JF-17 PFX program

[Tameem]

I keep weapons and Armed Forces leadership different. Other wise you have no idea where things are headed. If in next few years we see another 1971 I won't be surprised. Because people of KPK are taking current situation as you have told them their elected guy can never be a PM. Right now that prisoner number 804 is only thing standing between MAFIAS and another 1971. If he is not there you would have another 1971. Pathans know how to fight and they know it way more than Mukti Banis ever did.

Sorry to burst your bubble here my dear Zarvan. even in the worst case scenario KPK going nowhere. For immediate PTI anti venom are Pashtun nationalist parties who hates IK more than PMLN ever. Strategically The moment PTI cross the line in KPK, they will be labeled Anti Pakistan (9 May) and case closed!!

Just ask PTI Try it again!!

Now as for J-31 and JF-17 PFX. Yes, they are different according to the video released by PAF. In my opinion JF-17 PFX will be either something similar to Grippen E. Those who have no clue what I am talking about just go to Wikipedia page of Grippen and check the difference between Grippen E and earlier versions of Grippen. Or it could be similar to a new plane with stealth body, AESA radar, EW suit, IRST, Avionics and may be no internal weapons bay initially or may be full on single engine 5th Generation fighter jet.

Yes Indeed.

 

[maverick]

This sounds more logical.
J-31 is and will remain 100% Chinese.
JF-17 PFX will be more Pakistani >JF17 itself.

Nevertheless, Zarwan i salute u for keeping Pakistan and PAF above than pity politics and personality cult. All nay sayers politically dejected at this moment, they are blind and bitter in hate towards Pakistan authorities specially Fauj and cant see beyond prisoner 804. Only God can helps them now.

What a nonsensical post, full of deceit and envy.. shameful.

 

[Awwad]

Nevertheless, Zarwan i salute u for keeping Pakistan and PAF above than pity politics and personality cult. All nay sayers politically dejected at this moment, they are blind and bitter in hate towards Pakistan authorities specially Fauj and cant see beyond prisoner 804. Only God can helps them now.

Why you're bringing your extreme poisonous views in JF-17 topic. Now since you had the audacity to speak against the choice of entire nation than I am compelled to school you. It is absolutely hilarious & pathetic at the same time that you are labeling entire Pakistani nation as "cult". Pakistan voted for Imran khan. That's the end of the story. Let that sink in.

Your kind used to say he is not popular and only has social media presence and now when nation voted for this party, these guys have made the entire nation as 'cult'. If you look closely at the mirror, you will notice an egoistic character and cult over there. It's you guys who have developed some sort of personality disorder & egoistic behavior against a national leader. The leader who chose not to make deals / runaway or make properties outside the country. The leader who always said armed forces are more important for the country than himself. The leader who emphasized on "peaceful" protest. The leader who's struggle is for rule of law. Show some grace and respect the choice of Pakistan's majority mandate. Saying crap about the whole province of KP and 80% of Pakistan's voters is a lowest one can expect from a human being. Stop being part of anti-Imran cult. In your enmity with a single person, you are damaging the country and nothing more.

Sorry to burst your bubble here my dear Zarvan. even in the worst case scenario KPK going nowhere. For immediate PTI anti venom are Pashtun nationalist parties who hates IK more than PMLN ever. Strategically The moment PTI cross the line in KPK, they will be labeled Anti Pakistan (9 May) and case closed!!

Just ask PTI Try it again!!

What a joke! After the elections, No power in even entire universe can label PTI (the party with largest national mandate) as anti-state. and for your kind information, even establishment's dad cannot ban PTI in this point in time. They did everything in their power and they saw opposite reaction from the nation. I think its pretty clear that Army cannot afford to collect more hatred of the nation by trying to suppress nation's beloved party. Army only maligning itself by carrying burden of shareefs who even lost their own seats. Its clear to army where nation stands.

As far as PTI's popularity is concerned, its a giant right now. It has absolutely no competition in foreseeable future. Establishment used every trick and all barbarism, even kicked it out of elections but still people searched & voted for kettle, bench, birds, harmonium because real power & real leader told them to do so. It's quite common sense that a man was not allowed to do election campaign / even party kicked out of elections but nation voted only in his name. If this not makes him the only actual representation of country then what else will make you believe it? PTI is at its peak, it has confidence & glory to have the real mandate, so much so that even with ECP announced stolen mandate they are the largest pol party & largest representation of Pakistanis. Its upto your imagination that what results any next election with PTI's actual electoral symbol will yield. IK has brought rest of the parties to a level where those parties cannot win even a single seat now without estab rigging for them. and for your kind information, Current chief & CJP will not be always there to lift the dead weight of Shareefs.

 

[maverick]

I keep weapons and Armed Forces leadership different. Other wise you have no idea where things are headed. If in next few years we see another 1971 I won't be surprised. Because people of KPK are taking current situation as you have told them their elected guy can never be a PM. Right now that prisoner number 804 is only thing standing between MAFIAS and another 1971. If he is not there you would have another 1971. Pathans know how to fight and they know it way more than Mukti Banis ever did.

Now as for J-31 and JF-17 PFX. Yes, they are different according to the video released by PAF. In my opinion JF-17 PFX will be either something similar to Grippen E. Those who have no clue what I am talking about just go to Wikipedia page of Grippen and check the difference between Grippen E and earlier versions of Grippen. Or it could be similar to a new plane with stealth body, AESA radar, EW suit, IRST, Avionics and may be no internal weapons bay initially or may be full on single engine 5th Generation fighter jet.

I Cant agree with you more... The popularity of 804 is so high that he can take down the mafias with a single call of running the parliament and GHQ and things will be worse than what happened in 1971...

JF17PFX seems more like Grippen NG...

 

[maverick]

In my opinion Tameen should be banned.

 

[GriffinsRule]

Here is my take. This whole PFX is just an exercise of local production of certain Chinese components to upgrade older Block IIs to Block III level.
The biggest ticket item here is the radar which will take PAC a few years to get going. That would be coupled with the integration of whatever AGM Pakistan is working on.

 

[AsaRad1]

Here is my take. This whole PFX is just an exercise of local production of certain Chinese components to upgrade older Block IIs to Block III level.
The biggest ticket item here is the radar which will take PAC a few years to get going. That would be coupled with the integration of whatever AGM Pakistan is working on.

I too believe its something similar to what you just said.

Essentially indigenisation of components that are currently Chinese in origin.

 

[Khanasifm]

Per last paf history book paf has rights for 100% jf-17 after 150 mark meaning the remaining 42% can be built locally as well provided it was feasible cost wise
If not sure but perhaps that option equates to PFX with additional mods wondering if the vertical tail base fuel tank can be added to single seat to bring additional 250 liters of fuel provided its cost wise feasible

Now internal fuel is 2464KG about 5400 lbs in single seat while dual seater has 4900 lbs
Block II has 5130 lbs

 

[GriffinsRule]

I will +1 this. 100% local production is exactly the kind of achievement which they would label PFX. But I think PFX is very long term. Once the capability of 100% local manufacturing is acquired, they will definitely start to expand and experiment with making small structural modifications and gradually ramp up to an indigenous design.

Whats the point if they are only going to manufacture 50 more aircraft maybe?

 

[Fatman17]

Just for everyone information.
@Deino is a Leading and well-known analyst of the Chinese Military.

 

[kaku]

Pakistan Reveals ‘JF-17 PFX’ Program - Quwa

The Pakistan Air Force (PAF) revealed a new program related to its JF-17 Thunder multi-role fighter, the JF-17 PFX (Pakistan Fighter Experimental).

quwa.org

It is really surprising to see, that a jet this new, the airframe life is just 3000 hours.

Previously, when in 2015-16, it was reported 3000 hours, I thought they might be doing stress/durability test, and right now it is rated for that verified number.

But after 7-8 years, the number is same, thats quite shocking.

 

[Fatman17]

It is really surprising to see, that a jet this new, the airframe life is just 3000 hours.

Previously, when in 2015-16, it was reported 3000 hours, I thought they might be doing stress/durability test, and right now it is rated for that verified number.

But after 7-8 years, the number is same, thats quite shocking.

It's low if compared to western standards which are around 6-8K hours. Same goes for engine overhauls. I remember F-6 engine overhauls after 100 hours and the Russian engine gets overhauls after 500 hours which is a huge improvement but less than the 1000 hours for western engines.

 

[kaku]

It's low if compared to western standards which are around 6-8K hours. Same goes for engine overhauls. I remember F-6 engine overhauls after 100 hours and the Russian engine gets overhauls after 500 hours which is a huge improvement but less than the 1000 hours for western engines.

Then the lifecycle cost especially in JF-17 Block 3 become exorbitant. These sensors in Block-3 must costed PAF quite high, AESA radars, MAWS, HMDS etc etc are not cheap.

And then PAF must paid integration cost. Seriously if 3000 hours is a correct number, then economics for Block-3 is not making any sense.

 

[Fatman17]

Then the lifecycle cost especially in JF-17 Block 3 become exorbitant. These sensors in Block-3 must costed PAF quite high, AESA radars, MAWS, HMDS etc etc are not cheap.

And then PAF must paid integration cost. Seriously if 3000 hours is a correct number, then economics for Block-3 is not making any sense.

Makes sense but unfortunately there is really no other option right now.

 

[Bilal]

Then the lifecycle cost especially in JF-17 Block 3 become exorbitant. These sensors in Block-3 must costed PAF quite high, AESA radars, MAWS, HMDS etc etc are not cheap.

And then PAF must paid integration cost. Seriously if 3000 hours is a correct number, then economics for Block-3 is not making any sense.

There has been subsequent improvements done to the airframe. So the 3000 hours might be for Block 1 only.