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[TheLine]

And have you noticed that the Iranians have air defense and the Houthis don't?

btw why are you randomly changing subjects, my point on the "houthis"(it wasn't the houthis) was the Iranian missiles that knocked out half the production of Saudi, without even a massive attack.

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Are you a zionist by any chance? lol

Fair point. Israel has proven it can strike anywhere in the region.Syria has air defense same for Egypt and Iraq. I don't think Iran air defense is that much of a problem.im not a Zionist I'm just giving my point of view.

 

[RescueRanger]

China is the answer.

Finally someone said it. Short and sweet.

 

[TheLine]

And have you noticed that the Iranians have air defense and the Houthis don't?

btw why are you randomly changing subjects, my point on the "houthis"(it wasn't the houthis) was the Iranian missiles that knocked out half the production of Saudi, without even a massive attack.

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Are you a zionist by any chance? lol

U should look up operation focus.The first Israeli wave attacked 11 bases, catching much of the Egyptian Air Force on the ground and destroying them before they got airborne. The Israeli jets then returned to Israel, refueled and re-armed, and left in a second wave that attacked 14 Egyptian bases and returned with only minor losses.They refueled and re-armed again and departed in a third wave.Egypt's air force of nearly 500 combat aircraft was destroyed in the space of three hours

 

[Reichmarshal]

Too little too late
The mullahs dident built the AF as they felt threatened by the fact that most of the AF was western trained, same with the army n the navy....they instead built up the irgc, who r better equipped n funded but related poorly trained.
The mullahs r realizing this but now its too late in the day.

All this Iran's over reliance on AD systems is nothing more then false bravado.

In the event of an isreali/u.s attack the AD along with the AF will be neutralized in the first wave/Salvo.......n then iran will be at the total mercy of the isrealis. The more the Iranians resist the more the ferocious the attack will be.

We all need to realize that this whole thing in the middle east is being orchestrated n funded by the evangelical Christians zionists in collaboration with Jewish zionist.

 

[KingQamaR]

Fair point. Israel has proven it can strike anywhere in the region.Syria has air defense same for Egypt and Iraq. I don't think Iran air defense is that much of a problem.im not a Zionist I'm just giving my point of view.

Does it really matter?


The F-35Bs that Israel operates simply don't have the fuel to cross Syria and Iraq, loiter over Iran then return after dropping two bombs.


And when Iran can simply put rockets right into the middle of Israeli air stations, whether F-35s can penetrate into Iranian airspace or not becomes kind of moot.

 

[mythbuster]

Too little too late
The mullahs dident built the AF as they felt threatened by the fact that most of the AF was western trained, same with the army n the navy....they instead built up the irgc, who r better equipped n funded but related poorly trained.
The mullahs r realizing this but now its too late in the day.

All this Iran's over reliance on AD systems is nothing more then false bravado.

In the event of an isreali/u.s attack the AD along with the AF will be neutralized in the first wave/Salvo.......n then iran will be at the total mercy of the isrealis. The more the Iranians resist the more the ferocious the attack will be.

We all need to realize that this whole thing in the middle east is being orchestrated n funded by the evangelical Christians zionists in collaboration with Jewish zionist.

It's not that Iranians didn't want to have a good airforce , it's security council that barred Iran from buying aircrafts ...no country was willing to sell them not even Russia .

 

[Neocloud]

Cluster bombs are very sensitive in the international arena, and there are many countries that strongly demand a ban on cluster bombs, with 111 countries signing the Convention on Cluster Bombs. China, India, Pakistan and others have not signed the treaty. However, due to the international implications of cluster bombs, the Tianlei-500 is not suitable for export to other countries.

The US sent cluster bombs to Ukraine, and they've used it on the Russians already.

China should probably consider stop playing by the rules that the US and the West doesn't stick to themselves.

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[Cryptonian]

Does it really matter?


The F-35Bs that Israel operates simply don't have the fuel to cross Syria and Iraq, loiter over Iran then return after dropping two bombs.


And when Iran can simply put rockets right into the middle of Israeli air stations, whether F-35s can penetrate into Iranian airspace or not becomes kind of moot.

I have a hypothesis that F35's internal bay can be modified to carry more fuel 2.5T+7T own, then the bomber F35 can buddy refuel over Iraq/Syria while returning.

 

[KingQamaR]

I have a hypothesis that F35's internal bay can be modified to carry more fuel 2.5T+7T own, then the bomber F35 can buddy refuel over Iraq/Syria while returning.

But air tankers aren’t stealthy and only draw attention to the fact that there are combat aircraft about.

 

[Cryptonian]

@mods can move convo to related thread .

But air tankers aren’t stealthy and only draw attention to the fact that there are combat aircraft about.

Yes. Thats why I said buddy refuel. F35 will release drogue and refuel the returning bomber f35 .

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[Michael]

The US sent cluster bombs to Ukraine, and they've used it on the Russians already.
China should probably consider stop playing by the rules that the US and the West doesn't stick to themselves.

And then what? China exported cluster bombs to Russia? Does Russia need us to export them?
Calm down!
Cluster bombs are not high-tech. The Tianlei-500 is very simple to manufacture. Its real technological core is in the explosives. Some countries produce very small 500Kg bombs, while others produce very powerful 500Kg bombs, and the Tianlei-500 is able to destroy airport runways because of the power of its explosives.

 

[KingQamaR]

@mods can move convo to related thread .

Yes. Thats why I said buddy refuel. F35 will release drogue and refuel the returning bomber f35 .

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The F35 is no secret has to refuel mid flight!! The Iranian Radars can use this knowing the planes are coming and prepare to engage.

 

[Awwad]

All this Iran's over reliance on AD systems is nothing more then false bravado.

That's true. It's actually true for most countries including Pakistan & India. People look at Israel's AD and imagine if their country can do the same, without realizing that Israel has a very tiny airspace and it has a very dense and extremely expensive air defense systems. Still its not impregnable.

The mullahs dident built the AF as they felt threatened by the fact that most of the AF was western trained, same with the army n the navy....they instead built up the irgc, who r better equipped n funded but related poorly trained.
The mullahs r realizing this but now its too late in the day.

Iran couldn't build its airforce. It could be due to Mullah's decisions initially but Iran did a very wise move by investing in its Ballistic missiles & drone program. These are the assets which are in mobile launchers and everywhere in Iran and under tunnels and caves. They are far easier to conceal and can be readied to attack quickly. The airbases on other hand are very difficult to conceal, as they are open and requires long runways.

BMs / CMs are more effective against Israel than combat jets as far as attack is concerned. There was never a chance that Iranian airforce fighter jets (even if they had exactly same inventory as PAF) to attack Israel. The F-35s / F-15s / Vipers along with Israeli AD would have downed most iranian jets in any confrontation. Today Iran can attack Israel with ZERO causality of its own. Iran specifically invested in those arsenal which can be safe-guarded / concealed and can also be used against its enemy (Israel) effectively. In that regard it makes sense. There could also be concerned that if Iran spend billions on fighter jets, those can still be destroyed on the ground by surprise large scale BM/CM attack.

Plus building a modern airforce requires billions of dollars and countries which can offer it. I think Iran got the supplier country (Russia) only recently because Russia is already under sanctions so it does not matter now for Russia.

I think focusing more on BMs / CMs than its airforce was also due to the large distance between Israel & Iran. If Iran would have been in comfortable range of Israeli airforce then it was necessary for Iran to also focus on its own airforce. Iran realized its not the case and it needed weapons to reach Israel, so it put its entire focus on Missiles.

Anyways, airforce still is very important despite the large distance from hostile country. It provides most credible defense against enemy combat jets. There is no doubt in it.

Kindly note my all of above talk is focused on Iran Vs Israel. If you put US in the scenario then everything changes. Imagine US B-2 bomber or F-35s from carriers coming your way. Then only thing which can provide resistance for sometime is your own Air force. However, I am not very optimistic about Iranian air force supposedly units (Sukhois, JF-17s, J-10Cs --- can't imagine any western aircrafts for Iran) against 5th gen stealth fighters.

 

[Neocloud]

And then what? China exported cluster bombs to Russia? Does Russia need us to export them?

Nah, that's not what I mean, but just in general that China probably shouldn't be playing by the rules that nobody else is playing by and limiting its options.

 

[Reichmarshal]

It's not that Iranians didn't want to have a good airforce , it's security council that barred Iran from buying aircrafts ...no country was willing to sell them not even Russia .

Russia has been under eu/u.s sanctions for more then a decade.
Leaving everything aside if iran was really serious they could have bought anything from the Russians but they dident.
The prob has never been Russia but its iran n its nuclear agreement thst it struck while John carrie was in charge. That Freemont forbid Iran from buying fighter ac from Russia n even though it fell through mid way but still iran was wishful of carring it through.
Now that iran has woken up to reality.....its too freaking late in the day.