Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present

[Persian Gulf]

My (admittedly simplistic) understanding for Israel to end its war is:
1. Return of hostages.
2. End of Hamas

(1) needs no explanation. (2) because they would never feel secure living next to an entity that committed violence.

Till both are true, war will continue one way or other. I don't see an alternate solution.

Hamas offered to return the prisoners and to hand over power many months ago, but Israel rejected it

Israel wanted revenge and to punish Palestinians, not to rescue their prisoners (most of them they bombed to death themselves)

Israel rejected every proposal to replace Hamas rule in Gaza with the Palestinian Authority (the same PA they work with in the West Bank), why is that?

 

[hussain0216]

My (admittedly simplistic) understanding for Israel to end its war is:
1. Return of hostages.
2. End of Hamas

(1) needs no explanation. (2) because they would never feel secure living next to an entity that committed violence.

Till both are true, war will continue one way or other. I don't see an alternate solution.

Hamas only exists because of the occupation,

As long as their is occupation their will be resistance

If Hamas ended tomorrow, the occupation would go on


Your not offering the Palestinians except endless occupation and suffering,

This has consequences and for the Jews it will end very very badly

 

[Mobius]

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[hussain0216]

Now you are simply trolling. How could KSA militarily prevent the mad dog that was the US in 2003 from using military bases that KSA had willingly leased to the US back in 1991? What has that to do with the fact that KSA was always against the US invasion of Iraq, that KSA openly voiced their displeasure about it (I provided several news articles from the Western press before the invasion to confirm this) or the fact that KSA was completely right about what would happen with Iraq if such an invasion was made?

No, it is relevant to include Iran here as it was Iran that was most happy and Iran that openly cooperated with the US to the extend that we have an video of a IRANIAN PRESIDENT (Ahmedinejad) openly admitting it IN IRAN. A video that I already posted.

Your acting like a victim, why don't you just grow some balls and say NO

NO bases or access to the U.S and no trade and sanctions on any company or state supporting or working with Israel

 

[Persian Gulf]

Now you are simply trolling. How could KSA militarily prevent the mad dog that was the US in 2003 from using military bases that KSA had willingly leased to the US back in 1991? What has that to do with the fact that KSA was always against the US invasion of Iraq, that KSA openly voiced their displeasure about it (I provided several news articles from the Western press before the invasion to confirm this) or the fact that KSA was completely right about what would happen with Iraq if such an invasion was made?

words = we oppose this invasion

actions = here is our territory for you to use for logistics and operations and as a base to invade Iraq

they opposed it in theory only. USA used multiple (3) air bases in Saudi Arabia to invade Iraq

Saudis secretly provided extensive U.S. help during Iraq war

WASHINGTON - During the Iraq War, Saudi Arabia Secretly Helped the United States Far More Than Has Been Acknowledged, Allowing Operations From at Least Three Ai

www.haaretz.com

• The U.S. was permitted to use Prince Sultan Air Base (PSAB) and other bases in Saudi Arabia to launch air operations and conduct military activities in support of the 2003 invasion of Iraq.
  
  
• Besides PSAB, the U.S. also used Tabuk air base and Arar regional airport for operations.
  
  
• Thousands of special forces soldiers were permitted to stage their operations into Iraq from inside Saudi Arabia.

 

[Mobius]

Arab sell outs are undoubtedly about to get a punishment of all punishments....It's been prophesised and the reason is that they went astray (Shakira concerts/World Desires/Betrayal of the faith etc.).....

"Blessed be the Yemeni. Wow to the Najd"

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[_Arabia_]

nice of them to kick them out AFTER they used Saudi territory to bomb Iraq, a bit late

if KSA felt that strongly about it they could have stopped it, but they didn't, and are factually complicit in it


I never denied or discussed Iran's role, that was not the topic, that is just the topic you want it to be so you can deflect to talk about iran instead

Now you are simply trolling. How could KSA militarily prevent the mad dog that was the US in 2003 from using military bases that KSA had willingly leased to the US back in 1991? What has that to do with the fact that KSA was always against the US invasion of Iraq, that KSA openly voiced their displeasure about it (I provided several news articles from the Western press before the invasion to confirm this) or the fact that KSA was completely right about what would happen with Iraq if such an invasion was made?

No, it is relevant to include Iran here as it was Iran that was most happy and Iran that openly cooperated with the US to the extend that we have an video of a IRANIAN PRESIDENT (Ahmedinejad) openly admitting it IN IRAN. A video that I already posted.

And all of this is very relevant BTW, as we have a large number of users here who try to make it out that Arabs are in favour of US destruction of fellow Arab states and now we have trolls saying that Arabs support Zionists and their own destruction. It is beyond ridiculous by now.

I guess KSA is looking forward to Israel (as per those maps) stealing most of the land from KSA in their so-called Greater Israel project. Far more land than from any other country.

The Arab land that Israel has stolen on this, more than HALF of it, is Saudi Arabian territory.



It is apparently based on some nonsense Zionist "Biblical" claims of Israeli/Jewish land.

We are to believe that leaders of KSA are so stupid that hardcore and rabid anti-Arab Zionists will somehow not treat KSA the same way they treat other Arabs.

According to the anti-Arab trolls here that is who keep embarrassing themselves by writing such nonsense.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Now you are simply trolling. How could KSA militarily prevent the mad dog that was the US in 2003 from using military bases that KSA had willingly leased to the US back in 1991? What has that to do with the fact that KSA was always against the US invasion of Iraq, that KSA openly voiced their displeasure about it (I provided several news articles from the Western press before the invasion to confirm this) or the fact that KSA was completely right about what would happen with Iraq if such an invasion was made?

words = we oppose this invasion

actions = here is our territory for you to use for logistics and operations and as a base to invade Iraq

they opposed it in theory only. USA used multiple (3) air bases in Saudi Arabia to invade Iraq

Saudis secretly provided extensive U.S. help during Iraq war

WASHINGTON - During the Iraq War, Saudi Arabia Secretly Helped the United States Far More Than Has Been Acknowledged, Allowing Operations From at Least Three Ai

www.haaretz.com

• The U.S. was permitted to use Prince Sultan Air Base (PSAB) and other bases in Saudi Arabia to launch air operations and conduct military activities in support of the 2003 invasion of Iraq.
  
  
• Besides PSAB, the U.S. also used Tabuk air base and Arar regional airport for operations.
  
  
• Thousands of special forces soldiers were permitted to stage their operations into Iraq from inside Saudi Arabia.

 

[Persian Gulf]

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[Mobius]

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[_Arabia_]

words = we oppose this invasion

actions = here is our territory for you to use for logistics and operations and as a base to invade Iraq

they opposed it in theory only. USA used multiple (3) air bases in Saudi Arabia to invade Iraq

Saudis secretly provided extensive U.S. help during Iraq war

WASHINGTON - During the Iraq War, Saudi Arabia Secretly Helped the United States Far More Than Has Been Acknowledged, Allowing Operations From at Least Three Ai

www.haaretz.com

• The U.S. was permitted to use Prince Sultan Air Base (PSAB) and other bases in Saudi Arabia to launch air operations and conduct military activities in support of the 2003 invasion of Iraq.
  
  
• Besides PSAB, the U.S. also used Tabuk air base and Arar regional airport for operations.
  
  
• Thousands of special forces soldiers were permitted to stage their operations into Iraq from inside Saudi Arabia.

You keep repeating the same nonsense. Logistical support on military bases LEASED out to the US since 1991 and LONG before anyone ever thought about invading Iraq, is not the same thing as supporting the invasion and certainly not the same thing as US troops attacking Iraq directly from Saudi Arabian soil, which simply never occurred.

And Israel Haaretz (Zionists) is useless as a source.

KSA had signed a deal and were in no position not to honour it certainly not against the US of 2003 which was a mad dog and which KSA was no match too (nobody was back then) militarily. It is very dishonest to pain this as somehow KSA wanting to topple Saddam Hussein contrary to all previous evidence and later evidence on what occurred in Iraq after 2003.

Besides the US being kicked out from KSA as soon as the lease ended, which ended very shortly after the Iraqi invasion, also confirms my points.

April 2003, 1 month after the war started:

America signals withdrawal of troops from Saudi Arabia

The US defence secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, yesterday signalled a transformation in the US military presence in the Gulf region by announcing that all but a handful of American troops will be pulled out of Saudi Arabia by summer's end.

www.theguardian.com

No point continuing discussing this.

 

[arjunk]

IMO Israel needs at least 5-6,000,000 Indian immigrants to help its war economy and sapport the troops. This will help close the numbers gap with Iran

 

[Mobius]

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[Persian Gulf]

You keep repeating the same nonsense. Logistical support on military bases LEASED out to the US since 1991 and LONG before anyone ever thought about invading Iraq, is not the same thing as supporting the invasion and certainly not the same thing as US troops attacking Iraq directly from Saudi Arabian soil, which simply never occurred.

And Israel Haaretz (Zionists) is useless as a source.

Besides the US being kicked out from KSA as soon as the lease ended, which ended very shortly after the Iraqi invasion, also confirms my points.

April 2003, 1 month after the war started:

America signals withdrawal of troops from Saudi Arabia

The US defence secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, yesterday signalled a transformation in the US military presence in the Gulf region by announcing that all but a handful of American troops will be pulled out of Saudi Arabia by summer's end.

www.theguardian.com

No point continuing discussing this.

whether Saudi Arabia wanted to help USA invade Iraq is one question

whether Saudi Arabia did help USA invade Iraq is not in dispute, it did, greatly

 

[arjunk]

Now you are simply trolling. How could KSA militarily prevent the mad dog that was the US in 2003 from using military bases that KSA had willingly leased to the US back in 1991? What has that to do with the fact that KSA was always against the US invasion of Iraq, that KSA openly voiced their displeasure about it (I provided several news articles from the Western press before the invasion to confirm this) or the fact that KSA was completely right about what would happen with Iraq if such an invasion was made?

No, it is relevant to include Iran here as it was Iran that was most happy and Iran that openly cooperated with the US to the extend that we have an video of a IRANIAN PRESIDENT (Ahmedinejad) openly admitting it IN IRAN. A video that I already posted.

And all of this is very relevant BTW, as we have a large number of users here who try to make it out that Arabs are in favour of US destruction of fellow Arab states and now we have trolls saying that Arabs support Zionists and their own destruction. It is beyond ridiculous by now.

I guess KSA is looking forward to Israel (as per those maps) stealing most of the land from KSA in their so-called Greater Israel project. Far more land than from any other country.

The Arab land that Israel has stolen on this, more than HALF of it, is Saudi Arabian territory.

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It is apparently based on some nonsense Zionist "Biblical" claims of Israeli/Jewish land.

We are to believe that leaders of KSA are so stupid that hardcore and rabid anti-Arab Zionists will somehow not treat KSA the same way they treat other Arabs.

According to the anti-Arab trolls here that is who keep embarrassing themselves by writing such nonsense.

Certain Gulf Arab states purposely keep weak and incompetent militaries to avoid a coup.

The regimes in question are more interested in self preservation than protecting their country.