Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present

[hussain0216]

And what did the Gazans do when Israel pulled out in 2005, leaving Gaza to be an autonomous, self-ruling entity? Yes, it was a test. And the Gazans and much of the world failed it - their reaction to October 7th is all the proof Israelis need of that.

The Gazans lived under siege, their sea space blocked, their air space stolen, their borders blocked

Gaza was a open air prison

The rest of the Palestinian population was still under full occupation, 700,000 extremist settlers moved into the west bank,
The PLO gave up their weapons for what?.more occupation without freedom

Israel has had enough time, it's a horrendous, monstrous state and people and we can't forever allow these monstrous people get away with this occupation and injustice

 

[hussain0216]

And just who decided for them to be used a pawns in this manner?

The Jews and the west

 

[Unknowntruth]

And just who decided for them to be used a pawns in this manner?

Stop referring to Palestinians as pawns to be used just for daring to seek their human rights freedom and dignity.

 

[VCheng]

Stop referring to Palestinians as pawns to be used just for daring to seek their human rights freedom and dignity.

I have always respected the right of the Palestinians to do whatever they feel is right for them in seeking the freedoms that they seek. Such a right, of course, comes with its own responsibilities too and they cannot be avoided, as we can see.

My comment was in the context of the post I was responding to, and referred to the children.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

And just who decided for them to be used as pawns in this manner?

Who decided to shove them in the concentration camp in the first place?

 

[VCheng]

Who decided to shove them in the concentration camp in the first place?

I asked the question because I do not know the answer. And that answer doesn't help change their lives in any meaningful way right now, does it, whatever the answer may be.

 

[Unknowntruth]

I have always respected the right of the Palestinians to do whatever they feel is right for them in seeking the freedoms that they seek. Such a right, of course, comes with its own responsibilities too and they cannot be avoided, as we can see.

You say the same thing time and time again while ignoring the realities they face with or without them resisting. Your solution is for them to live the same status quo as they are slowly ethnic cleansed from their homes. You then lay blame on them for being killed for resisting this. TO YOU Palestinians need to suffer both decisions because that is life so you excuse Israel’s doing in all of this. That is war right?

 

[VCheng]

You say the same thing time and time again while ignoring the realities they face with or without them resisting. Your solution is for them to live the same status quo as they are slowly ethnic cleansed from their homes. You then lay blame on them for being killed for resisting this.

The solution is for them to decide. Not me. Or you, for that matter. Or anybody else.

 

[Solomon2]

The Palestinian population was never given a vote or referendum on whether they wanted their land and homes to be stolen from them

I don't recall the Jews of Iraq, Yemen, Syria, or Lebanon being given such a vote either, despite the fact that within their own communities they constituted a majority. Nor do many posters here champion the cause of the Jews who lost their homes and communities not out of any hostility to their surrounding neighbors, but simply because of their greed. And it takes an oldster like me to remind you all that Jews' losing their property in Arab lands is indeed a violation of international laws - the Mandates established by the League of Nations, which under Article 82 of the U.N. Charter the U.N. is not allowed to mess with.

The PALESTINIANS were the majority -

In Jerusalem the Jews had been a majority since the 1900 or so, then under Turkish rule. The Palestinian Arabs denied they were a separate people in a letter to the 1919 Paris Peace talks - they considered themselves "southern Syrians" instead.

, so a Jew colonial apartheid state was forced upon them without their consent by white colonial powers

The Mandates were never meant to be colonial territories; they were meant as temporary entities, with the goal or replacing much of the collapsed Ottoman Empire with component nation-states.

 

[hussain0216]

I have always respected the right of the Palestinians to do whatever they feel is right for them in seeking the freedoms that they seek. Such a right, of course, comes with its own responsibilities too and they cannot be avoided, as we can see.

My comment was in the context of the post I was responding to, and referred to the children.

A occupied people resisting and seeking freedom and independence is natural and honourable

Equating a occupied people with the occupier and their supporters is immoral

Israel, the Zionists, the U.S and west cannot be let off the hook, these people are as hypocritical as they come and if nothing else we need to wake up to these horrendous two faced people

Our response to their beating about Ukraine or Iran or anyone else should be made felt

 

[Unknowntruth]

The solution is for them to decide. Not me. Or you, for that matter. Or anybody else.

Yet you are quick to blame Palestinians either way they choose by disregarding their suffering and throwing a fit when we criticize Israel and the West role in this injustice.

 

[Solomon2]

The solution is for them to decide. Not me. Or you, for that matter. Or anybody else.

Israelis and Gazans should be free to decide whether to fight or not, rather than have the decision imposed from without.

Of course, if Israelis decide not to fight, that would be suicide. Whereas if Gazans gave up the fight, they may fear they would quickly lose many of the external subsidies that generations have depended upon.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

I don't recall the Jews of Iraq, Yemen, Syria, or Lebanon being given such a vote either, despite the fact that within their own communities they constituted a majority.

Back to drawing board zionist!
Remember Nakba?
Chicken or egg?
Herzl?
Zionist Movement?
Balfour?
League?
Holocaust?
UN?

Put Jewish exodus or explosion before nakba, if you can...

Oh, but then we have a very good incentives program... Aliya!

Birth right and so on... they still lure Iranian jews with those...
So when they leave Iran,
Would that be a genocide, expulsion or ethnic cleansing?

Aliya is such good program though

 

[VCheng]

A occupied people resisting and seeking freedom and independence is natural and honourable

Equating a occupied people with the occupier and their supporters is immoral

Israel, the Zionists, the U.S and west cannot be let off the hook, these people are as hypocritical as they come and if nothing else we need to wake up to these horrendous two faced people

Our response to their beating about Ukraine or Iran or anyone else should be made felt

The response should be made felt, of course. And how is that working out exactly?

Yet you are quick to blame Palestinians either way they choose by disregarding their suffering and throwing a fit when we criticize Israel and the West role in this injustice.

where have I blamed the Palestinians? If they have chosen this way for themselves, then it is perfectly okay, since they are clearly bearing the consequences of their choices as well.

And I have remained calm throughout, and will remain so. Please stop your slander. If there is any hyperemotionalism here, it is clearly not from me.

 

[hussain0216]

I don't recall the Jews of Iraq, Yemen, Syria, or Lebanon being given such a vote either, despite the fact that within their own communities they constituted a majority. Nor do many posters here champion the cause of the Jews who lost their homes and communities not out of any hostility to their surrounding neighbors, but simply because of their greed. And it takes an oldster like me to remind you all that Jews' losing their property in Arab lands is indeed a violation of international laws - the Mandates established by the League of Nations, which under Article 82 of the U.N. Charter the U.N. is not allowed to mess with.

In Jerusalem the Jews had been a majority since the 1900 or so, then under Turkish rule. The Palestinian Arabs denied they were a separate people in a letter to the 1919 Paris Peace talks - they considered themselves "southern Syrians" instead.


The Mandates were never meant to be colonial territories; they were meant as temporary entities, with the goal or replacing much of the collapsed Ottoman Empire with component nation-states.

The Jews were minorities who paid the price for Zionist machinations

The same machinations have resulted in over a hundred expulsions, pogroms and a holocaust of the Jews (you would think you would learn)

In Palestine the Palestinian population was a overwhelming majority, any free vote would have resulted in a total rejection of a colonial Jew state in the middle east..so any vote was denied then and western colonial powers forced a Jew state upon the people and it has caused nothing but misery and brutality

Hundreds of millions in the region cannot be put at risk because of these cancerous Jews and it would now be better that you leave and go back to Europe for everyones sake