Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

But this Arab obsession is a bit of a joke considering Islamic history and even the modern era. If not for Arabs, Palestinians in Gaza would likely have been ethnically cleansed and Gaza overtaken by illegal settlers. Yet even policies to prevent that from the likes of Egypt are criticized here. Hard to argue with such people.

Let me be very clear for quoting a two bit troll who finds himself in the midst of non Arabs... excoriating them on their support for Palestine.
Your two bit Monarchies have hosted Pakistani military for its support. Your two bit Jordanian monarchy needed Pakistan to quash Palestinian uprising.
Your two bits wanted Pakistani man power to quash Houthis. Which Pakistan rejected.
Right now your two bit sheikhdom is being shakendown for $600 Billion plus... this while so much of the money is locked up in Western institutions, portfolios and bonds.

If you had any shame you would have drowned in your own sorrow. Pakistan for its matter is not only being extorted by Saudis, for buying oil in US dollar denomination but paying interest on the money it puts in Pakistani reserve... draining all resources. But also an obstacle in purchasing Iranian oil right next door... on a bilateral basis... because that will make it not only independent but sanctions free.

But U know what you and your whole creed is on about... the gratitude to Brits for carving your and sherifs niche in the peninsula. Where Saudi royal weasels always sabotaged Muslim unity. To this day when not only Arab league but OIC failed miserably in not moving any motion against zion. While it was put under wraps on who quashed the deal... guess what... everyone does... that last bastion of Arab Ba'athi nationalism just combusted... it ain't too far for a foolhardy to follow Suite... for a trillions dollar neom next to trashed Gaza and a trillion in extortion.

You'd be calling and wailing on no one but Pakistan to come as a knight in shinning armor and save the drowning clowns. And let me tell you one more... Gazans are not your quintessential peninsula Arabs... and they have among them a whole bunch from all over Muslim world residing there for over a millennia... their blood includes Egyptian, Assyrian, Turk, Persian, European(including crusaders) and African.
I know one such personally whose ancestors settled centuries ago but his last name still remains Persian to this day.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

Good post overall.

Small addition about Yemen here. It is only the Houthi controlled areas of Yemen (Northern Yemen mostly) and believe me when I say that the Houthis have the ability to harm Israel much more than they have done so far which amounts to very little. A Houthi drone has killed just 1 Israeli and their missile attacks have not even killed 1 Israeli. Even they know their limits and they are not willing to go "all in" in fear of massive US/Israeli retaliations. You saw a clear reduction of their missile and drone attacks after the last major Israeli attack.

Mostly it is about using Palestine and the cause of Palestine for internal consumption and to strengthen their grip on Northern Yemen. it is politics.

The average Yemeni is gullible and while I don't blame them for being pro-Palestine (something almost every Arab is), they have little to lose. Would be a completely different thing if not the case. Besides geography (mountains) and distance is also helping them greatly.

But even despite all this, Houthi media/spokes people, people of importance, Twitter propagandist are almost more obsessed/focused about KSA than Israel. Anyway it is a failed region of Yemen (perpetually failed in the modern era - contrary to the ancient and rich history of Yemen) and it would take at least 1-2 generations before they become wiser overall. Talking about internal Yemeni politics and divisions here. Add the massive population growth, continued idiotic focus on khat production (rather than agriculture - Yemen has a big potential in this regard), tribalism on steroids, corruption, gun culture etc. and it is not without reason that Northern Yemen is often compared to Afghanistan and not in a positive way. But if their people are content living in a massively failed country (Houthi-controlled part) it is their business. Just like many Afghans apparently support going back to the Middle Ages in 2025. Not much outsiders can do about this mentality. Not sure we should anyway, just need to do what you need to do but from the perspective of KSA in regards to Yemen and from the perspective of Pakistan in regards to Afghanistan.

Again with a tirade... you know who is the primary target in Yemen?
Abdul Malik al-Houthi!!!
The prize...
You put target on your back and tell the world that it is for internal consumption.
They blocked the shipping lanes without having any navy. A first in military history!

 

[Meengla]

Good post overall.

Small addition about Yemen here. It is only the Houthi controlled areas of Yemen (Northern Yemen mostly) and believe me when I say that the Houthis have the ability to harm Israel much more than they have done so far which amounts to very little. A Houthi drone has killed just 1 Israeli and their missile attacks have not even killed 1 Israeli. Even they know their limits and they are not willing to go "all in" in fear of massive US/Israeli retaliations. You saw a clear reduction of their missile and drone attacks after the last major Israeli attack.

Mostly it is about using Palestine and the cause of Palestine for internal consumption and to strengthen their grip on Northern Yemen. it is politics.

The average Yemeni is gullible and while I don't blame them for being pro-Palestine (something almost every Arab is), they have little to lose. Would be a completely different thing if not the case. Besides geography (mountains) and distance is also helping them greatly.

But even despite all this, Houthi media/spokes people, people of importance, Twitter propagandist are almost more obsessed/focused about KSA than Israel. Anyway it is a failed region of Yemen (perpetually failed in the modern era - contrary to the ancient and rich history of Yemen) and it would take at least 1-2 generations before they become wiser overall. Talking about internal Yemeni politics and divisions here. Add the massive population growth, continued idiotic focus on khat production (rather than agriculture - Yemen has a big potential in this regard), tribalism on steroids, corruption, gun culture etc. and it is not without reason that Northern Yemen is often compared to Afghanistan and not in a positive way. But if their people are content living in a massively failed country (Houthi-controlled part) it is their business. Just like many Afghans apparently support going back to the Middle Ages in 2025. Not much outsiders can do about this mentality. Not sure we should anyway, just need to do what you need to do but from the perspective of KSA in regards to Yemen and from the perspective of Pakistan in regards to Afghanistan.

I defer to your understanding of Yemen as you being much closer to Yemen. Similarly, to others, Pakistan and Afghanistan, two Sunni countries!, at each others' throats for decades might seem odd but Pakistanis and Afghanis have much more understanding.
I think the bottom lines everywhere is 'bottom line': Living life. Just living in as good life as possible, which is the over-riding Human desire, regardless of our background (well, with a few geographical regional exceptions...).
PS. Always beware of the expats cheer-leaders of wars and 'revolutions'! They live in comfort at a good distance and wish wars and revolutions elsewhere. As an example: This forum is full of Pakistani expats pinning for a revolution in Pakistan by a certain charismatic fool and misguiding non-Pakistanis.

 

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I defer to your understanding of Yemen as you being much closer to Yemen. Similarly, to others, Pakistan and Afghanistan, two Sunni countries!, at each others' throats for decades might seem odd but Pakistanis and Afghanis have much more understanding.
I think the bottom lines everywhere is 'bottom line': Living life. Just living in as good life as possible, which is the over-riding Human desire, regardless of our background (well, with a few geographical regional exceptions...).
PS. Always beware of the expats cheer-leaders of wars and 'revolutions'! They live in comfort at a good distance and wish wars and revolutions elsewhere. As an example: This forum is full of Pakistani expats pinning for a revolution in Pakistan by a certain charismatic fool and misguiding non-Pakistanis.

There are no problems between KSA and Yemen at all, let alone between the people. Never were. Problem remains limited to the Houthi cult in regards to rest of Yemen and external backers (you can figure out which regime). The problems/challenges of Yemen are mostly self-made and were unfortunately ongoing long before the current civil war - one out of many civil wars in just the modern era. See the North and South Yemen split. Before that what is today Yemen was even composed of many more entities.









As for Palestine/Gaza (to return to the topic)

What is your reading (as an American) of Trump's agenda and what do you think will occur in the next 4 years? Will Trump be better or worse for Palestine or will there be no differences?

Clearly some within his administration (with Israeli backing and support) want to expel Palestinians to Egypt and Jordan but I don't believe that this will ever be accepted by any party and not going to occur.

I am curious to see or understand what the end goal of the US establishment is? Or do they just want status quo to continue?

I think KSA's ambassador to the UK said it quite well in this interview.

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[Meengla]

What is your reading (as an American) of Trump's agenda and what do you think will occur in the next 4 years? Will Trump be better or worse for Palestine or will there be no differences?
Clearly some within his administration (with Israeli backing and support) want to expel Palestinians to Egypt and Jordan but I don't believe that this will ever be accepted by any party and not going to occur.
I am curious to see or understand what the end goal of the US establishment is? Or do they just want status quo to continue?
I think KSA's ambassador to the UK said it quite well in this interview.

I think KSA is going to 'normalize' without officially normalizing/formalizing into 'Abrahamic Accords'.
As to Trump: I have no doubt he will be worse for the Palestinians. I had stated above that I had voted for Trump in 2020 but my vote in 2024 changed mostly because I think he would be worse for the Palestinians. I don't base my opinions solely on personalities: Trump is a Godless Narcistic and Biden a self-proclaimed 'biggest Zionist in the World' but I look at their political 'bases' to draw my conclusions. The Democratic base is more 'inclusive' and more pro-Palestinians while the Republican base is very anti-Palestinian and because this thread is about the Israel-Palestine conflict, it needs to be pointed out again and again.

 

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I think KSA is going to 'normalize' without officially normalizing/formalizing into 'Abrahamic Accords'.
As to Trump: I have no doubt he will be worse for the Palestinians. I had stated above that I had voted for Trump in 2020 but my vote in 2024 changed mostly because I think he would be worse for the Palestinians. I don't base my opinions solely on personalities: Trump is a Godless Narcistic and Biden a self-proclaimed 'biggest Zionist in the World' but I look at their political 'bases' to draw my conclusions. The Democratic base is more 'inclusive' and more pro-Palestinians while the Republican base is very anti-Palestinian and because this thread is about the Israel-Palestine conflict, it needs to be pointed out again and again.

But what is there to normalize exactly? It is not like KSA has any economic ties with Israel and obviously there are back channels between KSA and Israel but they exist with every regional country, Iran-Israel back channels included. I don't think that KSA should recognize Israel (my personal opinion) as long as the two-state solution is not being implemented and as long as Israel is not serious in this regard.

Also without KSA joining the Abraham accords or more realistic some kind of KSA-US-Israel deal (separate) with written guarantees of Israel and USA genuinely working towards a Palestinian statehood (heard that story before, lol), I don't see status quo changing much.

If you want to know my honest opinion when it comes to the US and Israel? My opinion is that the Zionists and American Jews have the entire US by their balls from the military industrial complex, politics, media, tech, banking, foreign policy, religious element (Protestants, Baptists, Evangelical nutjobs, Mormons etc. - all those sects are fiercely pro-Israel) and I don't see that changing anytime soon. Trump or Biden play no role here IMO. If anything it appears to me that both of their cabinets and backers (in one way or another) are the same pro-Israel types whether Jewish or non-Jewish.

Honestly I don't see a bright immediate future for Palestinians if the goal is Palestinian statehood and Arabs, Muslims nor anybody else (outsiders) are able to do much to change the status quo IMO. If it was so easy a solution would have been found ages ago. It has been ongoing since 1948 and before that you had decades of internal unrest in Palestine. Mostly due to well-known reasons and almost exclusively due to Jews and their backers.

And while the current status quo is a tragedy for Palestine and Palestinians and they are rightly frustrated, disappointed and disillusioned, we all know that the world moves on and does not stand still regardless of what occurs in the world of wars, conflicts, civil wars etc.

Just look at what is going on not far from Gaza (Sudan) right now. In many ways even worse but it gets not even 1% of the media coverage and we all move on regardless. Gaza is not any different. It is not a competition but we all know that the world is a jungle in many ways and I don't see that changing either. In fact I see bigger problems ahead for us all.

 

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tragic story of likely orphaned child found in a bombed school in Jabalia and cared for by this kind man

 

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500,000+ Palestinians have crossed the Netzarim Axis and returned to North Gaza

 

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