Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present

[Falcon29]

There is no end in sight for the people of Gaza.

Israel doesn't want the Palestinian Authority to rule Gaza. Or any alternative governing body.

It also doesn't seek to occupy Gaza and become responsible for the civilian population.

It's instead resorting to genocide/terror tactics to force the world's hand, but that is failing.

Netanyahu thus wants to continue the senseless and redundant attacks/ground assaults on Gaza without a plan for the day after.

 

[Falcon29]

This is not a matter of pride. This is a matter of survival. People of Gaza don't trust Israel or anybody else. People of Gaza surrendering means wide scale rape and massacre. Gaza would cease to exist.

Shameless Arab governments are painting this as 'Hamas unable to swallow their pride' when they know Israel wants to render Gaza non-existent and doesn't want anything less than that and expelling its people.

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[Falcon29]

Two terrorists eliminated yesterday in eastern Gaza city:

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[Falcon29]

Allahu Akbar , this is not fan fiction, this is the Qassam Brigades

The Qassam Brigades prevail in most close quarters combat situations despite being outgunned and outnumbered.

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Terror operatives arrived at the ambush site, and the Israeli forces opened fire on them at around 4:40 p.m. During the exchange of fire, the Yamas officer was killed.

Rescue forces were then dispatched to the scene to extract the troops at the ambush site. Fifteen minutes later, an army Humvee that tried to reach the area was hit by RPG fire, and one soldier was moderately wounded.

Nearly an hour later, several IDF tanks, part of the rescue forces, came under RPG fire by the operatives in Shejaiya. One of the RPGs killed Voloch and lightly wounded another soldier.

 

[Falcon29]

Qassam Brigades small arms are very dated. I don't know much about guns but they mostly appear to be mixture of older and new milled and stamped AK's, limited number of older M16 platform. What I've seen:

- Type 1 AK (older milled?)
- Norinco AK (older milled?)
- AK103 (newer stamped)
- Iranian KL7 (newer stamped under folders, makes up majority of light arms)
- AMD 65 (stamped older )
- Egyptian Maadi side folders (older stamped?)
- M16A2 (older platform originally provided for Palestinian Authority Security Forces)

 

[Aziqbal]

Or are you willing to accept merely the hope that a new world order would somehow be able to change in the slightest the basic rules of international geopolitics that have governed throught all of human history?



Good. But again, how long would it take, especially keeping in mind the history of such "bridge building" by the Muslims?


In the meantime, such long term hopes and dreams are great to hold, but do nothing to change matters on the ground in the immediate present and foreseeable future.

Of course, as I have already mentioned, doing more of the same is likely to result in more of the same results. If that is regarded as a rational course of action, you of course are perfectly entitled to carry on, keeping in mind that your opponents are likely to do the same too.

so we agree that what West has done is wrong and in line with their previous track record

we also agree I think we need change

and it also seems like we agree that change can come from the Eastern nations

so now your question seems to be that how long will it take correct ?

it does seem like we agree and actually I get the message but I think maybe you have given up? or you simply think that West is just way too powerful ?

but question really is, did you stand on the right hand of history ?

change can take years , decades or at worst centuries that doesn't mean the ones who want change should just give up and fold their arms

but lets look at it this way, Western nations decline is large part due to the far left, the far right caused the wars and now the are have caused immigration

they have accelerated their own demise

who could imagine the Soviet Union could collapse in the 1960s

who could imagine the British Empire could collapse in 1920

Algerians fought French for 132 years lost 10 million men eventually they were free

Irish fought the English for over 700 years eventually they were free

I will stop there

the wars were handed down generations to keep the spirit of freedom alive

so lets agree the war either on the battlefield, on the streets in the UK or political isolation need to continue by the free people until Israel is no more

you may or may not agree with the method but the war must go against Israel in some form

 

[Falcon29]

Qassam Brigades small arms are very dated. I don't know much about guns but they mostly appear to be mixture of older and new milled and stamped AK's, limited number of older M16 platform. What I've seen:

- Type 1 AK (older milled?)
- Norinco AK (older milled?)
- AK103 (newer stamped)
- Iranian KL7 (newer stamped under folders, makes up majority of light arms)
- AMD 65 (stamped older )
- Egyptian Maadi side folders (older stamped?)
- M16A2 (older platform originally provided for Palestinian Authority Security Forces)

It's unfortunate nobody will arm them with modern AK platform. Hezbollah would get those Russian ones through Syrian military (AKM/AK74). I don't know which arms manufacturers make modern AK platform for state militaries, I found some of these :

- Arsenal Bulgaria (supply Nigerian army, Bulgarian army)
- Kalashnikov Group
- Zastava Serbia
- FB Poland
- Romarm (Romania)


Am I missing anything?

 

[Falcon29]

It's unfortunate nobody will arm them with modern AK platform. Hezbollah would get those Russian ones through Syrian military (AKM/AK74). I don't know which arms manufacturers make modern AK platform for state militaries, I found some of these :

- Arsenal Bulgaria (supply Nigerian army, Bulgarian army)
- Kalashnikov Group
- Zastava Serbia
- FB Poland
- Romarm (Romania)


Am I missing anything?

Are there any Middle Eastern defense companies that produce small arms? All I can find is licensed production or they just buy other platforms from other defense companies.

 

[Falcon29]

If only Hamas was armed with modern standard AK :

AK-12 :



AK-15:



Many more of AK103:

 

[Falcon29]

Asharq Al-Awsat newspaper: An Egyptian-Qatari proposal stipulates that a temporary ceasefire agreement be reached that will last for 6 months, in exchange for a cessation of military operations by both sides, and an exchange of some living and dead prisoners as a first batch.

Asharq Al-Awsat newspaper: During the six months, a complete ceasefire agreement will be negotiated, arrangements for the “day after” the war will be discussed, and the Gaza Strip will be reconstructed, in accordance with the Egyptian plan that the Arab countries agreed upon at the recent “emergency summit” in Cairo, and all prisoners will be exchanged between the two sides.

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[The SC]

The Hebrew media talks about the injury of a senior officer with the rank of brigade commander, and his condition is serious, in the security event that occurred yesterday in Shujaiya.

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The commander of the "Jerusalem Brigade" - Brigade 16 - the occupation army, which the settlers revealed was wounded seriously, during the clashes in the Shuja’iya neighborhood of Gaza yesterday, amid the secret of the occupation.

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[The SC]

The Al -Qassam Brigades broadcast scenes that they say are one of the rescue operations carried out by its fighters after targeting the occupation planes of a tunnel in which Israeli prisoners were present in the Gaza Strip

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[The SC]

Sources of Al -Arabiya_Al -Hadath channel reported that Hamas agreed to withdraw its fighters from the Gaza Strip as soon as the ceasefire is stopped while ensuring that they were not pursued.

The sources said that Hamas also agreed to be completely far from managing the sector, noting that the implementation period of the current agreement extends for 45 days.

The sources added that Egypt will present to Hamas a final and comprehensive agreement to stop the war with international guarantees, explaining that a final ceasefire agreement is currently in progress for a ceasefire in Gaza and the release of prisoners.

Today, Saturday dawn, the Hamas leadership delegation, headed by Mohamed Darwish, head of the movement’s leadership council, and the rest of the council members Khaled Mishaal, Khalil Al -Hayya, Zahir Jabareen and Nizar Awadallah to the Egyptian capital, Cairo.

The movement said in a statement on Saturday that the delegation shortly started its meetings with Egyptian officials to discuss the vision of Hamas to stop and end the war and exchange prisoners on the basis of the total deal, including the full withdrawal and reconstruction.

 

[VCheng]

Thank you for a very level-headed post, to which I respond as follows:

so we agree that what West has done is wrong and in line with their previous track record

Whatever you and I may think on which side is right or wrong on a personal level, Ido note that such personal concepts of morality simply do not apply to the international geopolitical space.

we also agree I think we need change

Agreed totally.

it does seem like we agree and actually I get the message but I think maybe you have given up? or you simply think that West is just way too powerful ?

It is simply incorrect to assume that anyone who does not agree with your viewpoint here - and indeed that prevails throughout this thread and most of the forum as a matter of enforced policy- has simply given up.

Of course the West is not all powerful. Indeed if it were so, it would have had a victory already, and that seems to be nowhere in sight. The only disparity that I can observe, however, remains the absolutely lop-sided destruction, casualties and suffering between the two sides.

It does speak volumes about the great determination of the Palestinians in fighting for their homeland that their struggle still goes on, and that is an attribute worthy of admiration, no matter what one's point of view.

but question really is, did you stand on the right hand of history ?

All I can respond here is that, for most people except the most ardent students, history is merely a description of events that is written by the victors.

Who that might be in this case is for future generations to see, and very likely not in my lifetime.

change can take years , decades or at worst centuries that doesn't mean the ones who want change should just give up and fold their arms

Not giving up is a perfectly valid option for those who endure long enough to exercise it. Those who are outside the immediate conflict zones usually find it much easier to advocate, however.

so lets agree the war either on the battlefield, on the streets in the UK or political isolation need to continue by the free people until Israel is no more

We can certainly agree that everyone is entitled to seek solutions in line with their own thinking, and like you, I shall continue to do so. Whether anyone else agrees with me or not is immaterial to me.