Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present

[VCheng]

It's not a distinct minority

Most nations of the world are calling for ceasefire and a international understanding has been reached that the Palestinians need freedom and independence

Israel today is surviving on the back of the U.S tax payer, and the U.S is spending massive diplomatic clout to try and protect Israel in multiple forums including the U.N

The fall out of this will be far reaching, and the call for a independent Palestinian state will be stronger then ever

Millions have marched across the world now and the negative effects on the Jews will be long lasting

We now have multiple states calling out Israel for genocide and apartheid
We have populations across the middle east and beyond incensed by Israel.
The Jews are going to suffer for this across the world and the conversation has decidedly turned towards their behaviour, narrative and actions

Even the Jew counteraction are under discussion, from their control of politicians, to how they can get 50-70 billion out of the U.S and European tax payers
Their psychotic behaviour towards the PALESTINIANS
How they endlessly use the holocaust as a tool to guilt the planet into compliance

As I said above mere words and no action will never be very effective, no matter how nice and forceful.

 

[Persian Gulf]

How about London?

UK is not providing much aid to Israel, more involved with diverting taxpayer funds to Ukraine (and too poor). USA and Israel are the parties complicit in this genocide. Now assess which countries in West Asia do not have Israel or USA embassies in their territory. I guess it will be a small list.

 

[VCheng]

UK is not providing much aid to Israel, more involved with diverting taxpayer funds to Ukraine (and too poor). USA and Israel are the parties complicit in this genocide. Now assess which countries in West Asia do not have Israel or USA embassies in their territory. I guess it will be a small list.

But it is the country that had the biggest role in creating Israel. That alone should be enough for a hugely symbolic and such a simple step to take. and yet ... ....

 

[Persian Gulf]

But it is the country that had the biggest role in creating Israel. That alone should be enough for a hugely symbolic and such a simple step to take. and yet ... ....

That's old news. We are talking about today's genocide not something that happened 80 years ago. I repeat: Now assess which countries in West Asia do not have Israel or USA embassies in their territory. I guess you don't like to do it. Truth hurts.

 

[VCheng]

That's old news. We are talking about today's genocide not something that happened 80 years ago. I repeat: Now assess which countries in West Asia do not have Israel or USA embassies in their territory. I guess you don't like to do it. Truth hurts.

So if 80 years is old news, why are people here bringing up even more ancient history for today's genocide? Or am I not supposed to notice that whatever promotes a one-sided agenda is being forced to prevail?

Anyhow, Iran can withdraw its UK ambassador easily, but it chooses not to do that either, so what do I say about the all-talk-no-action Arabs or Pakistanis not doing anything either? At least Iran is supplying Hama and Houthis with weapons and money, so it is something tangible. Pity about the military strategy resulting in innocent civilians suffering, but it was a calculation by Hamas to do what they did. They did what they felt was needed, but it has had lots of consequences too.

 

[Persian Gulf]

So if 80 years is old news, why are people here bringing up even more ancient history for today's genocide? Or am I not supposed to notice that whatever promotes a one-sided agenda is being forced to prevail?

Anyhow, Iran can withdraw its UK ambassador easily, but it chooses not to do that either, so what do I say about the all-talk-no-action Arabs or Pakistanis not doing anything either? At least Iran is supplying Hama and Houthis with weapons and money, so it is something tangible. Pity about the military strategy resulting in innocent civilians suffering, but it was a calculation by Hamas to do what they did. They did what they felt was needed, but it has had lots of consequences too.

Israel was created with UN vote not just UK's fault

And occupation is enduring factor which is causally related to Oct 7th and the subsequent genocide, so that is more relevant than a UN vote 80 years ago

Lastly anyone who is honest can see that Israel and US are biggest perpetrators of this genocide

 

[Unknowntruth]

So if 80 years is old news, why are people here bringing up even more ancient history for today's genocide? Or am I not supposed to notice that whatever promotes a one-sided agenda is being forced to prevail?

Anyhow, Iran can withdraw its UK ambassador easily, but it chooses not to do that either, so what do I say about the all-talk-no-action Arabs or Pakistanis not doing anything either? At least Iran is supplying Hama and Houthis with weapons and money, so it is something tangible. Pity about the military strategy resulting in innocent civilians suffering, but it was a calculation by Hamas to do what they did. They did what they felt was needed, but it has had lots of consequences too.

You keep going back to blaming Hamas and still ignoring the root cause of the problem which is the occupation, oppression, and land theft of the Palestinian people. Isn’t it funny you push the same narrative and talking points of Zionist occupiers?

 

[VCheng]

Israel was created with UN vote not just UK's fault

And occupation is enduring factor which is causally related to Oct 7th and the subsequent genocide, so that is more relevant than a UN vote 80 years ago

Lastly anyone who is honest can see that Israel and US are biggest perpetrators of this genocide

Has the ICJ ruled that it is a genocide by Israel yet?

 

[VCheng]

You keep going back to blaming Hamas and still ignoring the root cause of the problem which is the occupation, oppression, and land theft of the Palestinian people. Isn’t it funny you push the same narrative and talking points of Zionist occupiers?

I have always understood - and clearly stated already multiple times - that Palestinians have done what they felt they must do. Actions come with consequences, that is all. Just as Israel has to bear the consequences of its actions too. I am perhaps the only one here capable to seeing both sides and what they are doing, not just any one side or the other.

 

[Unknowntruth]

I have always understood that Palestinians have done what they felt they must do. Actions come with consequences, that is all. Just as Israel has to bear the consequences of its actions too. I am perhaps the only one here capable to seeing both sides and what they are doing, not just any one side or the other.

I disagree, you always try to point the finger at Hamas but ignore the root cause of it which I mentioned above.

Remind me when Hamas was created again? And why?

Edit:
Also there is no “both sides”. One is occupier bent on stealing the rest of Palestine and the other is the occupied.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Has the ICJ ruled that it is a genocide by Israel yet?

They ruled there was a plausible case of genocide, which is the most they could have ruled at this preliminary stage before progressing to the substantive assessment, yes

 

[War Lord]

I am secular liberal muslim and i fully support Hamas and mentioned groups.
There are things beyond personal ideological affiliation, especially if we are talking about general and basic justice and sense of belonging..

You're Bosnian I presume?

Liberals/seculars are different depending on the country. Pakistani ones are pro-Western, Russian or Chinese slaves. They identify as slaves for non-Muslims and love to bash fellow Muslim Pakistanis.

There's a huge difference between a Bosnian "secular liberal" and a Pakistani one. I was talking about the Pakistani ones lol.

 

[Unknowntruth]

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[The SC]

I have always understood - and clearly stated already multiple times - that Palestinians have done what they felt they must do. Actions come with consequences, that is all. Just as Israel has to bear the consequences of its actions too. I am perhaps the only one here capable to seeing both sides and what they are doing, not just any one side or the other.

We see both sides too.. but to be fair..what is the root cause of this conflict?

 

[War Lord]

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