Jeffrey Epstein files

[j_hungary]

I think you're confusing two separate things, what you describe above is just the alleged underground network of child kidnapping

I hate to think the fate of these children but I did not believe their purpose is taking jobs or starting families to replace ethnic Europeans,


It's very interesting the Atlantic describes this as a conspiracy theory, you do know about the Atlantic political bias right? I wonder what their investment is to discredit what everyone knows to be pretty much accepted


The great replacement theory is about simply bringing in people from non European stock through migration from all over the world

I think trying to put the two in together to discredit the fringe of maga is going to far way too far

This is what the Q people believe: they believe the global cabal is trying to replace white people with color by bringing them to the US illegally, and more importantly, bred with the whites (hence the sex trafficking part) and then exploit those people and game the system. Again, that's described with the QAnon mega film "sound of freedom." if you have an issue with this connection, you need to take it to them, not me

Well, you are trying to find a reason to connect two conspiracy theory, there are none. They are called "Conspiracy Theory" for a reason

And I don't care what the Atlantic's political affiliation, I saw that theory as a conspiracy theory, this is not something affected by whether or not the publication has a public agenda.

Tucker Carlson: The great replacement is an electoral strategy

Tucker Carlson calls out the Biden administration's immigration policies and reacts to the US population growth being fueled by migration on "Tucker Carlson Tonight."

www.foxnews.com

 

[Davey Crockett]

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As I said above, this was Tucker Carlson's one of his finest moment. It has gone viral. When people like Tucker, Steve Bannon, and Marjorie Tailor Green start to question Israel's involvement in America, then it is a serious issue: Not only then the Left in America, spearheaded by Bernie Sanders and AOC bring up Israel but some in the hard core MAGA too.
Americans better realize before long who it has become 'One Nation Under Blackmail'.

 

[Davey Crockett]

 

[Meengla]

MAGA needs a new conspiracy narrative to cover the previous one. It's the only way to keep their ridiculous beliefs from being crushed by reality.
I have a feeling that MAGA will explain this away by accusing Epstein of being Mossad.

Max Blumenthal, who I absolutely trust and respect, was on the US Capitol a few days ago. He tried to probe the various Republican politicians about the Epstein file and the response was 'we trust President Trump'.
Nixon's 'third grade burglary' was nothing in comparison to what America has become since Bill Clinton 1992. It is a Clown Show since then.

 

[r3alist]

Behavior such as being openly anti-war, wanting the situation in the Middle East to cool down, and opposing intervention in Israel's wars when you're in the United States is already tantamount to being anti-Israel and anti-Jewish.

Well it's not behaviour it's a viewpoint, and that belief itself is anti Semitic, arguably.

The point here is, maga is not trying to be anti any country, generally, unless one country chooses to collide with magA


Tucker has never been known for what you accusing for

 

[r3alist]

This is what the Q people believe: they believe the global cabal is trying to replace white people with color by bringing them to the US illegally, and more importantly, bred with the whites (hence the sex trafficking part) and then exploit those people and game the system. Again, that's described with the QAnon mega film "sound of freedom." if you have an issue with this connection, you need to take it to them, not me

Well, you are trying to find a reason to connect two conspiracy theory, there are none. They are called "Conspiracy Theory" for a reason

And I don't care what the Atlantic's political affiliation, I saw that theory as a conspiracy theory, this is not something affected by whether or not the publication has a public agenda.

Tucker Carlson: The great replacement is an electoral strategy

Tucker Carlson calls out the Biden administration's immigration policies and reacts to the US population growth being fueled by migration on "Tucker Carlson Tonight."

www.foxnews.com

Ok thanks, makes more sense

It's just that demographic change is objectively real

 

[Davey Crockett]

 

[j_hungary]

Ok thanks, makes more sense

It's just that demographic change is objectively real

Well, demographic changes are ALWAYS real, you can see in metropolitan cities, and then apply that into a country since that is what the neo-liberal value means to immigration and culture mixing, the issue here is, If we are looking at issue such as immigration, we can limit and control it by controlling the flow of immigration, but if we have no control of illegal immigration and illegal people smuggling, that's what and why Trump focus on that, because that's what MAGA base wanted.

The fact to the matter is, no matter how we mix race and how we have mix culture, statistic show the dominant race in any country having liberal metropolitanism will simply not go extinct barring some intentional act (such as genocide) because we can see that from Indigenous South Ameircan population hover about 60% since 14 century when the European settlement in the new world. And even if we look at the US, when the country was settled with Black people and Hispanic People since the late 1800s (so roughly 200 years since), the population of white is still hovering at about 60-70%. Because that's where the equaliburium goes, you can't dilute a population more than that, again, barring an extinction event like genocide. If we are looking at demographic change, then I will say the reproduction rate is probably more of an issue than critical race theory or replacement theory.

 

[r3alist]

Well, demographic changes are ALWAYS real, you can see in metropolitan cities, and then apply that into a country since that is what the neo-liberal value means to immigration and culture mixing, the issue here is, If we are looking at issue such as immigration, we can limit and control it by controlling the flow of immigration, but if we have no control of illegal immigration and illegal people smuggling, that's what and why Trump focus on that, because that's what MAGA base wanted.

The fact to the matter is, no matter how we mix race and how we have mix culture, statistic show the dominant race in any country having liberal metropolitanism will simply not go extinct barring some intentional act (such as genocide) because we can see that from Indigenous South Ameircan population hover about 60% since 14 century when the European settlement in the new world. And even if we look at the US, when the country was settled with Black people and Hispanic People since the late 1800s (so roughly 200 years since), the population of white is still hovering at about 60-70%. Because that's where the equaliburium goes, you can't dilute a population more than that, again, barring an extinction event like genocide. If we are looking at demographic change, then I will say the reproduction rate is probably more of an issue than critical race theory or replacement theory.

Well this is an interesting take, however for the purpose of populism which is the reality we live in no one will want to contextualize it like that

They don't feel like they have to

That's rather the point

From a pure basic rule of law perspective someone can be considered maga, we live in an age of borders and rules and records and taxes and services

do they not have a superior argument?


and is there for basic law and order this expectation not higher on the taxonomy? In fact it basically forms your social contract with the government right

I think people who utterly dismiss mass populist movements can make dangerous mistakes


Trump in many ways is a pressure outlet for the very most Extreme fringe in the USA, that extreme fringe who might have paramilitary tendencies

Imagine if they now completely lose hope in trump? They can mobilise right?

 

[j_hungary]

Well this is an interesting take, however for the purpose of populism which is the reality we live in no one will want to contextualize it like that

They don't feel like they have to

That's rather the point

From a pure basic rule of law perspective someone can be considered maga, we live in an age of borders and rules and records and taxes and services

do they not have a superior argument?


and is there for basic law and order this expectation not higher on the taxonomy? In fact it basically forms your social contract with the government right

I think people who utterly dismiss mass populist movements can make dangerous mistakes


Trump in many ways is a pressure outlet for the very most Extreme fringe in the USA, that extreme fringe who might have paramilitary tendencies

Imagine if they now completely lose hope in trump? They can mobilise right?

Well, I studied Political Science in college, not very good for as far as I'm concerned, that's why I don't generally talk about Politics.

The issue with Populist is, you will have a country that ended up like a rubber band, the more you pulled to one side, the longer and more violent it bounce back, bear in mind, Trump is NOT the first populist candidate, that's actually Obama in his second term, and then we got Trump, and then we have a break with Biden, and then we had Trump back in again........

You see, the issue with populism is that, it's not much different between other ideological clash, left vs right, conservative vs liberal, family verse people, populism is basically grassroots vs establishment, the only different between this and all the different clash is, once you became the government, you are the establishment, that's the reason why political party changes hand constantly, we saw this with the US between 2012 to 2020, we saw this with the UK between 2017 to 2024 and we saw this with Australia between 2010-2015.

Until people stop voting for populist government, this trend is going to continue, The difference between the US and other countries is that. your government still function in the UK or Australia because that's a winner takes all system, in the US, you get nothing done, because while you can elect a populist president, you can't do it with 3 different general election at the same time (President, Senate and Congress) you win the UK or Australian general election, you have the mandate, maybe it's a minority government, or majority, it didn't matter, but unless you can win all 3 houses or had make compromise, nothing is going to get done in the US, which mean you can expect the other party to campaign on them being the grassroots and yours being the establishment, and they will win, and in this case, unless the Dem is so inept, they are going to win back the government and then the presidency in succession, and we are looking at another left Populist, and by that, I am referring to a socialist.

As for what will people do when they had found out their demagogue is actually the swamp? Remember how Boris Johnson loses power? He lost it over partygate, not his chief whips sex scandal, not his personal advisor breaking COVID rules, and certainly not many of his outrageous antics, they are all tolerated by their people, but when the people who give Johnson the mandate, people who voted for him in 2019, see that he is saying one thing and doing the other, which is what typical establishment did, how the people react to this??

 

[r3alist]

Well, I studied Political Science in college, not very good for as far as I'm concerned, that's why I don't generally talk about Politics.

The issue with Populist is, you will have a country that ended up like a rubber band, the more you pulled to one side, the longer and more violent it bounce back, bear in mind, Trump is NOT the first populist candidate, that's actually Obama in his second term, and then we got Trump, and then we have a break with Biden, and then we had Trump back in again........

You see, the issue with populism is that, it's not much different between other ideological clash, left vs right, conservative vs liberal, family verse people, populism is basically grassroots vs establishment, the only different between this and all the different clash is, once you became the government, you are the establishment, that's the reason why political party changes hand constantly, we saw this with the US between 2012 to 2020, we saw this with the UK between 2017 to 2024 and we saw this with Australia between 2010-2015.

Until people stop voting for populist government, this trend is going to continue, The difference between the US and other countries is that. your government still function in the UK or Australia because that's a winner takes all system, in the US, you get nothing done, because while you can elect a populist president, you can't do it with 3 different general election at the same time (President, Senate and Congress) you win the UK or Australian general election, you have the mandate, maybe it's a minority government, or majority, it didn't matter, but unless you can win all 3 houses or had make compromise, nothing is going to get done in the US, which mean you can expect the other party to campaign on them being the grassroots and yours being the establishment, and they will win, and in this case, unless the Dem is so inept, they are going to win back the government and then the presidency in succession, and we are looking at another left Populist, and by that, I am referring to a socialist.

As for what will people do when they had found out their demagogue is actually the swamp? Remember how Boris Johnson loses power? He lost it over partygate, not his chief whips sex scandal, not his personal advisor breaking COVID rules, and certainly not many of his outrageous antics, they are all tolerated by their people, but when the people who give Johnson the mandate, people who voted for him in 2019, see that he is saying one thing and doing the other, which is what typical establishment did, how the people react to this??

I used to think like this, now I just take reality as I see it

And the world is in fact not very intellectual at all, in fact having a theoretical pov is a hindrance at times, the clue is in the word, populism by definition can never not be there

I guess the people with real power simply just guide the energy, the rest just wonder why their intellectual powers are not taken super seriously

 

[j_hungary]

I used to think like this, now I just take reality as I see it

And the world is in fact not very intellectual at all, in fact having a theoretical pov is a hindrance at times, the clue is in the word, populism by definition can never not be there

I guess the people with real power simply just guide the energy, the rest just wonder why their intellectual powers are not taken super seriously

LOL, why do you think I left the US for Australia back in 2012? I still think this way, but I just want to go to a place where at least you can get things done, even if the government isn't what you wanted.

We are living in a fast age, people no longer think for themselves, people rely on their platform to digest their news for them, and only wake up to the fact when it hits them in their faces

 

[r3alist]

LOL, why do you think I left the US for Australia back in 2012? I still think this way, but I just want to go to a place where at least you can get things done, even if the government isn't what you wanted.

We are living in a fast age, people no longer think for themselves, people rely on their platform to digest their news for them, and only wake up to the fact when it hits them in their faces

Yes, that's a very profound concept, time.


The axis of time has changed for each generation, the implications of this misunderstood


A further diversion..... Have you watched dune, well I'm not a big fan but in that sci-fi Saga there is a concept of a complete ban on AI and there was an intergalactic"jihad", of Man Vs ai.

They were in the future but they lived by medieval feudal customs, we might end up there