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[Davey Crockett]

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[Meengla]

As I spend more time on this forum, am beginning to question just how deep some of the thinking really is.

What's wrong with being anti-woke and for family values? You know I am in my mid-60s and now retired. That also means my parents were children raised during The Great Depression. So what I learned from them and certainly my grandparents is without doubt different from what someone in their 20s is learning from their parents and grandparents. Why? Because, I happen to be that grandparent now; who was once the grandchild. All I can do is pass on the values I learned and hope they continue with that. If not, so be it. It is their choice.

You also know I am very conservative in nature. I don't subscribe to pushing wokeness down my throat or the subliminal messaging in just about everything now that is counter to the values I grew up with.

I have watched the infiltration for a long time. Remember, I was born and raised here. With respect, you are an import. Yet, you bring with you a different point of view on things because of where you come from as well as your background.

I think you are addressing me as the 'import'.
I too have lived most of my life here. Married to a WASP. All my circle is WASP for decades due to peculiar circumstances. I am deeply embedded here. I am starting to even translate from English to Urdu in my sentence constructions and that amuses my family and friends. So I don't bring the traditional immigrant background though I also objectively believe Pakistanis are a great people and greatly misunderstood. Perhaps a rare background here because I still retain much of my Pakistani background combined with the Western background. Plus I call myself a 'Humanist' above all. And I am only some years younger than you, though still in my 50s. So that's my background.

As for the Woke vs anti Woke debate: The word 'woke' has been a bastardized label against all progressive, inclusive thought. Sure, I hate men claiming to be women to participate in women sports or go to ladies' restrooms. I don't like the 'Welfare Queens' being sustained. I don't like my hard earned tax dollars given to the lazy losers. Help those who need but there is just too much abuse by the losers in this system. But overall, the values of the progressives and 'the woke' are the values for progress, for a brighter future, for inclusiveness. There is excess for sure, especially by the Democrats who do dirty politics for 'vote bank'. But the xenophobia in the extreme right, can't be right: That is ossified, stagnant thinking.

 

[Meengla]

I think the American political landscape may coalesce around three parties:

• Bernie bros, AOC on the left,
• MAGA on the right, and
• A combined Dem/GOP party in the middle.

Ostensibly, that combined party might represent the ideological center but I don't know how the US population would be split among those parties.

It is a duopoly here. However, the Democrats need to move more to the left and be the real progressives. The Democrats need to be fiscally responsible and don't give out too much freebies for 'vote bank' politics. Make people work instead of giving the hand outs. There are too many people on 'Welfare' here. Too many on 'Disability' here. Democrats spoil them for the vote bank politics. Real, Conservative Republicans--the real MAGA ones, not the Neo Cons types-- do try to correct the abuse but there is just too much power in the duopoly a this point.
Path forward is to work to strengthen the real MAGA ones and the real progressive ones. They both, without knowing it , want to improve America using different paths.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

I think you are addressing me as the 'import'.
I too have lived most of my life here. Married to a WASP. All my circle is WASP for decades due to peculiar circumstances. I am deeply embedded here. I am starting to even translate from English to Urdu in my sentence constructions and that amuses my family and friends. So I don't bring the traditional immigrant background though I also objectively believe Pakistanis are a great people and greatly misunderstood. Perhaps a rare background here because I still retain much of my Pakistani background combined with the Western background. Plus I call myself a 'Humanist' above all. And I am only some years younger than you, though still in my 50s. So that's my background.

As for the Woke vs anti Woke debate: The word 'woke' has been a bastardized label against all progressive, inclusive thought. Sure, I hate men claiming to be women to participate in women sports or go to ladies' restrooms. I don't like the 'Welfare Queens' being sustained. I don't like my hard earned tax dollars given to the lazy losers. Help those who need but there is just too much abuse by the losers in this system. But overall, the values of the progressives and 'the woke' are the values for progress, for a brighter future, for inclusiveness. There is excess for sure, especially by the Democrats who do dirty politics for 'vote bank'. But the xenophobia in the extreme right, can't be right: That is ossified, stagnant thinking.

Careful there. IIRC, you're in the PNW. Some of those thoughts could be viewed as conservative. That is a hard no-no in the SEA area.

 

[Developereo]

The word 'woke' has been a bastardized label against all progressive, inclusive thought.

I agree. The words woke and liberal have been hijacked to lose their original meaning and intent.

The thing I love about the West, especially America, is precisely the ideals of liberalism and respect for individual human rights against the mob's demands.

I have come to really like Dave Farina's channel on YouTube. He is of Italian background way back but God know's how many generations American now, so truly American.

I don't agree with him on everything. He is strongly atheist, very left wing, very pro-mainstream-science, uses strong language, and - hehe - is unashamedly 'woke'. I gained more understanding of many woke viewpoints by listening to him, including the whole LGBTQ debate and other matters.

When all is said and done, I prefer to err on the side of being a humanist and providing equal human rights.

 

[Meengla]

Careful there. IIRC, you're in the PNW. Some of those thoughts could be viewed as conservative. That is a hard no-no in the SEA area.

Well, I alienated my dearest friend, a WASP, who is a super liberal by mentioning to him that 'you support the Democrats blindly'. I mentioned to him that Democrats like Clinton, Obama, and Biden are just as warmongers as the Republicans. He took great offense to that and we have not spoken since last September. 18 year friendship in tatters. I miss his company but he won't pick up the phone so...
This country is too divided for political debates.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

It is a duopoly here. However, the Democrats need to move more to the left and be the real progressives. The Democrats need to be fiscally responsible and don't give out too much freebies for 'vote bank' politics. Make people work instead of giving the hand outs. There are too many people on 'Welfare' here. Too many on 'Disability' here. Democrats spoil them for the vote bank politics. Real, Conservative Republicans--the real MAGA ones, not the Neo Cons types-- do try to correct the abuse but there is just too much power in the duopoly a this point.
Path forward is to work to strengthen the real MAGA ones and the real progressive ones. They both, without knowing it , want to improve America using different paths.

Democrats and fiscal responsibility are mutually exclusive. Even now, Democrats are decrying any budget cuts. Just four days ago, we have ol' Chuck Schumer and this:

'Bait and switch': Schumer warns of bitter funding fight over GOP cuts plan

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer says the GOP plans to advance a $9.4 billion cuts package targeting USAID and PBS would undermine the bipartisan appropriations process.

www.foxnews.com

Democrats have zero intention of ever reducing spending. Look how they lie when the rate of spending increases is reduced. It's all a charade. Everyone knows this country cannot continue to recklessly spend money yet they take no concrete action to actually reduce spending.

It's all bukkake theater what they are doing.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

Well, I alienated my dearest friend, a WASP, who is a super liberal by mentioning to him that 'you support the Democrats blindly'. I mentioned to him that Democrats like Clinton, Obama, and Biden are just as warmongers as the Republicans. He took great offense to that and we have not spoken since last September. 18 year friendship in tatters. I miss his company but he won't pick up the phone so...
This country is too divided for political debates.

You're likely better off then.

You've seen enough of my posts here to know I am absolutely NOT left wing nor am I extreme right wing. I'm just a guy who is conservative, believes in limited government and letting people live their lives while being accountable for their actions.

I remember school prayer. I won't delve into the reasons why it was canceled. Yet, now, depending on the state I am developing a facility, I HAVE to provide a space for accommodating those who pray every day. Am I against providing the space? No. But, to tell me I MUST provide the space is going a bit too far.

I remember saying the Pledge of Allegiance everyday right up until the day I graduated from HS. Do they even still do that anymore? Likely not. Yet, the teachers who hate America gladly remove the American flag from their classrooms and replace it with the rainbow coalition or similar flags. To me, that is wrong.

I could go on but it's at that point in the evening I'd like to go to bed relaxed. If I continue to pontificate on how far this country has strayed, in part due to extreme liberalism, I'll only succeed in pissing myself off and won't sleep well.

 

[SolarWarden]

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Ohhhhh he dunnit now. He called Kash and Bongino "boys" and they are colored folk. Impeachment for racism in 3...2...1...

 

[Davey Crockett]

Ohhhhh he dunnit now. He called Kash and Bongino "boys" and they are colored folk. Impeachment for racism in 3...2...1...

No one cares anymore.

Two days ago some Indian told my boss he can't work with a "Nazi" anymore. My boss told him don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

Now the Indian will be working for $10/hr. wiping the ass of bedridden adults. Good riddance.

 

[Davey Crockett]

 

[j_hungary]

What is illegal about paying off a porn star ?

What is illegal about blackmail then?

Also, you cannot transfer more than $10,000 with a false reason that's against anti-money laundering law, I don't supposed Trump write down "Hush Money" on the reason to his accountant when he paid $160,000 to Daniels.

Tax guidelines and regulations for large money transfers into US

When dealing with large money transfers, know which IRS forms and regulations you need to avoid tax penalties.

www.finder.com

 

[j_hungary]

I think you are addressing me as the 'import'.
I too have lived most of my life here. Married to a WASP. All my circle is WASP for decades due to peculiar circumstances. I am deeply embedded here. I am starting to even translate from English to Urdu in my sentence constructions and that amuses my family and friends. So I don't bring the traditional immigrant background though I also objectively believe Pakistanis are a great people and greatly misunderstood. Perhaps a rare background here because I still retain much of my Pakistani background combined with the Western background. Plus I call myself a 'Humanist' above all. And I am only some years younger than you, though still in my 50s. So that's my background.

As for the Woke vs anti Woke debate: The word 'woke' has been a bastardized label against all progressive, inclusive thought. Sure, I hate men claiming to be women to participate in women sports or go to ladies' restrooms. I don't like the 'Welfare Queens' being sustained. I don't like my hard earned tax dollars given to the lazy losers. Help those who need but there is just too much abuse by the losers in this system. But overall, the values of the progressives and 'the woke' are the values for progress, for a brighter future, for inclusiveness. There is excess for sure, especially by the Democrats who do dirty politics for 'vote bank'. But the xenophobia in the extreme right, can't be right: That is ossified, stagnant thinking.

The issue is "Anti-Woke" in itself is "Woke" because you don't like an ideology. You try to force people to accept that by going after said ideology, which in itself is people who are accused of being woke people doing (That they shove their woke ideology into everyone's agenda), anti-woke people are just basically doing this in reverse.

Being conservative is for me approach family value, which does not mean "my value" because each one of us is different, and we believe in different thing, just because you believe in something else I don't believe does not mean I am anti that ideology, that's the same in religion (eg Islam vs Christianity), sexual orientation (eg Gay or Straight.) or Political Belief (Being a GOP or Dem) I mean I don't think Gay is normal, and I hated progressive and left leaning ideology (I have no issue with any religion tho) that does not mean I cannot accept people who think they are gay or who are progressive. It's one thing for me to believe in, but I can't think for others.

 

[Meengla]

This channel is wildly popular!! Just discovered this channel.

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[FarhanSiddiqui]

Epstein’s secret bank account is still active deposits and withdrawals in millions.

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