JF-17 - Updates, News & Discussion

[hussain0216]

'More advanced version of the JF-17' is just a J-10C — it has a larger engine for more electrical power/thrust, bigger radar, more payload, and more range.

JF-17 airframe has hit its limits imo, capability wise we are better off inducting more J-10Cs, while doing upgrade work on our existing Jeffs to block 3 standards, keep them modern.

The problem is Pakistan wants and needs a platform that it can use to incorporate it's own products, missiles, bombs, avionics it's developing

J10 is great as is J35, but it will be a end product that we will just purchase from china

Pakistan goo forward wants to be able to utilise it's own product for the basis of its air force

 

[Desprado123]

People are do not understand what i meant. What i meant our JF 17 Thunder engine is Russian made and of course its spare parts will be as well. Therefore trump has hinted for more sanctions will this impact our JF Thunder 17

 

[hussain0216]

People are do not understand what i meant. What i meant our JF 17 Thunder engine is Russian made and of course its spare parts will be as well. Therefore trump has hinted for more sanctions will this impact our JF Thunder 17

Its not really a issue at all for a variety of reasons

When it comes to national security, states will have various work arounds for such blocks

Also a range of Chinese engines are now available that are surpassing what the Russians can provide

 

[Desprado123]

Its not really a issue at all for a variety of reasons

When it comes to national security, states will have various work arounds for such blocks

Also a range of Chinese engines are now available that are surpassing what the Russians can provide

Do we alternative ready or Chinese will figure out this issue with Russians?

 

[Mohid Afzal]

The problem is Pakistan wants and needs a platform that it can use to incorporate it's own products, missiles, bombs, avionics it's developing

J10 is great as is J35, but it will be a end product that we will just purchase from china

Pakistan goo forward wants to be able to utilise it's own product for the basis of its air force

our sole AAM is the FAAZ 2 and we don't even know if it's still being worked on or shelved in favour of importing PL-15's

 

[hussain0216]

our sole AAM is the FAAZ 2 and we don't even know if it's still being worked on or shelved in favour of importing PL-15's

It's still being worked on, it's was mixed with a Turkish BVR program as a result, successful completion of the programme is pretty much ensured

It's also the basis of a basic SAM A.D for Pakistan

But that's not all, think of all the basics armaments, bombs, glide bombs, air launched cruise missiles and som's etc

Pakistan is production or developing various products


Even China won't allow us to incorporate all those items on to a J35 or even J10, at least not without a heavy cost involved


Also go onto the PFX thread and take a look at all the components Pakistan is developing that will eventually replace Chinese or other parts on the JF17
this is all the basics required for independence and a product we can make in-house


We may still rely on close allies like China and Turkey for high end products like J35 and KAAN, but they will form the spear tip.of our air force

Pakistan wants a product it can make itself except for maybe the engine and some other parts and weapons and have the freedom to do with it whatever it wants
Sell to whomever, incorporate any weapon it desires

I think PFX is a vital project for Pakistan

 

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[MastanKhan]

The problem is Pakistan wants and needs a platform that it can use to incorporate it's own products, missiles, bombs, avionics it's developing

J10 is great as is J35, but it will be a end product that we will just purchase from china

Pakistan goo forward wants to be able to utilise it's own product for the basis of its air force

Hi,

There is a reason why israel used american aircraft and their own EW package.

The answer should have been obvious to you---.

Why put factory in pakistan when china produces everything for us---.

We don't have to worry about air strikes crippling it---,

All faults in the aircraft are paid for by the chinese---all successes---we take credit of---.

 

[Shazia Abrar]

Every defence analyst including AVM (Retired) Arshad Malik, Air Commodore (R)Khalid Chishti etc., is just talking about J-10C downing Rafales and praising its performance in every talk show or interview. Sometimes it seems as if a single interview/tv show is being watched on repeat. No one is talking about whether JF-17 Block 3 was able to shot down any Indian aircraft? What was its performance in Air to Air role? As a Thunder admirer I find it very strange and frustrating that no one is talking about Thunder's Air to air performance. I just want to ask if there is any reliable and credible information that Thunder has actually shot down an Indian Aircraft or its air to air performance was just embarrassing just like in 2019 (unable to score a kill)? There is a lot of confusion some defence enthusiasts are saying it shot down Mig-29, some are saying it shot down a Mirage-2000 while some are saying it wasn't able to shot down any Indian fighter aircraft.

 

[Oscar]

Every defence analyst including AVM (Retired) Arshad Malik, Air Commodore (R)Khalid Chishti etc., is just talking about J-10C downing Rafales and praising its performance in every talk show or interview. Sometimes it seems as if a single interview/tv show is being watched on repeat. No one is talking about whether JF-17 Block 3 was able to shot down any Indian aircraft? What was its performance in Air to Air role? As a Thunder admirer I find it very strange and frustrating that no one is talking about Thunder's Air to air performance. I just want to ask if there is any reliable and credible information that Thunder has actually shot down an Indian Aircraft or its air to air performance was just embarrassing just like in 2019 (unable to score a kill)? There is a lot of confusion some defence enthusiasts are saying it shot down Mig-29, some are saying it shot down a Mirage-2000 while some are saying it wasn't able to shot down any Indian fighter aircraft.

The Block-3 took down a fighter in the conflict.
Each aircraft deployed is judged based on their position and capabilities by the ground controllers and provided clearances based on their likeliest probability in getting a kill in this chess match.

J-10s were better placed to hit certain strikers while the JF-17 that fired was placed differently.


The JF-17s did admirably in strike missions that followed including defeating enemy SAMs thrown at them.

 

[Desprado123]

Off the topic. According to Indian media. India is halting entire Rafale purchase for Navy. Focusing or copying Pakistan style with home grown defense and thinking to shift or ally with. Russia is top on the list India might fully ally on defense product like Pakistan with China. India magzine accoridng to Indian defense analysis claim that India now will focus not on big products but what India needs and it what product is effective for India. This is not from Pakistan channel but same Indian channel on youtube which in directly confirmed that Pakistan shot down Rafale by saying "world believe propaganda because India had no reply". He quoted Indian defense magzine.

 

[Michael]

Can someone please explain why chinese and Russian jets dont have a complete glass canopy like US jets? As in if you see the f16 or even f22 there is no metal bar in between the canopy and nose while in Chinese and Russians jets there r. Any reason as to why that is? Do we not have the expertise to change the canopy design of JF 17 or would that compromise the structural integrity or something like that?

There have been professional analyses about this issue on Chinese social media before. I am not an expert and I can only relay the content of these analyses.

The early test versions of the J-20 also had a full, unreinforced cockpit cover. But in the official production version, it was changed to a cockpit cover with reinforcements.


These are actually two different modes of emergency escape.

The F-22 uses an escape by jettisoning the cockpit cover and then ejecting the seat. It can make the cockpit cover very thick.

The J-20 uses blasting the cockpit cover and then ejecting the seat to escape. The cockpit cover cannot be made too thick due to the fear that too much explosives needed for the blast cord will harm the pilot. It needs a reinforcement bar to strengthen the cockpit cover.

The response time of the way of ditching the cockpit cover is slower and it suffers from some delay. Blasting the cockpit cover and then ejecting the seat is faster and better for the pilot's emergency escape.

These are two different technical choices, that's all.

The J-20 is actually still a complete cockpit cover and has not been divided into two segments, except, it has a reinforcement bar in it. The F-35 also uses this scheme. the F-22 is an early product.

 

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MiG-29 going up against JF-17 at this point is like Me 109 E going up against P-51 D. Don't try it. Just don't.

 

[Shazia Abrar]

The Block-3 took down a fighter in the conflict.
Each aircraft deployed is judged based on their position and capabilities by the ground controllers and provided clearances based on their likeliest probability in getting a kill in this chess match.

J-10s were better placed to hit certain strikers while the JF-17 that fired was placed differently.


The JF-17s did admirably in strike missions that followed including defeating enemy SAMs thrown at them.

If Block 3 did shoot down a fighter jet then can you please tell which aircraft was that? Moreover why Thunder's first air kill wasn't celebrated the way J-10C was celebrated all across the social media, print and electronic media?