Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present

[Musings]

Israeli attacking United Nation Aid company
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Hardly the odd stray bullet. The grouping is together - meant to kill. Another war crime.
Of course the Israeli will tell us the car was carrying legitimate Hamas targets........ and the world will believe.....................

 

[BHAN85]

Your question can't be answered by anyone--I had asked similar questions in the past before. However, this conflict is essentially secular in nature and no need to go into theological debates over it.

I will not deny your point of view. Muslims would act the same if in their countries Western women are out in revealing clothes. It's just in human nature. We are all tribal. We are all human beings. But you should know that, by being the vassals of the American Neo Cons, you Europeans are a party to the destruction in Eurasia and the destruction will continue to send waves of migrants to you. If you are French, then Libya is almost across from you. That country attracted workers from all over Africa. Now even the citizens of that country desperately leave for Europe. Whose fault was that? @BHAN85


He is one of my topmost favorites about diplomatic matters. Come to think of it, no one knows the diplomatic angle better than Alastair Crooke. And what a gentleman!!

France destroyed Libya, @BP2 should complain to his rulers.

Libya is a endless hell, impossible to make that stable like in Gadafi age.

 

[Persian Gulf]

ok, then do not retaliate, i do not follow your logic.

my logic is only to correct you that there is air defence that covers Gaza, nothing else.

 

[mulj]

my logic is only to correct you that there is air defence that covers Gaza, nothing else.

i tought that is obvious factor to be taken in consideration like any other target in occupied territories but due distance and non importance till now of that place it is logical to assume that this specific area is less covered with ABM protection.

 

[Ali_Baba]

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The other interesting item is that recently the polish foreign minister said that there were masses of new applications for new polish passports from polish descended Israelis. Reclaiming citizenship is a multi month to years effort for the application, the verification and then citizenship. So those who wanted to and could leave, have left. However they maybe many more thousands to hundreds of thousands of Israelis who want to leave but cannot as they are still in the application process.

I am certain that this is the case in other European countries aswell given the bulk of the Israeli population is from Western Europe.

I do think the story of people leaving Israel is not over yet. We may have witnessed the peak of the inflection point of the Israeli population. From now on it will progressively decline with those families who have left to not return and therefore not making babies in Israel, those who want to leave but waiting on new citizenship papers to be sorted and then those who want families but the economic downturn has put a break on their plans.

Being a citizen of a country that is being bought up for genocide is not a good association. People don’t want that stain to follow them around everywhere they go.

 

[Meengla]

Really? Israel hasn't lost any of the main powers in Europe, it still has them by the balls (and wallet and military factories)- UK, Germany, France.
As soon as UK's new prime minister took power, he wasted no time in supporting Israel's genocide.
These top EU powers have spent and sent considerable resources supporting Israel, especially during this Gaza war.

Your Optimism is now sneaking into delusion my friend.. Israel still have EU backing them, and TBH they don't need them, they have America and its Govt/Military that's all they need, only country that can stop this massacre is America or Saudi Arabia, and both are in their pockets.

It was late at night my time when I posted that and I didn't elaborate.
Yes, really, Israel has lost Europe on a public level and Israelis know that and they even say so if you care to visit various English language Israeli sites! And that is not a surprise given the growing global awareness and diminishing memories of the European guilt over the Holocaust. I follow Comments to various news outlets--German, French--and look at common people's perspective more than the official positions or even articles/editorials and the Israeli losses is an unmistakable conclusion I have drawn.
The govts of Europe are a different matter. They are essentially American vassals. But even there Spain, Norway and Ireland and even some others have broken some taboos; officially Israelis are irate about those countries.
The level of antipathy toward Israel is increasing in Europe. But, as @Starlord says: Israelis don't really care as long as they have the Americans in their pocket.

 

[Meengla]

France destroyed Libya, @BP2 should complain to his rulers.
Libya is a endless hell, impossible to make that stable like in Gadafi age.

It is for all Europeans to ponder. How can they benefit when the American Neo Cons destroy the Middle East, leading to waves of immigrants heading to the European shores. In case of Libya, per my understanding, it was a basically a French initiative to topple Qaddafi, it was the Americans who provided the real muscle.
Well, Europe has it coming. And not only from the destruction of the Middle East but also from the destructive war between Russia-Ukraine which may expand and become even more destructive. We in America will watch from a safe distance and even profit from the conflicts, as we always did. [That's not my personal desire, to clarify!]

 

[Meengla]

The other interesting item is that recently the polish foreign minister said that there were masses of new applications for new polish passports from polish descended Israelis. Reclaiming citizenship is a multi month to years effort for the application, the verification and then citizenship. So those who wanted to and could leave, have left. However they maybe many more thousands to hundreds of thousands of Israelis who want to leave but cannot as they are still in the application process.

I am certain that this is the case in other European countries aswell given the bulk of the Israeli population is from Western Europe.

I do think the story of people leaving Israel is not over yet. We may have witnessed the peak of the inflection point of the Israeli population. From now on it will progressively decline with those families who have left to not return and therefore not making babies in Israel, those who want to leave but waiting on new citizenship papers to be sorted and then those who want families but the economic downturn has put a break on their plans.

Being a citizen of a country that is being bought up for genocide is not a good association. People don’t want that stain to follow them around everywhere they go.

Good point.
But honestly it is difficult to find credible information about the emigration of people from Israel. It is an extremely sore subject in Israel!! Someone right said above that Israel depleting its Jewish population to emigration is like dropping a nuke on Israel!

From the Israeli sites, it is the usual propaganda: Some dozen European Jews arriving at the Ben Gurion Airport and photographed with broad smiles to confirm that Aaliyah is happening during even this conflict. WTH! Who would leave Europe for Israel especially right now!

 

[Davey Crockett]

 

[Kermit]

Israel strikes aid convoy organized by U.S. humanitarian group, killing 5​

The Anera convoy was carrying medical supplies and fuel to a hospital in Rafah, and its route was coordinated in advance with the IDF.


August 30, 2024 at 6:54 a.m. EDT
The Israeli military fired a missile killing five people in the lead vehicle of an aid convoy organized by a U.S.-based humanitarian group, which it claimed had been hijacked by militants.
The D.C.-based nonprofit, American Near East Refugee Aid, known as Anera, described it as a “shocking incident” in a statement on Friday and said that those killed were from a local transportation company. It was urgently seeking more details about the incident.


The convoy had been delivering medical supplies and fuel to an Emirati-run hospital in Rafah, Palestine Country Director Sandra Rasheed said in the statement to The Washington Post, and its route was coordinated with the Israel Defense Forces.

“The convoy included an Anera employee who was fortunately unharmed,” she added.
The deadly strike in southern Gaza on Thursday comes just days after a World Food Program truck was fired on in the enclave and amid an increasingly strained environment in which humanitarian organizations are operating.

In its account of the incident, the IDF said the gunmen had seized the lead vehicle of the convoy, prompting the attack.

“During the convoy’s journey, armed militants took control of a vehicle at the front of the convoy,” the IDF said. “An attack was carried out against them. No other vehicles in the convoy were harmed, and it reached its destination as planned.”

The IDF said the “attack on the militants removed the threat to the humanitarian convoy,” adding that “the presence of armed militants within a humanitarian convoy without coordination is against regulations, complicates the security of the convoys and their personnel, and thus undermines the humanitarian effort in Gaza.”
Humanitarian groups providing desperately needed aid in Gaza have repeatedly come under attack during the war, raising concerns about the system used to coordinate routes and the IDF’s approach to the conflict. According to the United Nations, more than 280 humanitarian workers have been killed since the war in Gaza began in October.

Seven World Central Kitchen aid workers were killed in an Israeli airstrike in April, making global headlines. Israeli forces at the time also believed, incorrectly, that militants were present in the convoy.


An Anera employee, Mousa Shawwa, a logistics coordinator in Gaza, was killed on March 8 by an Israeli airstrike while he was in a deconflicted shelter, the charity’s CEO Sean Carroll told The Washington Post at the time. The relief worker’s 6-year-old son, Karim, also died 10 days later from injuries suffered during the attack, he said.
Thursday’s incident is one of several such attacks this week. In remarks to the United Nations Security Council on Thursday, the U.S. representative, Robert Wood, referred to an incident that occurred on Sunday, according to U.N. officials, in which he said the IDF fired toward a UNICEF vehicle.
On Tuesday, at least 10 bullets were fired into a World Food Program vehicle, which the United Nations blamed on Israel and prompted WFP to temporarily suspend staff movement across Gaza. Wood said the Biden administration was “deeply alarmed” by Tuesday’s shooting and urged Israel to “immediately rectify the issues within their system that allowed this to happen.”


Mercy Corps vice president of global policy and advocacy, Kate Phillips-Barrasso, said in a statement that Tuesday’s attack “underscores the dangerous reality that aid workers are not safe in Gaza.”
This week, the U.N. Office for Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs known said in an update that almost 90 percent of Gaza’s population has been placed under evacuation orders from Israel’s military, squeezing Palestinians into overcrowded areas “lacking critical infrastructure and basic services.” OCHA added that “delivering fuel and medical supplies to health facilities is extremely challenging in the context of repeated evacuation orders.”

Palestine Red Crescent Society responders retrieve the body of a man found dead at the Nur a-Shams refugee camp during an IDF operation in Tulkarm in the northern West Bank on Thursday. (Heidi Levine for The Washington Post)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/08/30/anera-aid-convoy-israel-strike/

 

[Persian Gulf]

i tought that is obvious factor to be taken in consideration like any other target in occupied territories but due distance and non importance till now of that place it is logical to assume that this specific area is less covered with ABM protection.

Arrow-2 has a range of 90-100km

Israel is tiny. the coast of Gaza is only 85km from Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, and 45km from Beer Sheeba. so it's very easy for them to have coverage.

the area with less ABM protection is the Golan Heights since parts of it are 130km+ away from Tel Aviv and Jerusalem

 

[Meengla]

Don't know if the rush to leave is because of some usual weekend / holiday rush or not but the video and the Comments to it are joy to read. Hahahahah!!

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[Meengla]

In just 16 minutes of this video, you'd see so much info:
Israel going from a 'startup nation' to a 'shutdown nation', the 'brain drain', the ongoing 'war of attrition' could collapse Israel in a year, the impact of cancellation of flights to cause a mass rush to emigrate, the parallels with South African Apartheid collapse.

And what this video doesn't mention is the collapse of the America-backed govt in Afghanistan recently: Who would have thought in as late as as July 2021 that in mid August 2021 the heavily supplied/backed govt in Kabul would fall in mid August 2021.

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[BP2]

Israel assassinates head of Hamas in Jenin (occupied West Bank)

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This comes shortly after Israel killed the head of the West Bank resistance in Tulkarm, Abu Shuja'

Assassinate ? Used you the same word after the 7th october pogrom?

 

[BP2]

The West never help Taliban. Taliban is basically a new force originated from Pasthun side of Pakistan.

The West mostly helped Afghan Mujahidin like Hekmayar and others.

You are right.
It was indeed the Mujahidin. My fault. Sorry.