Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present

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So yes, there will be an escalation, Israel will attack Iran in the coming weeks, Iran will likely retaliate, and so and so on.

The cycle will just keep repeating until Israel finds itself stuck inside a mud.
 
I'll clarify the main points I'm making, based on today's situation, although things can change in the future.
  • Iran is out of the picture for now. As long as Israel doesn't attack Iran, Iran won't attack Israel.
  • Iran has established itself as a serious power, not to be messed with. It can inflict damage on Israel and the world economy that is unbearable for Israel or the West.
  • Iran's status is now similar to Russia. The war in Ukraine has been going on for 2.75 years, but they stop short of attacking Russia knowing that Russia can voporize the whole West.
  • America will stop Israel from attacking Iran and therefore avoid a regional war.
  • In the future, the US/UK/EU will concentrate on overthrowing the govt. in Iran.
  • Israel will continue to bomb Hamas and Hezbollah as long as it likes. When it's satisfied that it has achieved its aims it will stop.
  • When Israel stops then US, Saudi, Lebanese govt. etc will sign a peace deal. Hesbollah attacks on Israel will stop.
Israel will not achieve all its goals. Its maximum goal was to take out Iran, expel Palestinians from Gaza and turn it into an Israeli settlement and destroy Hezbollah. It won't achieve its maximun goals, but it will get away with genocide of Gazans and the degrading of Hezbollah. Before the war on Hezbollah people were saying that Hezbollah will destroy Israel. Clearly that's not the case. The war in Ukraine has continued for 2.75 years. There's no reason to think that Israel won't be allowed to bomb Lebanon for a few more months.

Just my thought. I'm not claiming to know everything. It is possible that Israel will attack Iran in the next few days and my theory will prove to be wrong.
Purely from a war strategy point of view, they would want to cut funding source for Hezbollah/Hamas/Houthis. Therefore, Israel will want to destroy Iran's oil sector completely.

Israel is capable, motivated and they can shock Iran in un-imagenable ways.

Without Oil export, Iran would become next Venezuela and will take 10-15 years to recover - choking all it's proxies from Syria to Yemen.
 
Gaddafi warned them, but they laughed....

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So yes, there will be an escalation, Israel will attack Iran in the coming weeks, Iran will likely retaliate, and so and so on.

Israel can not attack without US help and the US will not help until the elections are over. The Israeli attack will happen soon after Nov 5.
 
Right. There is no way Israel will be able to even significantly diminish Hezbollah over next several months. Hezbollah, unlike Hamas, has a supply line. A long war doesn't suit Israel at all. I think an Israeli analyst himself said recently that Hezbollah has used 'only a fraction' of its arsenal. The Exploding Pagers and the death of some leaders were not strategic blows to Hezbollah.



What card to play next time? If Trump is elected and takes office in January 2025, I doubt he would be around to run for the Presidency in November 2028. Maybe it will impact the 2026 Mid Term elections--maybe! Trump's followers are a Cult!

Hezbollah has open supply lines, as long as Iran heads the resistance, the resistance will continue

It is SHAMEFULLY for the rest of the Muslim world, Iran on its own that has held its head high alongside the rest of its allies and I think the people of the Muslim world will know this going forward

Hezbollah has hundreds of thousands of members,
Any leader killed is just replaced and it has resistance allies from Iran, Iraq, Syria etc provide support, assistant and even special units to come plan and help fight on the ground

ATGMs and long range sniper rifles mean Israel can't take southern Lebanon without a LOT OF PAIN, and even if it commits forces and takes territory, it and northern Israel will be under constant bombardment


If Iran really wants to play hard ball then it increases the access Hezbollah has to stronger missiles and weapons and trains Hezbollah like special forces units

Sure their is a imbalances with Israel because Israel has a air force and American bombs, but the resistance can inflict a lot of pain


And this war of attrition is going to cost Israel if it keeps going,
Personal I believe the odd missile salvo or drones should continue for months or years and make investment or business in Israel risky, if we can take away tourism Israel is in trouble



Hamas is a different issues, as long as their is occupation their will be resistance
so with millions of young Palestine and orphans, Hamas will have a lot of recruits

BUT, the process of preparing and arming those forces is TRICKY, they need to get Israel off the border with Egypt, and for Egypt to either take a blind eye or actively support the resistance, none of which Egypt has shown it will do


Once against it's the Arab states that have caused this mess with their cowardice,
And once again it will Egypt they will have to get through to resurrect Hamas, their will always be fighters but they need supplies, funds and trainings
 
F@ggots, the lot of them.....

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Israel can not attack without US help and the US will not help until the elections are over. The Israeli attack will happen soon after Nov 5.

Hmm, I have doubts about that. But anyway sooner or later its war, it's clear that it will escalate with no off ramp in sight.

But just a reminder here : Long wars in the Middle East has rarely worked out as planned by the US. Long wars in the ME always resulted in the eclipsing of Secularism and the rise of Islamism.
Only Islamist will defeat Israel.

So yeah, we'll see.
 
Also If I'm not mistaken Iran has threatened that this time they will just blow the entire region's oil infra am I correct ?

That's good, it will drag everyone into a larger war.
 
Purely from a war strategy point of view, they would want to cut funding source for Hezbollah/Hamas/Houthis. Therefore, Israel will want to destroy Iran's oil sector completely.

Israel is capable, motivated and they can shock Iran in un-imagenable ways.

Without Oil export, Iran would become next Venezuela and will take 10-15 years to recover - choking all it's proxies from Syria to Yemen.
It doesn't work like that.

Oil infrastructure is not a military target, it's a economic and civilian target

If Israel hits something that's important for Iran, then Iran justifiably will hit vital infrastructure inside Israel

Israel is TINY
It only has three water desalination plants
It has a centralized energy system
A main nuclear site in dimona
Only a few major cities and ports

Iran has been very reasonable In its attacks and has concentrated in bleeding Israel through multiple resistance groups and that will be it's long term strategy, but if Israel acts stupid then expect the next iranian response to slap into Israels vital infrastructure
 
That's good, it will drag everyone into a larger war.

If it eventually led to this. Then October 7 is considered a success. Because the very goals of October 7 is to put Palestine back on the collective minds of Muslims after the wave of normalization that is the norm in the 2000s-2023.

Now not only Muslims reminded back about Palestine, their personal duty to liberate Quds, at some point there will be a line drawn for Muslims to either stand around the flag of struggle and resistance or sit aside under the flag of Arab collaborators like Saudi, UAE, Jordan etc.

It's going to be epic.
 
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I'll clarify the main points I'm making, based on today's situation, although things can change in the future.
  • Iran is out of the picture for now. As long as Israel doesn't attack Iran, Iran won't attack Israel.
  • Iran has established itself as a serious power, not to be messed with. It can inflict damage on Israel and the world economy that is unbearable for Israel or the West.
  • Iran's status is now similar to Russia. The war in Ukraine has been going on for 2.75 years, but they stop short of attacking Russia knowing that Russia can voporize the whole West.
  • America will stop Israel from attacking Iran and therefore avoid a regional war.
  • In the future, the US/UK/EU will concentrate on overthrowing the govt. in Iran.
  • Israel will continue to bomb Hamas and Hezbollah as long as it likes. When it's satisfied that it has achieved its aims it will stop.
  • When Israel stops then US, Saudi, Lebanese govt. etc will sign a peace deal. Hesbollah attacks on Israel will stop.
Israel will not achieve all its goals. Its maximum goal was to take out Iran, expel Palestinians from Gaza and turn it into an Israeli settlement and destroy Hezbollah. It won't achieve its maximun goals, but it will get away with genocide of Gazans and the degrading of Hezbollah. Before the war on Hezbollah people were saying that Hezbollah will destroy Israel. Clearly that's not the case. The war in Ukraine has continued for 2.75 years. There's no reason to think that Israel won't be allowed to bomb Lebanon for a few more months.

Just my thought. I'm not claiming to know everything. It is possible that Israel will attack Iran in the next few days and my theory will prove to be wrong.

Very interesting take. Thank you also for the breath of fresh air in this thread. If someone were to get updates on what is happening in the world, through this thread and the one sided commentary, they would think Israel is being decimated and Hamas and Hezbollah are winning the war.

@Oscar , @LeGenD would love your thoughts on the following piece as well.

I don't quite understand Iran's motivation for this war, whether ideological or whether they expected a tangible benefit out of it.

I must admit most of these thoughts have been expressed by think tanks so I won't claim all these are my own thoughts. But here I go:

The outcome, has been far from what Iran wanted. Before this started, broadly, the world considered Iran having three major weapons against Israel and the West:

1. Hamas. Irregular warfare that would deplete Israel while Hezbollah attacked head on.

2. IRGC. Iran's own security infrastructure i.e., IRGC and its network.

3. Hezbollah. Considered Iran's loaded gun against Israel. A military force capable of going toe to toe with Israel and actually winning. Nasrallah was projected by Iran everywhere. They spent 20 years building Hezbollah and Nashrallah.

As of this day,

1. Israel has wiped off the leadership of Hamas killing both military and political leaders, has already killed most of their cadres. They are razing Gaza to the ground along with tens of thousands of Palestinians.

2. a. Israel has demonstrated it has deep roots inside IRGC and they have compromised Iran at a very deep level. Killing Haniyeh in Tehran, under IRGC protection was a demonstration to the rest of the world that Iran is not as formidable as they project themselves.

2. b. Despite Israel crossing multiple 'red lines' as declared by Iran, the two attacks of Iran directly on Israel turned out to be nothing more than scratches at best. Not to imply that Iran can't fire more ballistic missiles that will actually damage Israel but more that Iran's 'red lines' are not really red lines and they are unwilling to actually fight the war themselves (and pay a real price in terms of their having massed casualties of own military). They are willing to fight Israel only up till someone else (Hamas, Hez, etc ) is doing the mass dying for them.

3. Israel has wiped off Nasrallah and the large part of their leadership. They are destroying Hezbollah cadres and military equipment. Hezbollah will be left significantly damaged or highly defanged when this is over. Moreover, their credibility in Lebanon as a guarantor of protection for Lebanon against Israel is ruined. There will be pushback in Lebanon as well.

Essentially, Iran's repertoire of weapons that it spend decades building, is collapsing. Now that the ring of fire that Iran had maintained is being taken apart to a large degree, it leaves them open for West's countermoves. We shall see what the West comes up with.
 
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Essentially, Iran's repertoire of weapons that it spend decades building, is collapsing. Now that the ring of fire that Iran had maintained is being taken apart to a large degree, it leaves them open for West's countermoves. We shall see what the West comes up with.

I'm saying that Iran has enhanced its credibility and established deterrence to the point that adversaries realize that attacking it will come at an unacceptable cost. Not only will Iran devastate Israel, but they've said that they'll blow up US bases and Arab oil infrastructure, which will cause the world economy to collapse. I think the US sees this threat as credible, and will, therefore, avoid attacking Iran. Instead, they'll work on regime change, which is also their strategy for Russia.

Hamas and Hezbollah are on their own. They'll keep fighting as long as they can.
 
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