Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present

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Abbas insults Hamas

he still thinks Israel needs an excuse for its genocide even though Israel already said the war will not end just because the prisoners are released.
 
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Abbas insults Hamas

he still thinks Israel needs an excuse for its genocide even though Israel already said the war will not end just because the prisoners are released.
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Abbas has always been a puppet fool. He's more afraid to lose his power, rather than his care for Palestinian freedom.

There is a reason why no one takes him seriously.

The truth is that he should have retired a decade ago, yet he still desperately clings on to power.
 
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Abbas insults Hamas

he still thinks Israel needs an excuse for its genocide even though Israel already said the war will not end just because the prisoners are released.
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Shame how PLO has fallen, once the lions of Palestine and resistance.
 
FuturePAF said:
It sure if there was any noteworthy changes on the ground, but it must have contributed to breaking through to a segment of the global population, that may not normally thinking about the Palestinians, to consider their plight.
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You make a good point about influencing public opinion, particularly among Chritians, in favor of the Palestinians, but then again, I do note the utter lack of influence similar swings of public opinion, in favor of the Palestinaisns over the past year, have affected tactics and policies on the ground by any side.

I suspect that this demonstrated ineffectiveness of public opinion is likely to continue in this matter for the foreseeable future in terms of the policies being actually pursued.
 
VCheng said:
You make a good point about influencing public opinion, particularly among Chritians, in favor of the Palestinians, but then again, I do note the utter lack of influence similar swings of public opinion, in favor of the Palestinaisns over the past year, have affected tactics and policies on the ground by any side.

I suspect that this demonstrated ineffectiveness of public opinion is likely to continue in this matter for the foreseeable future in terms of the policies being actually pursued.
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It is only half the equation. The other half are the regional countries that care about resolving the issue leveraging their economic might to make it happen. Trump wants Saudi to invest $1 Trillion and the UAE to invest $1.4 Trillion over the next 4 years in the US. If this were leveraged to force a deal faster, it would be more in line with what is in the long term interests of the US, Saudi, and UAE. Their failure to do so, is why this conflict is dragging on longer than it could otherwise, because Palestinians know if they give up, it’s literally the full Nakba that Israel wants unless compelled to other terms.
 
FuturePAF said:
It is only half the equation. The other half are the regional countries that care about resolving the issue leveraging their economic might to make it happen. Trump wants Saudi to invest $1 Trillion and the UAE to invest $1.4 Trillion over the next 4 years in the US. If this were leveraged to force a deal faster, it would be more in line with what is in the long term interests of the US, Saudi, and UAE. Their failure to do so, is why this conflict is dragging on longer than it could otherwise, because Palestinians know if they give up, it’s literally the full Nakba that Israel wants unless compelled to other terms.
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As I have noted before, the other regional countries are not likely to step up thier support for the Palestinians much above nice platitudes anytime soon, no matter what motives or labels one may wish to put on their inaction.
 
VCheng said:
As I have noted before, the other regional countries are not likely to step up thier support for the Palestinians much above nice platitudes anytime soon, no matter what motives or labels one may wish to put on their inaction.
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Hence this lingers on as an open sore in global relations; kindling for any number of potential crisis to emerge, and bogging down the US in the Middle East when it needs to shift to dealing with China.
 
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Hence this lingers on as an open sore in global relations; kindling for any number of potential crisis to emerge, and bogging down the US in the Middle East when it needs to shift to dealing with China.
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Yes, but as the current crisis shows, none of the aspects you mention are likely to cause USA to regard it as such a burden as to divert its attention from other global issues, unless a major change such a another country in the region acquiring nuclear weapons actually happens.
 
VCheng said:
Yes, but as the current crisis shows, none of the aspects you mention are likely to cause USA to regard it as such a burden as to divert its attention from other global issues, unless a major change such a another country in the region acquiring nuclear weapons actually happens.
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Considering the heightened deployments by the navy, it is wearing out the ships and the crews in dealing with Iranian allied groups.
 
FuturePAF said:
Considering the heightened deployments by the navy, it is wearing out the ships and the crews in dealing with Iranian allied groups.
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The ships are meant to be deployed, wherever deemed necessary. "Wearing out" is part of the process and taken into account, I am sure.
 
VCheng said:
The ships are meant to be deployed, wherever deemed necessary. "Wearing out" is part of the process and taken into account, I am sure.
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Tours are extended and maintenance has been delayed. Sure it’s not going to completely divert attention from China, but these ships will be out of commission longer during the expected period where many estimate China may try to reunify with Taiwan; 2027-2028.
 
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Tours are extended and maintenance has been delayed. Sure it’s not going to completely divert attention from China, but these ships will be out of commission longer during the expected period where many estimate China may try to reunify with Taiwan; 2027-2028.
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That discussion is better done away from this thread IMO.
 
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