JF-17 - Updates, News & Discussion

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

What was the outcome of all the rumours about JF17 Sales

a) Saudi (Sudan)
b) Bangladesh
c) Samalia
d) Indonesia

What actually materialized and what turned out to be just potential Opportunity

Erie silence about JF17 induction since we got J10C

 

[RocketLaw]

Al Jouf, Saudi Arabia

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[JamD]

What was the outcome of all the rumours about JF17 Sales

a) Saudi (Sudan)
b) Bangladesh
c) Samalia
d) Indonesia

What actually materialized and what turned out to be just potential Opportunity

Erie silence about JF17 induction since we got J10C

ISPR peddled propaganda. Didn't buy it then, called nay sayer back then. Look at facts in hindsight. An attempt at fake it till you make it marketing. Unfortunately, that's not how international defence contracts are signed.

 

[Cipher212]

What was the outcome of all the rumours about JF17 Sales

a) Saudi (Sudan)
b) Bangladesh
c) Samalia
d) Indonesia

What actually materialized and what turned out to be just potential Opportunity

Erie silence about JF17 induction since we got J10C

The current administration has a habit of dropping feel-good fake hype news articles that proliferate rapidly due to their big claims. Usually they are MoUs but in this case it was 'potential' JF-17 sales. We got duped.

I do think that the JF-17 will get at least 1-2 more operators before it ends its career but it is increasingly difficult. All those MiG-21/29 operators that could have been potential JF-17 customers are either not looking or forbidden.

 

[Pakistanithinktank]

The current administration has a habit of dropping feel-good fake hype news articles that proliferate rapidly due to their big claims. Usually they are MoUs but in this case it was 'potential' JF-17 sales. We got duped.

I do think that the JF-17 will get at least 1-2 more operators before it ends its career but it is increasingly difficult. All those MiG-21/29 operators that could have been potential JF-17 customers are either not looking or forbidden.

JF‑17 exports were hyped as the magic fix for Pakistan’s economy and a way to escape IMF dependence.

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

Al Jouf, Saudi Arabia

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where is the PL-16, are PL-16 is inducted by PAF? don't believe in some random X

 

[Michael]

Do we know what specifically makes block 1s or 2s for that matter not upgrade worthy?

According to publicly available information, the bare cost of a JF-17 Block I is approximately $15 million, while that of a JF-17 Block III is approximately $30 million.

The bare cost of a fighter jet includes: engine, radar, avionics systems, flight control systems, cockpit systems, airframe manufacturing costs, and the amortization of research and development costs and factory construction costs. Airframe manufacturing costs constitute a relatively small percentage.

Upgrading from JF-17 Block I to JF-17 Block III is not a simple upgrade, but a complete overhaul. Almost all avionics systems are replaced, with only the engine and airframe relatively retained.

Furthermore, fighter jet engines are consumables. Upgrading an older JF-17 Block I to Block III requires replacing the engine with a completely new one.

In addition, the JF-17 Block I airframe also requires extensive modifications. The JF-17 Block III's internal piping system is far more complex than that of the JF-17 Block I; the JF-17 Block III's airframe utilizes a large amount of composite materials...

You can roughly estimate the residual value of these aging JF-17 Block I aircraft. If we carefully calculate the costs, it's highly likely that upgrading these aging JF-17 Block I aircraft to Block III would cost close to or even exceed the cost of building new JF-17 Block III aircraft.

 

[sutton9999]

Bangladesh is the most likely, hard to imagine they solely rely on a handful of Eurofighters, with Meteor Indian owns.

 

[LX1111]

All sounds great, but like the rest, uve over looked the elephant in the room ie financies.
Even with the current financial mess, we have done pretty well, but it has its limits n we don't need to ta take things to the breaking point.
baki if money were not an issue, then PAF would have been looking to induct the spaceship Enterprise, and our Chinese friends would have wanting us to let them in on out tech of warp drive n such.

The biggest problem with the JF-17 fighter jet is actually the engine.
RD93 weight is 1221KG.T/W is 6.9
Although RD93 thrustvery large, but relative to F404-IN20.Still too heavy
.F404-IN20The engine T/W can reach 7.83, which has a significant advantage over the RD-93
The JF-17 probably doesn't have enough redundancy to add other equipment.
ifThe JF-17 might also be equipped with the WS-13IPE/WS-21, which could lead to some development potential. However, if it continues to use the RD-93, the development of the JF-17 will come to an end.

 

[Oscar]

ISPR peddled propaganda. Didn't buy it then, called nay sayer back then. Look at facts in hindsight. An attempt at fake it till you make it marketing. Unfortunately, that's not how international defence contracts are signed.

I put it more to a cultural aspect.

Pakistanis more often than not have the tendency to fantasize as soon as a girl smiles as them and imagine their entire lives with her while she is simply being polite - and then they go and announce to their entire group "Hassi tu phassi".

 

[Oscar]

The current administration has a habit of dropping feel-good fake hype news articles that proliferate rapidly due to their big claims. Usually they are MoUs but in this case it was 'potential' JF-17 sales. We got duped.

I do think that the JF-17 will get at least 1-2 more operators before it ends its career but it is increasingly difficult. All those MiG-21/29 operators that could have been potential JF-17 customers are either not looking or forbidden.

They were looking some 20 years ago but you simply could not deliver at that time.
Now when their pockets have opened up and they bought from elsewhere you are like "I am ready now".

 

[CallSignMaverick]

The biggest problem with the JF-17 fighter jet is actually the engine.
RD93 weight is 1221KG.T/W is 6.9
Although RD93 thrustvery large, but relative to F404-IN20.Still too heavy
View attachment 200533.F404-IN20The engine T/W can reach 7.83, which has a significant advantage over the RD-93
The JF-17 probably doesn't have enough redundancy to add other equipment.
ifThe JF-17 might also be equipped with the WS-13IPE/WS-21, which could lead to some development potential. However, if it continues to use the RD-93, the development of the JF-17 will come to an end.

What is the onboard power generation of both engines? Also the MTBOs?

 

[LX1111]

What is the onboard power generation of both engines? Also the MTBOs?

RD93 lifespan is no obvious disadvantage.The overhaul period is 1000 hours, and the total service life is 4000 hours.and JF-17 lifespans are about the same.

 

[Reichmarshal]

I put it more to a cultural aspect.

Pakistanis more often than not have the tendency to fantasize as soon as a girl smiles as them and imagine their entire lives with her while she is simply being polite - and then they go and announce to their entire group "Hassi tu phassi".

Woh zamanay chalay gai....
For ur gen it was true but not for the gens after u

 

[Reichmarshal]

The biggest problem with the JF-17 fighter jet is actually the engine.
RD93 weight is 1221KG.T/W is 6.9
Although RD93 thrustvery large, but relative to F404-IN20.Still too heavy
View attachment 200533.F404-IN20The engine T/W can reach 7.83, which has a significant advantage over the RD-93
The JF-17 probably doesn't have enough redundancy to add other equipment.
ifThe JF-17 might also be equipped with the WS-13IPE/WS-21, which could lead to some development potential. However, if it continues to use the RD-93, the development of the JF-17 will come to an end.

At the inseption of the jet, that was the best engine available. PAC has lots of experience with the engine now n has good maintenance facilities now available in house.
Plus kilomov has done lots of work over time has worked well with PAC to improve the engine over time.
It would be foolish to let go off all that PAC has bult over the decades.
Hence the reason why PAC haven't gone for the Chinese engine or any other for thst matter