America--a war which America doesn't even want.
Against that backdrop: Iran remains patient for now. Americans go back to America. A few weeks or months later, Israelis again assassinate someone in Iran to provoke, Iran again threatens, America is again forced to mobilize. Who continues to bleed people to emigrate, flight of capital, erosion of confidence of investors.
Rinse and repeat.
Who wins in that situation? Not Israel.

Some say their economic destruction is akin to being nuked anyway.

 

[PakFactor]

Some say their economic destruction is akin to being nuked anyway.

The Americans and allies will pump the economy with liquidity to sustain it.

 

[Solomon2]

...The core truth is that the genocidal frenzy of killing, rape, torture, kidnapping, and mutilation that Hamas launched in Israel on Oct. 7 were crimes of monstrous evil that every American should stand against.

Israel is fighting to ensure that it will never happen again. People of goodwill here and abroad should reject propaganda that conflates genocide with the heartbreak of casualties in defensive war and that dishonestly portrays Israel — which is combatting genocide no less heroically and necessarily than did our fighting forces in Europe in the 1940s — as a perpetrator of that infamous crime.

Rosenbaum, Einhorn, Coleman, Feldman, Greenberg, Mausner and Sunshine previously served as prosecutors in the United States Justice Department, Criminal Division, Office of Special Investigations (OSI). Rosenbaum also served as OSI’s director from 1995 to 2010; later as director of Human Rights Enforcement Strategy and Policy in OSI’s successor Human Rights and Special Prosecutions Section; and finally, until his retirement this year, as the Justice Department’s counselor for War Crimes Accountability and founding head of its War Crimes Accountability Team.

 

[Meengla]

The end of Israel’s economy​

As Israel’s genocidal war against Gaza continues unabated, the Israeli economy is facing a catastrophe. The physical destruction in Israel from the war has been minimal, but one thing has been destroyed: its future.
By Shir Hever July 19, 2024

The end of Israel’s economy

As Israel’s genocidal war against Gaza continues unabated, the Israeli economy is facing a catastrophe. The physical destruction in Israel from the war has been minimal, but one thing has been destroyed: its future.

mondoweiss.net

Some say their economic destruction is akin to being nuked anyway.

This is very interesting to not only you but also our Demographics expert @hussain0216 and others.
I am only quoting the most relevant part of the video:

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[Solomon2]

Hey, Meengla, perhaps you should consider the Nietzsche quote more closely? Because the anti-Israel insanity I see here is awfully close to the madness that gripped W. Pakistan in 1971. Is that really something you need to continue to embrace, rather than work to reject?

 

[SaadH]

You are right.
And from watching last few days of good analysts, especially Trita Parsi who I immensely respect for his reading of the American policy and the Iranian capabilities, he is saying that it would be 'suicidal' for Iran to engage in a direct war against America--a war which America doesn't even want.
Against that backdrop: Iran remains patient for now. Americans go back to America. A few weeks or months later, Israelis again assassinate someone in Iran to provoke, Iran again threatens, America is again forced to mobilize. Who continues to bleed people to emigrate, flight of capital, erosion of confidence of investors.
Rinse and repeat.
Who wins in that situation? Not Israel.

Iran's patience and their lip service doesn't help the daily massacres of Palestinian children, Iran can afford to be patient but Palestinian children getting killed and mutilated daily can't.

As for making Netanyahu the scapegoat for the whole genocide is highly problematic, the whole of West particularly US are equal partners in this worst of crimes and cannot be let off easily by shifting the whole blame to Netanyahu.

 

[SaadH]

The end of Israel’s economy​

As Israel’s genocidal war against Gaza continues unabated, the Israeli economy is facing a catastrophe. The physical destruction in Israel from the war has been minimal, but one thing has been destroyed: its future.
By Shir Hever July 19, 2024

The end of Israel’s economy

As Israel’s genocidal war against Gaza continues unabated, the Israeli economy is facing a catastrophe. The physical destruction in Israel from the war has been minimal, but one thing has been destroyed: its future.

mondoweiss.net

Wishful thinking, Israel through zionists controls whole Western economic bloc, both EU and US, this is a temporary blip. Israel's economy and living standards are propped up each year by massive subsidies, aid and financial backing from Western institutions, corporations and individuals. Whenever the assault on Gazans ends, all these entities will rush back in to prop up the holyland of their masters. Zionists will burn the whole Western world down to the ground before letting Israel struggle economically or let the baby killers in Israel go hungry.

 

[Meengla]

Hey, Meengla, perhaps you should consider the Nietzsche quote more closely? Because the anti-Israel insanity I see here is awfully close to the madness that gripped W. Pakistan in 1971. Is that really something you need to continue to embrace, rather than work to reject?

I don't know why you keep bringing 1971 into this? By the 'madness' quote, it applies everywhere, every era, every civilization because that's what human beings are.--especially those who think they can get away with it. You know, the 'madness' in Rwanda in the 90s where one group thought they can massacre with impunity.

Iran's patience and their lip service doesn't help the daily massacres of Palestinian children, Iran can afford to be patient but Palestinian children getting killed and mutilated daily can't.

As for making Netanyahu the scapegoat for the whole genocide is highly problematic, the whole of West particularly US are equal partners in this worst of crimes and cannot be let off easily by shifting the whole blame to Netanyahu.

Yes, the Americans are truly the enablers of this genocide but I don't think there is a 100% match between Netanyahu's personal goals vs the American interests.
As to the massacres in Gaza, as long as the defacto Caliph of the Islamic World, which is currently Saudi Arabia, won't help the Palestinians, then a collective Muslim response was not happening--and hasn't happened. The Gazans had to start a conflict due to their circumstances and they are suffering--not even Iran is willing to risk total destruction of Iran for a few million Palestinians when the Sunni Arab rich govts are unwilling to help.
PS. When the World Jewry declared war on Hitler in 1933, they knew there were millions of Jews in Europe who'd be persecuted but the Jews were willing to pay the price--and they paid a price. So is the fate of the Palestinians, whose struggle is still ongoing. Wailing like women won't help--fight is needed!

 

[Alter_Ego]

Iran's patience and their lip service doesn't help the daily massacres of Palestinian children, Iran can afford to be patient but Palestinian children getting killed and mutilated daily can't.

As for making Netanyahu the scapegoat for the whole genocide is highly problematic, the whole of West particularly US are equal partners in this worst of crimes and cannot be let off easily by shifting the whole blame to Netanyahu.

Israel society and its supporters are collectively responsible for the henious crimes. No way talking out of it.

People must be held accountable for what they support, especially when it concerns animalistic genocide