Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present

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Go on then

Call up Israeli reservists make a big fat target of them up north and invade

Let me make a counter argument, the murderous Israeli are hoping their slaughter is a deterrent, after a year of conflict they don't want to send thousands across the border, so they are trying bomb their way out of it and Hezbollah is now responding
 
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Solomon2 said:
...For years, Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah repeatedly claimed that "Israel is weaker than a spider's web." This message was woven throughout his speeches and echoed in Hamas propaganda. The entire Iran-backed alliance believed it. The goal wasn't just psychological; it had an operational purpose. It was meant to motivate the organization's operatives, especially the Radwan Force, to train even more vigorously for the conquest of the Galilee, seen as the first step in Israel's total destruction.

To be honest, albeit regrettably, some Israeli actions reinforced this message in the narrative of the "resistance axis" and Hezbollah itself, rather than undermining it. The refusal to eliminate armed Hezbollah operatives approaching the border, instead chasing them away; the months-long reluctance to destroy two tents Hezbollah erected on Mount Dov beyond the international border line as a challenge to Israeli sovereignty and a sign of its weakness; along with Israel's internal weakness displayed in the year before the war – all these strengthened Nasrallah's belief that Israel was indeed a paper tiger that would immediately collapse once the Radwan Force invaded northern settlements and conquered the Galilee.


The 500 casualties Hezbollah has suffered since deciding to attack Israel on Oct. 8, 2023, and the enormous losses Hamas endured in the Gaza Strip following its terror attacks against Israel on Oct. 7, 2023, began to change the picture, both within Hezbollah and among the Lebanese public.

Many in Lebanon, even if not among Hezbollah supporters, who witnessed the increasing power of Israeli Air Force strikes in Lebanon and the massive destruction in Gaza, began to express public opposition to the war. This is an unprecedented phenomenon in Lebanon.


The situation took another dramatic turn last week following the pager and radio communication device attack on Hezbollah operatives and senior officials, which took thousands of them out of the fight within seconds. It intensified further with the surprising and, from Nasrallah's perspective, shocking elimination of the Radwan Force leadership in the heart of Dahieh.

Although Nasrallah claimed in his speech responding to these events that they didn't affect the organization's operational capabilities, no one in Lebanon believes him anymore. Hezbollah is perceived as weak, and there's a prevailing understanding that in this conflict, Israel undoubtedly has the upper hand – technologically, militarily, and in terms of intelligence.

The Israeli Air Force bombings in southern Lebanon and the Beqaa Valley over the past two days, which hit hundreds of important Hezbollah assets built over many years, and Israeli awareness efforts directed at Lebanese public opinion, aimed at evacuating civilian populations from villages turned by Hezbollah into weapons depots and launch sites for cruise missiles, rockets, and drones, make it clear to every Lebanese and every member of the Iran-backed alliance that Israel is a real tiger. Everyone now understands that underestimating it was a very costly mistake.

Even in interviews with Lebanese commentators on the country's TV networks, it's explicitly stated: "We thought we could destroy Israel and liberate Palestine. We were gravely mistaken."

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Nasrallah is trapped by his own false propaganda – www.israelhayom.com

For years, Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah repeatedly claimed that "Israel is weaker than a spider's web." This message was woven throughout his speeches and echoed in Hamas propaganda. The entire Iran-backed alliance believed it. The goal wasn't just psychological; it had an operational...
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The dangers of joining in beliefs propagated by mass propaganda are clear to Lebanese - now. Will they have to become clear to Pakistanis in a similar, awful way or are there Pakistanis here willing to publicly resist such a fate? Who is willing to buck the trend and counter the mass-madness tide of Israel- and Jew-hatred?

Your grandparents couldn't do it in 1971 and millions of Pakistanis - almost all Easterners - died then. Because of the hate.
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Stop threatening Pakistan you sob.....if things get to that level Pakistan will face massive destruction but will survive ....on the other hand not a single Israeli will stay alive ..that will be the end of the rascals .
 
lightning f57 said:
The one thing with Pak I am uncertain of is how long could they sustain a conflict, do they have sufficient stocks and ability to make artillery pieces, mortars etc items in high use like Ukraine. Maybe they do as thats whats needed

However in Israels case its like a fighter that can do allot of damage but is not good at taking some back. Israel however has another neighbour Egypt which could do serious damage but his paid off by the Americans.
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Bolded Part: I don't know. There are Pakistanis here who are more into hardware. But Pakistanis are not cowards unlike Israelis, and Pakistan has a very large Army. Twice Pakistani security forces cleaned up the Afghan Taliban: First in Swat Valley and then in the Tribal Areas. Those were very difficult combat situations if you look at the terrain--far more difficult than Gaza and more difficult than southern Lebanon. Plus Pakistan also has a very good air force and air defense systems and Pakistani pilots are among the best in the world. I believe only Turkey and Pakistan has the right balance of military capabilities to confront Israel One-on-One.
Here is a recent account by the former Foreign Minister of Pakistan Mian Kasuri, who served under President Musharraf during the early/mid 2000s. He was seen as shaking the hand of the Israeli FM in a pic those days. There was a lot of criticism of that. Later it was disclosed the purpose was dual: To dull the Israeli Lobby to not work too much for the Indians by assuring that Pakistan was not actively working against Israel. Secondly: Kasuri told the Israelis that if you continue to supply India sophisticated weaponry then do know that we too have very lethal weapons which we could supply to YOUR enemies!
PS. I don't think Pakistanis are particularly a great military due to some inherent reasons. It is just that the need to confront a much powerful enemy India had forced Pakistan to become one. Plus, due to the considerable distance from Israel, Pakistan was allowed, even supported, by the West to become strong military. Even the nuclear program was overlooked, largely due to the Soviet-Afghan war but, by 1979, Pakistan was already on-course to become a nuclear power.
 
F-22Raptor said:
Iran has thrown Hezbollah under the bus 🤣🤣
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Pretty much.

Iran is likely hoping that Israel doesn't start eyeing them after they degrade hezbollah. I actually doubt with everything happening to hamas and hezbollah that there isn't going to be any retaliation for killing hamas leader in Iran.
 
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