Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present
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krash
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I suggest you read my posts multiple times before responding. No one is blaming the oppressed. Israel has no legal excuse, yet had Oct 7 not happened 60,000+ Palestinians would still be alive.
brazensword
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More like they've lost everything to the monster infont of them. Easy to sit at a beachside and find fault in people who have lost everything. Lemme see your people fight when you've seen brothers sisters fathers and mothers die right infront of you. I'll be preaching patience to you then.
Foinikas
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Yeah,easy-easy,but you gotta think about the other side too.
Pals thought terror would earn them freedom. It didn't. It made things worse. When the time was better for negotiations and talks,the PLO kept fighting a guerilla war. Then they started terror attacks. Then Israelis became more indifferent and took stricter measures. Then Pal factions made terror their main doctrine. That made Israelis take even more hostile stances: Walls,fences,more checkpoints,more raids,more attacks in PA territory, heavier operations,more discrimination,military presence,more jewish settlers,more far right-wing politicians in the parliament.
Meengla
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Nobody can blame the Gazans for trying to break the siege which was brutal and decades old. However, when the northern front folded, it was over and it was over months ago. It is better for the lives of the Gazans to be saved in as large number as possible and hope for a better future.
Bharatah
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Oct 7 is a false flag operation, who created HAMAS was Israel,
There is no way for the Palestinians to deceive the Mossad, Palestinians have no army, navy, air force, secret service, submarine, tank, helicopter or plane, they are a people who for decades have been placed in a "middle age".
Netanyahu already knew a year in advance, and the MOSSAD had already planted the bomb on the pagers in July 2022.
This "scissors strategy" is about to end, with Hamas dismantling itself (since it was coordinated all along by the MOSSAD and countries occupied by the US and NATO, such as Qatar and Turkey).
-> New York Times: Israel knew Hamas's attack plan more than 1 year ago :
NOTE: With the closure of Hamas, the Palestinian Jihad becomes the Palestinian resistance organization and this organization is close to mullahs, ayatollahs and far from Israel, Qatar and Türkiye.
Unknowntruth
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I’ve read it.
Whether October 7 happened or not still does not excuse it. Israel is committing genocide not because of October 7, it is committing genocide because it is in their expansionist agenda.
If Hamas did not exist today, it will always find a boogeyman to commit its atrocities. While maybe not on this massive scale, it is still killing with impunity in West Bank, building illegally settlements, and strangling them to force them to leave. THIS WILL ALWAYS LEAD TO RESISTANCE.
When people in West Bank have had enough and see the hopelessness of their situation and resist, would you say if they had shut their mouth then maybe more won’t die?
It’s either be killed slowly or die resisting for your freedom. That’s the only cards they have.
It’s easy for you to sit there and judge but you are NOT living their situation. Those that resisted are the sons of refugees in their own homeland who have been expelled, killed, or both.
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Saifullah
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Which is exactly why I’m very skeptical of this new “peace”.
Who will ensure all those points are implemented and actual peace is established?
It’s no secret Netanyahu benefits from war because if his corruption cases. And the genocide in Gaza will have lasting effects which will change how Muslims especially Palestinians perceive israel for generations to come.
Even if “peace” is established there has been to much blood spilled to prevent another Oct 7. The only way to prevent another Oct 7 is a strong, free, and independent armed Palestinian state with Al Quds as its capital. Otherwise it’s just buying time before the next round of genocide or Oct 7 type attacks.
Saifullah
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Oct 7 itself was reactionary. I do not support the wrongdoings or war crimes but Oct 7 didn’t just happen overnight. Israel did many Oct 7 type attacks on Gaza before Hamas did. Now after this genocide, do people think the cycle of violence will stop?
A REAL first step to peace should be Netanyahu surrendering to ICJ along with any other israeli or Palestinians with arrest warrants.
Our issue is peace shouldn’t be one sided. Asking one side to lay down arms while the other suffers no consequences for genocide is not a peace deal.
Those who couldn’t stop genocides for the last 7 decades aren’t capable of providing any guarantees.
A REAL first step to peace should be Netanyahu surrendering to ICJ along with any other israeli or Palestinians with arrest warrants.
Our issue is peace shouldn’t be one sided. Asking one side to lay down arms while the other suffers no consequences for genocide is not a peace deal.
Those who couldn’t stop genocides for the last 7 decades aren’t capable of providing any guarantees.
Bharatah
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Netanyahu: Israeli forces will stay in ‘most of Gaza’ under Trump’s plan
Benjamin Netanyahu says Israeli forces will remain in most parts of the Gaza Strip under US President Donald Trump’s plan, which demands Hamas’s submission while granting Tel Aviv full military backing.
The Israeli prime minister also reiterated his rejection of a Palestinian state, claiming that Trump’s 20-point proposal to end Israel’s war on Gaza makes no mention of such a provision.
In a video statement released on his Telegram channel on Tuesday, Netanyahu said that under the plan, Tel Aviv “will recover all our hostages, alive and well, while the (military) will remain in most of the Gaza Strip.”
He further said that Trump had pledged to give his regime “full backing to complete the military operation and eliminate Hamas” should the Palestinian resistance group refuse to accept the terms of the US proposal.
According to Qatari Foreign Ministry officials, Hamas received Trump’s plan from mediators late on Monday. They said the group’s negotiating delegation “promised to study it responsibly.” Sources close to Hamas said it “could take several days” to review.
A Palestinian official, speaking anonymously to Reuters, condemned the plan as “completely biased to Israel” and imposing “impossible conditions” designed to dismantle Hamas.
He added that Trump’s terms represent the wholesale adoption of Israeli demands, offering Palestinians no legitimate rights.
The plan, if implemented, would begin with an immediate cessation of Israel’s military campaign in Gaza. It stipulates that existing “battle lines” be frozen until conditions are met for a staged Israeli withdrawal.
In exchange, Hamas would be required to lay down arms, while its tunnels and weapons production facilities would be destroyed.
Analysts say the Trump administration’s Gaza plan is designed less as a genuine path to peace and more as a political shield to legitimize Israel’s campaign of genocide in Gaza.
Yousef Munayyer, head of the Palestine-Israel program at the Arab Center in Washington, called the proposal “an attempt to create American-sponsored political cover for the continuation of genocide in Gaza, at a time when the entire world is rejecting that.”
Some Israeli officials have also raised concerns about the plan’s one-sidedness.
Knesset member Moshe Saada told Jewish News Syndicate that the proposal imposes conditions on Hamas that “we know it cannot do, such as releasing all the hostages without receiving anything in return and disarming.”
He argued that these stipulations would give Israel a green light to continue its war crimes against the Palestinians.
krash
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It was over before Oct 7. It is undoubtedly the Palestinians' right but can they attain it, as things stand? Who will tell it to the tens of thousands of Palestinian kids left without any family or shelter that Hamas was just exercising the Palestinian right to resist even when they knew that they couldn't possibly have achieved anything?
These naively romanticized concepts of resistance that posters here have can only exist thousands of miles away from Ghaza. Easier to talk big on a forum than fix ourselves into something that could actually aid the Palestinians.
Unknowntruth
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Unfortunately it’s damned if you do and damned if you don’t.
It’s up to the Muslim world to step up because October 7 was a cry for help.
Meengla
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I tend to think Israel was almost brought to its knees by late 2024 but then the northern fronts folded and Trump was elected. And grudgingly: Kudos to Netanyahu for resisting many top Israeli politicians for not stopping the war on Gaza and for working to elect Trump--Netanyahu maybe a Devil but also a Visionary.
StrategicBear
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Tony Blair should be in jail for war crimes against the Iraqi people, not leading a committee on Gaza.
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