JF-17 - Updates, News & Discussion

[Fatman17]

 

[gamaji]

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That clears it all, I think. These five JF-17 Thunders flew to Baku in Pakistani colors/flag and then were handed over to Azerbaijan. These Thunders will get Azerbaijani colors in Baku. That fits nicely with the news that the aerial fuel tanker that accompanied them to Baku has already flown back to Pakistan a few days ago.

 

[Qaraca]

That clears it all, I think. These five JF-17 Thunders flew to Baku in Pakistani colors/flag and then were handed over to Azerbaijan. These Thunders will get Azerbaijani colors in Baku. That fits nicely with the news that the aerial fuel tanker that accompanied them to Baku has already flown back to Pakistan a few days ago.

Pure speculation:

Maybe they will be used for training and overall transition until first newly built Azerbaijani JF-17Cs arrive.

Again, this is pure speculation. I don’t claim to know anything. Maybe it’s none of that and those jets return to Pakistan soon anyway. I think Janes article itself is based on assumption.

 

[bravo_1]

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[Deino]

@Deino


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this is a 24 build year, PAF last birds were built in 23, might be a testbed for azeri mods actually...

i make out 24-XX4

Thanks my friend ... but what do you say about claims this is already an Azeri JF-17C since it allegedly no longer has a Pakistani flag?

 

[Ak01]

Thanks my friend ... but what do you say about claims this is already an Azeri JF-17C since it allegedly no longer has a Pakistani flag?

Im sure the azeris requested extensive modifications…
Perhaps these are joint test bed aircraft?

 

[RAMPAGE]

Im sure the azeris requested extensive modifications…
Perhaps these are joint test bed aircraft?

Im sure the azeris requested extensive modifications…
Perhaps these are joint test bed aircraft?

But why are you sure the Azeris requested extensive modifications? Why do they need it modified?

 

[hasssanali8998]

But why are you sure the Azeris requested extensive modifications? Why do they need it modified?

every af has different use cases and priorities .

 

[RAMPAGE]

every af has different use cases and priorities .

And what do the Azeris want to do with the JF-17? Fly it to the moon? It's a multirole fighter that's pretty much upgraded to capacity.

 

[Ak01]

But why are you sure the Azeris requested extensive modifications? Why do they need it modified?

Because originally, when they showed interest in the JF-17, they did.

I believe according to @Quwa, originally they wanted integration of Israeli equipment.

This time round it’s likely Turkish equipment, Turk-ifying it to meet their needs. If not avionics, weapons for sure.

 

[Ak01]

And what do the Azeris want to do with the JF-17? Fly it to the moon? It's a multirole fighter that's pretty much upgraded to capacity.

So what?

A shoe is a shoe, but not the same shoe can suit everyone’s foot

 

[RAMPAGE]

Because originally, when they showed interest in the JF-17, they did.

I believe according to @Quwa, originally they wanted integration of Israeli equipment.

This time round it’s likely Turkish equipment, Turk-ifying it to meet their needs. If not avionics, weapons for sure.

@Quwa Can you shed more light on this? Obviously, if they want Turkish equipment, then they want it. But why though? What can Turkey offer that China cannot or will not?

 

[m52k85]

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Always tooting his horn, this guy.

 

[Michael]

Obviously, if they want Turkish equipment, then they want it. But why though? What can Turkey offer that China cannot or will not?

All modern fighter jets, including the JF-17, employ a modular design. This is very similar to a personal computer. Users select different components (subsystems) to assemble the final product according to their needs, as long as they conform to the corresponding technical specifications. ------ The JF-17 fighter jet was designed from the outset to be compatible with both Chinese and NATO standards.

As for which subsystems or weapons and ammunition Azerbaijan will choose when purchasing the JF-17, this involves multiple factors, not just the performance or price of the subsystems or weapons and ammunition themselves.

In modern air power systems, fighter jets are merely the "tip of the blade," supported by a vast and complex infrastructure. Therefore, fighter jet trade is closely linked to national political and diplomatic trends. While the performance and price of the fighter jet itself are important factors in a buyer's decision, they are not the only ones. In some countries, they are not even considered important factors.

BTW.
In 2024, Serbia abandoned its plan to purchase J-10CE fighter jets from China and instead opted to buy Rafale fighter jets from France.
On the surface, Serbia has long relied on Soviet (Russian) standard weapons systems. Furthermore, Serbia's relationship with China has been very close in recent years. Therefore, their choice of the J-10CE fighter jet seemed more logical. However, they chose the Rafale.
Some international media outlets interpreted this as a signal of a shift in Serbia's political and diplomatic stance.
However, Chinese social media generally expressed understanding for Serbia's decision. No one criticized it.