Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present

[Meengla]

You say you destroyed AQ, many would say AQ duped the U.S into defeat in Afghanistan and a pointless war in Iraq which took apart the western order and gave space and time to china, Russia and others to develop whilst the U.S took trillions of debt banging it's head on the Taliban

Absolutely true!!
No one likes the likes of Al Qaida or ISIL but their heinous acts of terrorism is leading to another situation like WW 2 where Hitler damaged the West so much that the Soviets emerged as a Super Power and many countries got their independence; and more recently, the Chinese have emerged as a Great Power because of the American 'activities' in the Middle East dictated by the Zionist moles in America. The on-going conflict in Palestine suits Russia and China just F.I.N.E fine!

Back to the ground--and no one knows the ground war in Gaza better than John Ulmer!! @Aziqbal and @Persian Gulf are the hardware people so including them.

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[hussain0216]

Absolutely true!!
No one likes the likes of Al Qaida or ISIL but their heinous acts of terrorism is leading to another situation like WW 2 where Hitler damaged the West so much that the Soviets emerged as a Super Power and many countries got their independence; and more recently, the Chinese have emerged as a Great Power because of the American 'activities' in the Middle East dictated by the Zionist moles in America. The on-going conflict in Palestine suits Russia and China just F.I.N.E fine!

Back to the ground--and no one knows the ground war in Gaza better than John Ulmer!! @Aziqbal and @Persian Gulf are the hardware people so including them.

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Even today, the Zionists control of America has added billions more of debt
Has destroyed the moral authority of the U.S and west and has created deep seated anger and resentment across the middle east and the world

So whilst the U.S spends billions keeping Israel afloat destroying it's moral authority, picking a war with the Russians

The Chinese must be laughing their heads off, not only do they get time to continue on their merry path of development but get to use their influence to gain allies and influence amongst a increasingly agitated and dissatisfied world

 

[Ali_Baba]

Sure, there will still technically be an Hamas group, just like there’s still an Al Qaeda. But just as the US destroyed AQ to the point of irrelevance, Israel has done the same to Hamas. Hamas is effectively finished, and it will take them many years to get back to a pre 10/7 group if ever.

I disagree. Hamas had very little to begin with - and nothing that they cannot reconstitute.

How much has Israel lost - and can it ever recover from this ?

 

[That_Guy]

In Gaza, Israel’s Military Has Reached the End of the Line, U.S. Officials Say​

Israel has severely set back Hamas but will never be able to completely eliminate the group, U.S. officials said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/14/us/politics/israel-military-gaza-war.html

Hamas now is pretty much solidified. Israel has failed in all its stated goals. The war is pretty much over, Israel just doesn't realize it yet.

 

[Meengla]

The Chinese must be laughing their heads off, not only do they get time to continue on their merry path of development but get to use their influence to gain allies and influence amongst a increasingly agitated and dissatisfied world

No question about it.
Where is 'pivot' to China which Obama had announced? Where is the chatter about 'Indo Pacific' in the Western mainstream media lately? Even on the Russian front, the recent Russian setbacks in Kursk is going to finally force Putin to target American interests more forcefully such as in the Middle East; more bad news for Israel.

 

[Ali_Baba]

In Gaza, Israel’s Military Has Reached the End of the Line, U.S. Officials Say​

Israel has severely set back Hamas but will never be able to completely eliminate the group, U.S. officials said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/14/us/politics/israel-military-gaza-war.html

Hamas now is pretty much solidified. Israel has failed in all its stated goals. The war is pretty much over, Israel just doesn't realize it yet.

And - Israel's problems will continue with ICC arrests, and the ICJ case and a strengthened BDS movement.

 

[hussain0216]

No question about it.
Where is 'pivot' to China which Obama had announced? Where is the chatter about 'Indo Pacific' in the Western mainstream media lately? Even on the Russian front, the recent Russian setbacks in Kursk is going to finally force Putin to target American interests more forcefully such as in the Middle East; more bad news for Israel.

In reality china couldn't give a crap about Russia

If 1 million Russians die
And 1 million Ukrainians die
Who cares, that's 2 million dead white Christians, why would China or even Iran really give a crap

What the U.S is doing is weakening Russia nicely so it becomes almost enslaved to China

China gets low priced oil and gas in exchange for full filing the massive Russian need for products

Russia embittered and angry will increasingly target Ukraine and Western interests

Israel has been burden for the U.S for a long long time now and now it's become dangerous for the U.S

 

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[Solomon2]

• Thursday, August 15, 2024
• 
  Elder of Ziyon

Hamas is guilty of genocide - against Palestinians​

Hamas is Perpetrating Genocide Against—Gazans

There is no shortage of people claiming that Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza. That the allegation is not merely false but ludicrous has been established by, among others, military expert John Spencer, seven experts on genocide, and friend of the blog Andrew Pessin. An essential component of “genocide” is intent, and that, as Spencer puts it, “Israel has taken more measures to avoid needless civilian harm than virtually any other nation that's fought an urban war,” is simply indisputable. These measures include the massive aid Israel facilitates to Gaza, the building of field hospitals, the existence of military units to minimize civilian damage, and the millions of leaflets and phone calls warning civilians, not to mention all the explicit statements made by Israeli political and military leaders that their war is with Hamas—and that the war ends immediately when Hamas surrenders and returns the hostages.

In fact, as Pessin has noted, the only genocidal party to the conflict is Hamas, against the Jews:

Hamas, the [direct] descendant of the same Muslim Brotherhood that contributed to the Nazis’ genocide of the Jews, the organization whose charter openly endorses the genocide of all Jews, who attempted an act of genocide on October 7, and who has openly and repeatedly declared its intentions to “repeat October 7” as many times as is necessary to remove the Jews.

But what hasn’t been appreciated is that Hamas is also guilty of genocide—against Gazans. They are in fact engaging in the genocide of their own people.

One of the definitions of genocide under the international Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide is "Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part." And this is exactly what Hamas has been doing to the Gazan civilian population.

Hamas initiated the war with its barbaric massacre on October 7, a massive escalation that they knew would bring a similarly massive Israeli military response. They know that they are the target of Israeli airstrikes whenever hostilities break out. Yet for nearly two decades, they have not built a single bomb shelter for the people, even as they dug hundreds of miles of tunnels and bunkers for themselves. They knew that Israel would attempt to kill them and then deliberately created an infrastructure where the civilians of Gaza would literally be in the way. For two decades they had every opportunity to move their military facilities away from the people. But they didn't. As a matter of deliberate strategy.

In 2014, Ghazi Hamad, a senior Hamas official, admitted that sometimes Hamas fired rockets from residential areas, although he claimed they were "mistakes." Yet the evidence that Hamas fires from houses, mosques, schools, and “safe” humanitarian areas, and does on a regular basis, and has done so for years, is overwhelming. Just this week they released a video of themselves, in civilian clothes, firing two rockets from inside a tent in a humanitarian area. They do this knowing Israel will quite legitimately strike back—which means they are calculating actions that will bring about the physical destruction of Gaza, its civilians, in whole or in part.

They expect huge amounts of damage and death of civilians. They create the circumstances for it to happen. And they do so deliberately, in full knowledge of the consequences.

And these are just the tip of the iceberg. They don’t merely fire from civilian buildings that should be “protected” by international humanitarian law but have fully militarized them, using hospitals, houses, mosques, and schools as command centers, to house their servers and fighters, to store weapons, to hide hostages in, and so forth, thus converting them into legitimate military targets. They have built those hundreds of miles of military tunnels under literally every building, booby-trapping buildings, making nearly every building a legitimate military target. Those booby-traps, and the extensive use of IEDs, have caused the deaths of numerous IDF soldiers in recent months; but unreported is how many ordinary Gazans may have been killed by Hamas simply trying to enter their booby-trapped homes or on the way.

They have turned all of Gaza into a life-threatening, legitimate military target.

And yet there’s more.

Numerous reports confirm Hamas’s efforts to prevent civilians from moving out of harm’s way, by blocking or blowing up roads or again by shooting them. Numerous reports also confirm that Hamas regularly steals the humanitarian aid that Israel helps deliver, often shooting Gazans who try to access the aid (or otherwise resist their rule). They have repeatedly attacked the very crossings that deliver the aid, shutting them down for days until Israel takes it upon itself to repair them and resume deliveries. In just one incident in May, 2024, Hamas killed four IDF soldiers in an attack on the Kerem Shalom crossing, shutting down one of the largest aid-crossing sites. Just reflect on the absurdity of this situation: Hamas, the rulers of Gaza, kill Israeli soldiers to stop the delivery of aid to Gazan civilians, while Israel sacrifices its soldiers to continue the delivery of aid, to Gazan civilians—and yet Israel is charged with “genocide”!

Not only do they deliberately use civilians as human shields across the entire Gaza Strip, in other words, they murder them to prevent them from escaping the danger and undertake extensive actions to deprive them of humanitarian aid—to starve them, in effect, while turning their abodes and places of refuge into legitimate military targets and thus sites to be destroyed.

All of the above occurs, undeniably, deliberately, with the intent essential for “genocide”: Hamas repeatedly undertakes actions that either directly cause, or whose clearly foreseeable consequences are, conditions bringing about the physical destruction, in part or in whole, of the Gazan civilian population. Murdering people attempting to get to safety, and starving them by stealing their aid, are as direct as can be, while initiating the war in the first place with that barbaric massacre, after having turned the entire Strip into a military site, is only slightly less so.

And finally, their own statements prove that they want to see the deaths of their own people.

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In just one of many similar statements by various Hamas leaders, late Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh said in October, "I have said this before, and I say it time again: The blood of the women, children, and elderly…...We are the ones who need this blood, so it awakens within us the revolutionary spirit, so it awakens within us resolve, so it awakens within us the spirit of challenge, and [pushes us] to move forward."

Hamas is perpetrating genocide—against its own people.

 

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[Solomon2]

...people started calling him a “traitor.” And as he told me in this interview, the word traitor means something in the West Bank. “It means they are going to kill you.”

...I asked him if he regrets what he posted. He said no. He said that remaining silent in the face of the atrocities would have made him no different from those who committed the crimes...

... I know that I had to do it. I think everyone should speak up. Without speaking up, nobody can make a difference or create change. People only see hate from both sides. You don’t see someone who is standing up condemning what’s wrong. And by speaking today, it’s my chance to show there’s a different side to what’s going on -
...they don’t really care about the well-being of the Palestinian people. Death benefits them. This is why they continue. They have no regard for Israeli or Palestinian life. I don’t think kidnapping children, toddlers, and women can be called freedom fighting. And anyone who tried to justify it should be ashamed of themselves.