Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present

[Flotilla]

There are already US special forces on the ground in Israel. I bet there is some casulties amongst them too but cannot be announced, because officially the US is not enganged directly in this war.

Are you sure?. I have relatives in the US and really nearly 70 or even more don't support Israel genocide. Someone returning from Israel if discovered would be beaten more than even after Vietnam war. Really hope you are wrong. But from US I can expect any nonsense.

 

[Alter_Ego]

Are you sure?. I have relatives in the US and really nearly 70 or even more don't support Israel genocide. Someone returning from Israel if discovered would be beaten more than even after Vietnam war. Really hope you are wrong. But from US I can expect any nonsense.

Many people, especially the young, dosent like whats going on in Gaza and Palestine. But yeah it has been reported by some independent media and vloggers that US Special Forces are assisting Israel. Which wouldnt seem far off at at all if you think about it.

Of course without any official admission from the Biden administration its difficult to say 100% sure.

 

[Meengla]

I think it is not about "punishing" Harris as the Democrats are now beyond the pale for many. Active enabling of genocide with money and weapons no less.

People simple do have the patience to hope the devil may change a little for the better after the elections.

Even if they think the devil may change, for their own personal morality and religious sentiments, they can never vote for a "lesser" devil.

I think you are failing to see the human emotion and religious sentiments here and that is why Harris will be dead and buried tomorrow night.

Democrats may now have permanently alienated their own core natural supporters, and they may go the way of "The Whig Party" in the UK that was decimated in the mid-19th century after two centuries of being part of the duopoly with the current "Tory Party".

I don't think you follow the American politics. How many times I have said that here that a VP is not the President in America? How many times I have said that supporting your natural allies is the better politics? How many times I have said that if Harris were to show sympathy for the Palestinians then she'd be severely punished by the AIPAC to the point of losing the elections?
But this discussion is too late now and I just HOPE you and other emotional lot would be right in your historically wrong call. You and people similar to your views, are aligned with the views of the Israelis and they can't be happier looking at such choices.

 

[UKBengali]

I don't think you follow the American politics. How many times I have said that here that a VP is not the President in America? How many times I have said that supporting your natural allies is the better politics? How many times I have said that if Harris were to show sympathy for the Palestinians then she'd be severely punished by the AIPAC to the point of losing the elections?
But this discussion is too late now and I just HOPE you and other emotional lot would be right in your historically wrong call. You and people similar to your views, are aligned with the views of the Israelis and they can't be happier looking at such choices.

I get that but like I said for many people The Democrats are simply beyond the pale when they had multiple opportunities to stop a genocide.

It is not even about Kamala anymore but The Democrats as a party that funded and enabled a genocide.

Stating all the “logical” reasons as to why Muslims and progressives should vote for Kamala is a total waste of time now. Harris will go down with The Democrats. That’s politics for you which is universal across the world.

 

[BananaRepublic]

Bro, I wish this were not true and both Sunni and Shia were united to fight against the enemies of Islam, whoever and wherever they may be.

How Sunnis ended up in this shameless state will be a dark chapter in Islamic history that will not be forgotten for centuries and millenium to come.

Sunnis were not like this when they followed the Sufi philosophy.

Sufism was central to Ottoman and Mughal rule.

Things started going pear shaped when Sunni was hijacked by the Wahhabis.

Wahhabism is a backward and cowardice philosophy.

 

[Meengla]

As I said many times, Harris couldn't be worse than Trump or Biden. She is much younger, a person of color, of immigrant background, of modest income family and a woman. That combination has never existed in a candidate in an American Presidential candidate before. Such combinations DO shape a personality even within the constraints of AIPAC controlled American politics. There are nuances. There are potential political allies. There is a chance to advance your 'cause' even if by one inch forward, instead to sit on the sidelines to see your political opponent keeps winning elections after elections, which is simply dumb politics. I have not found ONE credible pro Palestinian analyst from America who directly, or indirectly, supports a Trump Presidency. Not one.
In this part of the video which I shared above, Congresswoman Jayapal, surprisingly, criticizes Biden by basically calling him a Netanyahu ally for 50 years. Remarkable! Biden is still her President! BTW, Jayapal survived the AIPAC assault on her during the Primaries where Jamaal Bowman and Cory Bush lost.

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[Alter_Ego]

As I said many times, Harris couldn't be worse than Trump or Biden. She is much younger, a person of color, of immigrant background, of modest income family and a woman. That combination has never existed in a candidate in an American Presidential candidate before. Such combinations DO shape a personality even within the constraints of AIPAC controlled American politics. There are nuances. There are potential political allies. There is a chance to advance your 'cause' even if by one inch forward, instead to sit on the sidelines to see your political opponent keeps winning elections after elections, which is simply dumb politics. I have not found ONE credible pro Palestinian analyst from America who directly, or indirectly, supports a Trump Presidency. Not one.
In this part of the video which I shared above, Congresswoman Jayapal, surprisingly, criticizes Biden by basically calling him a Netanyahu ally for 50 years. Remarkable! Biden is still her President! BTW, Jayapal survived the AIPAC assault on her during the Primaries where Jamaal Bowman and Cory Bush lost.

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I also have feeling Harris could present something new in a lot of ways, including for Palestinians. But then again Obama too was different. Even had a muslim Kenyan father, supposedly. Still he was equally pro-Israeli as any other US president the past 40 years. The salami slicing of West Bank continued under his watch forexample.

Trump is a wild card. Big mouth but nobody really knows what he will do. He will be tough on China for sure and probably milder on Russia. He will support Israel more vocally. But lets face it the US already give Israel its full support and shit loads of bombs to kill and maim palestinians, under Biden and democrats.

So i think many muslims in America think Biden have failed them, why not try Trump. What could be worse than the Genocide going in right in front of our eyes. Not that i agree with the view but i could rationalize why some Americans could think that way.

Trump is notoriously against US involvment with foreign wars. Stangely enough a US base in Iraq was wacked by Iranian missile attack under Trumps watch, and the guy did nothing. Maybe he even less willing to involve America in a foreign war in Middle East. It would go against his mantra of focusing on rebuilding by america (isolationism). That naturally excludes any war against Iran.

Dunno bro, but Trump is a wacko. Never seen any modern politician like him.

 

[Liquidator]

Sunnis were not like this when they followed the Sufi philosophy.

Sufism was central to Ottoman and Mughal rule.

Things started going pear shaped when Sunni was hijacked by the Wahhabis.

Wahhabism is a backward and cowardice philosophy.

Agreed
Madhkhalli sickness

They worship the Kings.....they bang on about shirk but do shirk themselves by essentially making their Kings sovereign over the lands rather than Allah...

 

[Tamerlane]

Bro, I wish this were not true and both Sunni and Shia were united to fight against the enemies of Islam, whoever and wherever they may be.

How Sunnis ended up in this shameless state will be a dark chapter in Islamic history that will not be forgotten for centuries and millenium to come.

It’s got to do with more than issues of sect. An even larger part is played by nationalism and politics.

Iran has the only government in the Muslim world that has stood up to the Anglo-Zionists. Since the Shah was supported by the West, his overthrow necessarily caused antagonism between Iran and the Zionists. Because the Persians are a proud people they’ve stood their ground against the Anglo-Zionists for 45 years at great cost.

All the other Muslim countries, on the other hand, surrendered to the Anglo-Zionists or suffered regime change, like Iraq, Syria, etc. There were many anti-Zionist Sunni countries but they’ve all been destroyed.

Even with the despotic and illegitimate governments being puppets of the Anglo-Zionists, most ordinary Muslims support the Palestinians and Iran. I bet if you did a poll in any particular Muslim country the number of people supporting Palestine will be the same as in Iran.

 

[Meengla]

I also have feeling Harris could present something new in a lot of ways, including for Palestinians. But then again Obama too was different. Even had a muslim Kenyan father, supposedly. Still he was equally pro-Israeli as any other US president the past 40 years. The salami slicing of West Bank continued under his watch forexample.

Please take some time to browse the Israeli sites: They HATE Obama despite all Obama did for Israel! And maybe you and others here should wonder why the hatred for Obama and why the love for Trump on the Israeli sites? I bet that's because whatever little bit of brakes Obama tried to put wouldn't be applied under a Trump Presidency? Just because there was relative peace in Palestine under Trump doesn't mean he wouldn't be even harsher than Biden if that's even possible! There was no October 7, 2023 under Trump so that's a moot point. However, Trump did cause a lot of violence in the Middle East: When it comes to the Middle East, Trump is probably the most hawkish American President possible along with Biden.

Trump is notoriously against US involvment with foreign wars. Stangely enough a US base in Iraq was wacked by Iranian missile attack under Trumps watch, and the guy did nothing. Maybe he even less willing to involve America in a foreign war in Middle East. It would go against his mantra of focusing on rebuilding by america (isolationism). That naturally excludes any war against Iran.

I remember that: Trump jumped the gun and killed Sulaimani. A stupid act with no strategic gains. And per my understanding, it was the Pentagon who advised this stupid guy to de-escalate and so the Iranian response was carefully calibrated. One takeway: Neither the Pentagon nor the Iranians wanted a direct war then or now!!!

 

[Ficus]

I’m surprised that this is still concentrated within tiny Gaza after 1 year. You’d think it would’ve been spill over into West Bank, Tel Aviv and around the mainland etc by now considering the size of the territory.

 

[Meengla]

I’m surprised that this is still concentrated within tiny Gaza after 1 year. You’d think it would’ve been spill over into West Bank, Tel Aviv and around the mainland etc by now considering the size of the territory and the fact that Palestinians have nothing to lose.

Because Gaza, under the tight Hamas rule, had a 'close circuit' communication setup which even the Israelis couldn't break into and thus October 7, 2023 happened. Hamas ruthlessly took care of the spies within even though spies are not that hard to make in poor communities.
The West Bank is extremely heavily monitored in contrast--perhaps the most monitored place in the world--even more than the Xingjian in China or Pyongyang.

 

[Kyussis]

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Pump e Goh!!!

 

[WildApache]

Agreed
Madhkhalli sickness

They worship the Kings.....they bang on about shirk but do shirk themselves by essentially making their Kings sovereign over the lands rather than Allah...

Akheee , you can't question the rulers ....

 

[Jango007]

Pump e Goh!!!

He Hate Pompeo and no chance at all of him joining his administration....