Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present

[Falcon29]

Hamas already said it will give up power. But it also needs to make guarantees for it's allies. Commit to a long term ceasefire and allow bigger nations to deal with situation in the West Bank. Let it play out there and if Israel escalates, it will push region + EU to push for two state solution. It cannot be the responsibility of Gaza anymore.

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[Persian Gulf]

For the US admin it is 'negotiations'. They'll repeat the same stuff like they did last time. It's non-negotiable for Iran, but US will likely try drafting a new agreement related to sanctions. Doubt it will succeed but Iran is open to talk if US reverts to original nuclear deal and lifts sanctions.

Last time there were no negotiations with Trump and this time also no negotiations so far.

Trump doesn't want to revert to JCPOA, he tore it up. His demands are a non-starter, so there is no clear forward, unless he forms a slightly stricter JCPOA style demand and claims a victory, but even that is far away from his recently expressed demands.

Smh. This reeks of anti-Arab racism. It's clear then that nothing Arabs will do will have a impact on your rhetoric directed at them.

No point to discuss with you.

I gave clear fact-based examples, no 'racism'. Just because you don't like to criticise them while you happily criticise others you ideologically disagree with for doing much more, doesn't mean others must follow this example.

If the Arabs reverse normalisation, I will applaud them. I have repeated that Saudi Arabia deserves credit for refusing to normalise with Israel. But others that have normalised and refuse to reverse this even in the face of a holocaust in Gaza deserve to be condemned.

 

[Persian Gulf]

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Egyptian President Sisi will not attend any White House talks if the agenda includes the displacement of Gaza residents

The opposite of what the Jordanian king did

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Credit to Egypt and Sisi for taking a firm stance on this issue and for working on preparing an alternative rebuilding plan for Gaza. important actions.

 

[Persian Gulf]

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Witkoff is back to remind Bibi who is boss

 

[moonaman.varavayi]

Do you know the sins of killing a believer ?

Is it a lot worse than killing a non believer?

 

[Liquidator]

Is it a lot worse than killing a non believer?

An ounce of gold is not equal to an ounce of cow dung.

All jokes aside, killing anyone is forbidden irrespective of race or religion. Muslims must not harm anyone unless for self defence.

 

[UKBengali]

Smh. This reeks of anti-Arab racism. It's clear then that nothing Arabs will do will have a impact on your rhetoric directed at them.

No point to discuss with you.

This is not true.

Arabs are one of the few Muslim nations that are facilitating the genocide.

Without their "help", along with Turkey, the genocide could not have happened.

 

[Persian Gulf]

This is not true.

Arabs are one of the few Muslim nations that are facilitating the genocide.

Without their "help", along with Turkey, the genocide could not have happened.

some people only like to criticise 2000km away Iran and Hezbollah who sacrificed 5000 lives for Gaza, but god forbid anyone criticises the large neighbouring Arab countries who have normalised relations with Israel

 

[Falcon29]

Last time there were no negotiations with Trump and this time also no negotiations so far.

Trump doesn't want to revert to JCPOA, he tore it up. His demands are a non-starter, so there is no clear forward, unless he forms a slightly stricter JCPOA style demand and claims a victory, but even that is far away from his recently expressed demands.


I gave clear fact-based examples, no 'racism'. Just because you don't like to criticise them while you happily criticise others you ideologically disagree with for doing much more, doesn't mean others must follow this example.

If the Arabs reverse normalisation, I will applaud them. I have repeated that Saudi Arabia deserves credit for refusing to normalise with Israel. But others that have normalised and refuse to reverse this even in the face of a holocaust in Gaza deserve to be condemned.

Those are not facts. That's a attempt to build a narrative. Iran lost the spotlight recently because of backing out of TP3 and Hezbollah agreeing to a ceasefire before one in Gaza. Which threw ball in arab nations courts. And now we see what they do with it.

So far it's positive and could even more be effective at bringing about a permanent ceasefire in Gaza. We will see.

 

[Liquidator]

We are not asking the Arabs complicit in aiding Israel fight. We are simply asking them to collectively refrain from assistance:

The Israel naval ship was refused access to Spanish ports. Guess who allowed it to dock....MOROCCO

who is still sending energy to Israel? TURKEY.

Where are fascist zionists holidaying to relax after killing babies? UAE

who is shooting down missiles and drones headed for Israel? JORDAN

Who are providing ESSENTIAL transport corridors to Israel? ALL OF THE ABOVE

Who is complicit in the Gaza blockade? EGYPT

Look at Iran, Lebanon and Yemen....they are still here aren't they? What do the aforementioned disgraceful states fear?

The zionist and West in general is reliant on your fear.....imagine if none of the above help was available to them....

 

[Meengla]

Who asked Jordan to go to Trump and publicly endorse his ethnic cleansing plan? Who asked Syrians to allow Israel to destroy their entire military and seize large parts of Syrian land including strategically important areas?

But, hey, 'Freedom and Democracy' came to Syria, right?!! I had never opposed Assad since the civil war there started in 2011 because I knew who was instigated that and why! My posts about that probably can still be seen in the old PDF but deluded, uninformed fools on PDF, especially the expats, are a different breed!! They are a different breed when it comes to the Pakistani politics too but that's a different subject.

These demands included restrictions on even Iran's conventional military, which is a non-starter and prompted Khamenei and the government to say negotiations right now are not permitted.

Now let's absorb--truly absorb!!--the contrast between what Obama and Biden were offering Iran vs what Trump is offering! Obama tried to bring Iran into some non-conflict relationship by offering the JCPOA which was BITTERLY opposed by Netanyahu but Obama persisted despite that. Then Trump I stopped JCPOA! And even the self-proclaimed biggest Zionist in the world Biden, early into his term, did make some noise about reviving the JCPOA. And look at what Trump II is offering!!
Haven't I been talking about the 'lesser evil' for months?!

 

[Persian Gulf]

Those are not facts. That's a attempt to build a narrative. Iran lost the spotlight recently because of backing out of TP3 and Hezbollah agreeing to a ceasefire before one in Gaza. Which threw ball in arab nations courts. And now we see what they do with it.

So far it's positive and could even more be effective at bringing about a permanent ceasefire in Gaza. We will see.

We saw what Jordan is doing with the 'spotlight'.

And can you tell me which Arab nation has reversed normalisation with Israel due to the Gaza holocaust?

That said, Saudi and Egypt deserve some credit for recent rhetoric, but we will see what actions and results they achieve.

 

[Falcon29]

This is not true.

Arabs are one of the few Muslim nations that are facilitating the genocide.

Arabs are not facilitating a genocide. US and EU are, and Israel carried it out. You are a anti-Arab racist too. Only interested in demonization of Arabs. You cut slack for Iran where you refuse to do so for Arabs. Even if they went to war it wouldn't matter to you.

 

[Persian Gulf]

You cut slack for Iran where you refuse to do so for Arabs. Even if they went to war it wouldn't matter to you.

You are severely projecting here by comparing Iran, Yemen and Hezbollah, none of which recognise Israel and all of which have launched direct military strikes against Israel in the past 12 months, with Arab states half of which fully recognise Israel. There is zero equivalence here, yet you only criticise Iran, Lebanon and Yemen. Even if they went to war (which they did), it wouldn't, and doesn't matter to you. Sad.

We give credit to Egypt and Saudi when they do good things, and criticise the others when they are complicit in holocaust of Palestinians. Lebanese and Yemenis are Arabs, and we heap praise on them for their actions. And you call this anti-Arab "racism"? Funny.

By contrast, have you ever criticised Jordan? I didn't see it, not even once. I did see dozens of (rather nasty and clearly ideologically driven) insults and criticisms of Iran, Hezbollah and Yemen. The readers can draw their own conclusions for the reasons of this double standard of yours.

 

[UKBengali]

You are severely projecting here by comparing Iran, Yemen and Hezbollah, none of which recognise Israel and all of which have launched direct military strikes against Israel in the past 12 months, with Arab states half of which fully recognise Israel. There is zero equivalence here, yet you only criticise Iran, Lebanon and Yemen. Even if they went to war (which they did), it wouldn't, and doesn't matter to you. Sad.

We give credit to Egypt and Saudi when they do good things, and criticise the others when they are complicit in holocaust of Palestinians. Lebanese and Yemenis are Arabs, and we heap praise on them for their actions. And you call this anti-Arab "racism"? Funny.

By contrast, have you ever criticised Jordan? I didn't see it, not even once. I did see dozens of (rather nasty and clearly ideologically driven) insults and criticisms of Iran, Hezbollah and Yemen. The readers can draw their own conclusions for the reasons of this double standard of yours.

Palestinians have been betrayed by their own kith and kin.

Some find it hard to accept this reality.

Iran, Hezbollah and Houthis only had something to lose to launching attacks against the entity. They could have just sat it out and that would have been better than the likes of Jordan, Morocco and UAE that are actively facilitating in the genocide against Gazans.