JF-17 - Updates, News & Discussion

[MastanKhan]

What is the range of JF-17 Block 3 AESA radar ? some indians now saying that its radar cannot even match the export version of PL-15E which is 145KM?

Also did we shifted to chinese variant of rd33 engine or we still on russian engine?

Hi,

Young sir---the JF17 BLK3 radar is superior to the Rafales radar and is based on a tier above newer technology and has a better range than the rafale radar---.

The radar's in the aircraft are not needed in the first few days of a war when there are awacs available---.

Awacs find enemy aircraft thru their long range radars while flying far behind friendly aircraft---thru data link---they then lock on to the enemy aircraft by a missile carried by a friendly fighter aircraft whence the missile is launched---the forward flying friendly aircraft does not need to turn on their radars---.

That is how the Rafales were neutered ( hum nain Rafales ko Khassi kar dia thaa )---. They did not know what was coming at them till the last moment---.

Now---why did I write 'first few days"---. In most cases---after first few days---the awacs would be neutered and then fighter aircraft will have to fight with each other's radars---.

But in our case---our success was so overwhelming---that no indian aircraft was seen flying for at least 48 hours from the begining of hostilities till cease fire near the international border---.

 

[Tariq Habib Afridi]

Hi,

Young sir---the JF17 BLK3 radar is superior to the Rafales radar and is based on a tier above newer technology and has a better range than the rafale radar---.

The radar's in the aircraft are not needed in the first few days of a war when there are awacs available---.

Awacs find enemy aircraft thru their long range radars while flying far behind friendly aircraft---thru data link---they then lock on to the enemy aircraft by a missile carried by a friendly fighter aircraft whence the missile is launched---the forward flying friendly aircraft does not need to turn on their radars---.

That is how the Rafales were neutered ( hum nain Rafales ko Khassi kar dia thaa )---. They did not know what was coming at them till the last moment---.

Now---why did I write 'first few days"---. In most cases---after first few days---the awacs would be neutered and then fighter aircraft will have to fight with each other's radars---.

But in our case---our success was so overwhelming---that no indian aircraft was seen flying for at least 48 hours from the begining of hostilities till cease fire near the international border---.

Hi

I am following you from previous defence.pk from past 6 years. Thank you for this information what i wanted to know is the range of radar which you mentioned it is not lower than Rafale especially that indian F3R variants. Thanks

 

[frontline360news]

The Pakistan Air Force (PAF) is recognized for its strategic capabilities and operational strength, but concerns remain over the continued use of aging aircraft, particularly the F-7 and Mirage series, which have been in service for decades. These platforms, despite undergoing upgrades, are increasingly outmatched by modern air combat requirements and should have been retired nearly a decade ago. The key question now is: What is PAF’s long term plan for their replacement?

With the induction of JF-17 Block III and J-10CE fighters, Pakistan is taking steps toward modernization, but a comprehensive fleet renewal strategy is still needed. As regional air forces move toward 5th-generation capabilities, PAF’s ability to maintain aerial superiority will depend on a structured transition from legacy aircraft to next-generation platforms

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi

I am following you from previous defence.pk from past 6 years. Thank you for this information what i wanted to know is the range of radar which you mentioned it is not lower than Rafale especially that indian F3R variants. Thanks

Hi,

You have to take a look at pakistan's assets in a different way---.

The JF17 BLK3---Argentine had picked this fighter for their air force---. Guess what happened---. The US overthrew that govt---got its own govt which went for used F16's---.

The americans for sure knew what the JF17 BLK3 contained---to have taken such a drastic step---.

 

[Tariq Habib Afridi]

Hi,

You have to take a look at pakistan's assets in a different way---.

The JF17 BLK3---Argentine had picked this fighter for their air force---. Guess what happened---. The US overthrew that govt---got its own govt which went for used F16's---.

The americans for sure knew what the JF17 BLK3 contained---to have taken such a drastic step---.

Assalam U Alaikum,

I didnt knew about the change of argentina govt as for the last couple of years i was away from defence news and was busy in my PhD. thanks for this info.

A question from you for attack/bomber fighter what are your opinion about JF-17 completely replacing mirage 3/5? I still believe in new PFX we should also make one attack/bomber aircraft. we need to be offensive for too long we are defensive in our strategy?

 

[MastanKhan]

Assalam U Alaikum,

I didnt knew about the change of argentina govt as for the last couple of years i was away from defence news and was busy in my PhD. thanks for this info.

A question from you for attack/bomber fighter what are your opinion about JF-17 completely replacing mirage 3/5? I still believe in new PFX we should also make one attack/bomber aircraft. we need to be offensive for too long we are defensive in our strategy?

Hi,

After having grounded the indian air force and taken out the S400's---Paf shopuldd have started the suppression of enemy defences followed by the destruction of enemy defences---.

The mirage's would have been used after the suppression and for the destruction part of enemy defences---.

Pakistan needs heavy strike aircraft---.

 

[Tariq Habib Afridi]

Hi,

After having grounded the indian air force and taken out the S400's---Paf shopuldd have started the suppression of enemy defences followed by the destruction of enemy defences---.

The mirage's would have been used after the suppression and for the destruction part of enemy defences---.

Pakistan needs heavy strike aircraft---.

Assalam U Alaikum

I agree pakistan needs heavy strike aircraft. we now needs to be offensive in order to defend.

 

[Reichmarshal]

Brother, I’ve come with my full name, and you can check me on Google Scholar. I’m not Indian, but when those Indian nonsense videos came up on YouTube, I watched them, though I couldn’t watch them fully. They were saying they have some UK drone that can copy the RCS and electronic signature of any aircraft, haha and the Pakistanis got fooled, thinking they shot down our plane. So, you fools, why was then the IAF grounded for two days due to a tactical error? They didn’t discuss that. Then they went on to say they hit 11% of PAF assets in the air and on the ground, and the next guy was saying that amounts to 40 planes, and that’s when I’d had enough. They’ve become an extremely ignorant nation; otherwise, I used to rate them highly intellectually before. That’s when this question came to my mind while they were discussing the JF-17. and if there are any sensitive information it must not be discussed here openly. if radar range and engine secrecy can have some advantage in the future encounter for us then my questions must be ignored

maray bhai if ur easily offended, then ur at the wrong place. Here u have to earn ur keep.......most members here have been at this forum n its predecessor forum for years if not decades.....so don't feel astounded if ur viewed with suspicion.

Any ways welcome to the forum

 

[Psyko70]

Hi,

After having grounded the indian air force and taken out the S400's---Paf shopuldd have started the suppression of enemy defences followed by the destruction of enemy defences---.

The mirage's would have been used after the suppression and for the destruction part of enemy defences---.

Pakistan needs heavy strike aircraft---.

The best defense is a good offense

 

[frontline360news]

Assalam U Alaikum,

I didnt knew about the change of argentina govt as for the last couple of years i was away from defence news and was busy in my PhD. thanks for this info.

A question from you for attack/bomber fighter what are your opinion about JF-17 completely replacing mirage 3/5? I still believe in new PFX we should also make one attack/bomber aircraft. we need to be offensive for too long we are defensive in our strategy?

There is still conflicting information surrounding Pakistan’s PFX fighter program, raising questions about its design origins and strategic direction. Will Pakistan acquire the TAI FX-5 concept for its single-engine multirole fighter, or is the PFX a completely indigenous project aimed at strengthening its air force alongside the JF-17?

Recent reports suggest that Pakistan is prioritizing domestic development, aiming to create a 4.5-generation fighter with advanced stealth features, reduced radar cross-section, and modern avionics. While earlier speculation hinted at a twin-engine platform, newer updates indicate a shift toward a single-engine design, possibly leveraging technologies from the JF-17 program.

Pakistan’s long-term air combat strategy will likely determine whether it partners with Turkey’s TAI FX-5 or continues with a fully homegrown approach. The PFX program is expected to enhance Pakistan’s aerial capabilities, ensuring greater self-reliance in defense manufacturing while maintaining regional air superiority. However, challenges remain, including engine development, stealth integration, and avionics refinement.

As Pakistan moves forward, clarity on the PFX’s final design, production timeline, and technological partnerships will be crucial. Will it be a collaborative effort, or will Pakistan take a bold step toward complete independence in fighter jet development?

 

[Tariq Habib Afridi]

There is still conflicting information surrounding Pakistan’s PFX fighter program, raising questions about its design origins and strategic direction. Will Pakistan acquire the TAI FX-5 concept for its single-engine multirole fighter, or is the PFX a completely indigenous project aimed at strengthening its air force alongside the JF-17?

Recent reports suggest that Pakistan is prioritizing domestic development, aiming to create a 4.5-generation fighter with advanced stealth features, reduced radar cross-section, and modern avionics. While earlier speculation hinted at a twin-engine platform, newer updates indicate a shift toward a single-engine design, possibly leveraging technologies from the JF-17 program.

Pakistan’s long-term air combat strategy will likely determine whether it partners with Turkey’s TAI FX-5 or continues with a fully homegrown approach. The PFX program is expected to enhance Pakistan’s aerial capabilities, ensuring greater self-reliance in defense manufacturing while maintaining regional air superiority. However, challenges remain, including engine development, stealth integration, and avionics refinement.

As Pakistan moves forward, clarity on the PFX’s final design, production timeline, and technological partnerships will be crucial. Will it be a collaborative effort, or will Pakistan take a bold step toward complete independence in fighter jet development?

If they partner with turkey it still wont be bad but do that with complete transfer of technology. that way they will share the cost as well as turkish advance technology help. also it will reduce the time for production

 

[Tariq Habib Afridi]

maray bhai if ur easily offended, then ur at the wrong place. Here u have to earn ur keep.......most members here have been at this forum n its predecessor forum for years if not decades.....so don't feel astounded if ur viewed with suspicion.

Any ways welcome to the forum

Thank you for the advice. i will try to keep calm and will always be civilised IA.

 

[ghazi52]

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

Not seen any new pictures of the JF-17 Thunder Block 3 since serisl number 23-323. That was 2 years ago.

According to retired Air Commodore Khalid Chishti who has exclusive access to PAF, in a recent interview (with Siasat.pk I think?), said that Pakistan Air Force is currently operating over 200 JF-17 Thunders.

Publically known JF-17 Thunder inventory so far:
(50+59+26+23 -(4)) = 154

So, has Pakistan quietly acquired at least 46 additional JF-17 Thunder Block-3 aircrafts in the last 2-3 years without making any announcements?

By the way, Air Commodore's YouTube Channel if you're interested.

Khalid Chishti

Air Commodore Khalid Chishti (R) joined PAF as a fighter pilot and commanded a Fighter Squadron and flew over 3000 hours. He also remained Faculty Member at NDU, Islamabad, PAF Air War College, Naval War College. He worked as Assistant to PAF Chief on Training and Education and also a remained...

youtube.com

 

[Desprado123]

Not seen any new pictures of the JF-17 Thunder Block 3 since serisl number 23-323. That was 2 years ago.

According to retired Air Commodore Khalid Chishti who has exclusive access to PAF, in a recent interview (with Siasat.pk I think?), said that Pakistan Air Force is currently operating over 200 JF-17 Thunders.

Publically known JF-17 Thunder inventory so far:
(50+59+26+23 -(4)) = 154

So, has Pakistan quietly acquired at least 46 additional JF-17 Thunder Block-3 aircrafts in the last 2-3 years without making any announcements?

By the way, Air Commodore's YouTube Channel if you're interested.

Khalid Chishti

Air Commodore Khalid Chishti (R) joined PAF as a fighter pilot and commanded a Fighter Squadron and flew over 3000 hours. He also remained Faculty Member at NDU, Islamabad, PAF Air War College, Naval War College. He worked as Assistant to PAF Chief on Training and Education and also a remained...

youtube.com

I think he is correct because there no official update. The only reliable source for Pakistan's army equipment willbe ex army personal.