Unknowntruth
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Why would Gazans need to be punished for resisting their oppressors and colonizers? You are the one ignoring the truth to make excuses for your fascist state built atop the homes and blood of the Palestinian people.
Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present
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Nope. Article 42 of the 1907 Hague Regulations: “a territory is considered occupied when it is actually placed under the authority of the hostile army. The occupation extends only to the territory where such authority has been established and can be exercised. "
Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ
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Just the right person to ask that question... solves both yours and his conundrums...
Put the genie back in the hamas bottle...
Look what you made me do... says the killer!
Symmetry in response demands Symmetry in action.
I demand them be afforded the same perch!
let them be judged!
Meted out by the occupation, Yes!
Kid hamas has a very recent genesis
The occupation has persisted many decades before that... so we can say the occupied have figured a response to end occupation.
The occupation can call it a wrong approach.
Flotilla
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They were the same autonomous than in Sobibor Camp.
And like Sobibor, the concentrated rebelled the butchers.
Is Pakistan "occupied" because India controls one border and Afghanistan another? No. Same for Gaza: Israel controls one border and Egypt another. If Gazans didn't want a "siege" then they could seek peace with Israel (and Egypt) and it would be over.
Might as well start another thread, yes?
The concentration camps had Nazi soldiers as boots-on-the-ground, so no.
"Flotilla", eh? I read last week that there is a "Free Gaza" movement that is asking Hamas to surrender, for the good of the Gazans. Is this the same organization that birthed the Mavi Marmara disaster?
Unknowntruth
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Is Pakistan "occupied" because India controls one border and Afghanistan another? No. Same for Gaza: Israel controls one border and Egypt another. If Gazans didn't want a "siege" then they could seek peace with Israel (and Egypt) and it would be over.
Might as well start another thread, yes?
You mean like Israel shooting Palestinians as they go fishing on their own waters? You mean like controlling Gazans own air and sea borders?
Show me one video of Hamas hiding behind a baby and shooting at IDF soldiers. False information to excuse the genocide of a people.
Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ
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Is Pakistan "occupied" because India controls one border and Afghanistan another? No. Same for Gaza: Israel controls one border and Egypt another. If Gazans didn't want a "siege" then they could seek peace with Israel (and Egypt) and it would be over.
Might as well start another thread, yes?
This thread has fast become Shapiro fast talk...
Pulling the fast ones in plain sight...
You have stupid and funny to post this stuff...
But we know you'll only amplify what you have been fed...
Carry on.
Look, if you're trying to pin the "fascist" label onto Israel then you are utterly devoted to unreality when all else fails.
Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ
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How else would you describe a Semitic Jewish state of chosen people propped up on the ideology of zionism... shoved on the locals who didn't subscribe to the bull? Right!
Flotilla
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As well there were watch tower, even with RWS just like Sobibor.
Don´t be shy, call Mavi Marmara crime just for keeping Gaza isolated... like Sobibor.
Unknowntruth
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You can choose to close your eyes and not see or should I say make excuses for the genocidal colonial state that Israel is. That is not my problem. Carry on…
Unknowntruth
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...The wholesale labeling of Israeli Jews—the vast majority of whom are refugees or descendants of refugees from Arab Muslim dictatorships and Soviet totalitarianism—as colonizers, settlers, and imperialists is in fact a type of collective ethnic punishment, nonsensical even on its own twisted terms, which recalls the medieval Christian denunciation of Jews as moral abominations, as a group and as individuals....
...You might have noticed in the last few days that those committed to liberating Palestine can’t seem to avoid the abject dehumanization of the Jews as a people—and that their aim is not for Palestinians to simply live in peace, dignity, and freedom alongside Israelis, but a state that is necessarily established upon the ruins of Israel. Hamas is explicit in its intention to murder the Jewish population of Israel and enslave any survivors; its partisans in the Middle East and the West are coyer on this point.
Islamists articulate the fantasy of Jewish eradication in the language of jihad, framed in eschatological terms, and imbued with a sense of divine justice and cosmic warfare—what Westerners would ordinarily recognize as a type of religious fascism...
...For those who are shaped by such a worldview—whether the “right-wing” or the “left-wing” version, the religious or the atheistic—celebrating the murder of innocent Israeli civilians, including children, women, and the elderly, is an expression of the partial fulfillment of a moral vision. As a teenager in Egypt, I recall nearly all the adults around me expressing such feelings when following the news of suicide bombings targeting Israeli civilians during the Second Intifada. Egypt’s most prominent religious authorities declared the perpetrators to be martyrs and saints...
...Almost every Arab Muslim knows that what I’m describing is not a personal opinion but objective reality. We may try to belittle these facts, or dismiss them as the delusional daydreams of uneducated know-nothings under the influence of religious and populist fanatics. But we should not deny that they are true.
My fear is that the impulse to dismiss and belittle is the byproduct not of sincere belief but of a deep sense of helplessness. After many recent conversations with the rising generation of young, intelligent, Westernized, and highly educated Arab professionals and diplomats, I have witnessed a strong urge not to confront this reality. Even among those who genuinely accept the legitimacy of Israel in a way their parents would have never been capable of, I almost always hear them describe the deaths of innocent Israelis as somehow being their own fault, or at least the fault of the Israeli government for not unilaterally making peace and ending the conflict. There is nothing more depressing than the surrender of the young to a problem they see as too big to solve...
To the Arabs of my own generation, I say we need a truly different approach. I’m not asking you to love Israel or Zionism, or to hang a poster of hipster Herzl in your bedroom. If you are critical of Israel and think there should be a Palestine, continue to do so. All I ask is for you to be authentically courageous, to admit that the murder we all witnessed in the last few days [published 10/9/23 - Solomon2] is an accurate representation and logical consequence of a catastrophic moral system, the one we all know intimately. This is a moment for collective introspection. It’s time to confront the darker corners of our ideological heritage, and question the ideas and beliefs we may have uncritically absorbed. Only by doing so can we hope to contribute to a more constructive and humane world for ourselves.
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...You might have noticed in the last few days that those committed to liberating Palestine can’t seem to avoid the abject dehumanization of the Jews as a people—and that their aim is not for Palestinians to simply live in peace, dignity, and freedom alongside Israelis, but a state that is necessarily established upon the ruins of Israel. Hamas is explicit in its intention to murder the Jewish population of Israel and enslave any survivors; its partisans in the Middle East and the West are coyer on this point.
Islamists articulate the fantasy of Jewish eradication in the language of jihad, framed in eschatological terms, and imbued with a sense of divine justice and cosmic warfare—what Westerners would ordinarily recognize as a type of religious fascism...
...For those who are shaped by such a worldview—whether the “right-wing” or the “left-wing” version, the religious or the atheistic—celebrating the murder of innocent Israeli civilians, including children, women, and the elderly, is an expression of the partial fulfillment of a moral vision. As a teenager in Egypt, I recall nearly all the adults around me expressing such feelings when following the news of suicide bombings targeting Israeli civilians during the Second Intifada. Egypt’s most prominent religious authorities declared the perpetrators to be martyrs and saints...
...Almost every Arab Muslim knows that what I’m describing is not a personal opinion but objective reality. We may try to belittle these facts, or dismiss them as the delusional daydreams of uneducated know-nothings under the influence of religious and populist fanatics. But we should not deny that they are true.
My fear is that the impulse to dismiss and belittle is the byproduct not of sincere belief but of a deep sense of helplessness. After many recent conversations with the rising generation of young, intelligent, Westernized, and highly educated Arab professionals and diplomats, I have witnessed a strong urge not to confront this reality. Even among those who genuinely accept the legitimacy of Israel in a way their parents would have never been capable of, I almost always hear them describe the deaths of innocent Israelis as somehow being their own fault, or at least the fault of the Israeli government for not unilaterally making peace and ending the conflict. There is nothing more depressing than the surrender of the young to a problem they see as too big to solve...
To the Arabs of my own generation, I say we need a truly different approach. I’m not asking you to love Israel or Zionism, or to hang a poster of hipster Herzl in your bedroom. If you are critical of Israel and think there should be a Palestine, continue to do so. All I ask is for you to be authentically courageous, to admit that the murder we all witnessed in the last few days [published 10/9/23 - Solomon2] is an accurate representation and logical consequence of a catastrophic moral system, the one we all know intimately. This is a moment for collective introspection. It’s time to confront the darker corners of our ideological heritage, and question the ideas and beliefs we may have uncritically absorbed. Only by doing so can we hope to contribute to a more constructive and humane world for ourselves.
The Savage Nihilism of ‘Free Palestine’ - Israel and the Middle East - Tablet Magazine
It’s time for us to reckon with the hopelessness at the heart of Arab and Western 'liberationist' ideology
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