JF-17 - Updates, News & Discussion

[hasssanali8998]

Bangladeshi sources :

Bangladesh Air Force in Talks for 48 JF-17 Block III Fighters in Comprehensive Deal with Pakistan - Bangladesh Military Forces

Reading Time: 3 minutesThe Bangladesh Air Force (BAF) is reportedly negotiating a major combat aviation acquisition with the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) for 48 JF-17 Block III multirole fighter aircraft, a move that could significantly reshape the country’s airpower posture over the...

www.bdmilitary.com

not a reliable source if they are claiming they will get raad

 

[Jango007]

not a reliable source if they are claiming they will get raad

I always look at the writer’s credentials . He seems pretty solid guy .

Unfortunately I do have to agree with some posters that this all could be a complete nonsense and stories made
Up to boost the image of failed martial and his boot licking rat.

Unfortunately I have talked to two recently retired very high ranking officials and they seem to be somewhat confused with the long list of customers although they mentioned one or two of these deals may materialize and they pointed at Bangladesh as the most likely. Only thing is that we have to wait for the new government to sign off on this …..

Before we get too excited do remember few years back news of Argentina and Srilanka signing the agreements or almost did and nothing came out of it.

 

[safriz]

The amount of pessimists raiding this thread is astounding.
This is a national problem in Pakistan. We downplay our successes, and shout our failures from rooftops.
Too impressed with other nations, and not impressed at all with our own.

 

[Psyko70]

I always look at the writer’s credentials . He seems pretty solid guy .

Unfortunately I do have to agree with some posters that this all could be a complete nonsense and stories made
Up to boost the image of failed martial and his boot licking rat.

Unfortunately I have talked to two recently retired very high ranking officials and they seem to be somewhat confused with the long list of customers although they mentioned one or two of these deals may materialize and they pointed at Bangladesh as the most likely. Only thing is that we have to wait for the new government to sign off on this …..

Before we get too excited do remember few years back news of Argentina and Srilanka signing the agreements or almost did and nothing came out of it.

Hello sir,

Respectfully, in my experience the very high officials retired or not. can't have details to latest updates. Yes I am not known much but I know this because I have assessed it and found that they just do is speculate.

Now about Argentina and Sri Lanka you are absolutely right I also got excited when that rumor started. However, that was true and not rumor it was lobby of India in case of Sri Lanka and America in case of Argentina who blocked or interfered.

Right now circumstances are different. With US busy in Venezuela and Greenland world has come to know the truth that US is not a reliable weapons supplier and time and again it has been seen by world. We already have 3 operators of jf17 who are fine with its services. Nigeria literally stopped a Gambia coup attempt with 3 JF 17. Myanmar is 2nd and 3rd is Azerbaijan. Also, the biggest operator is Pakistan which has easily a track record of one of best airforce in terms of Training and professionalism and fighting experience and that operates JF17. Now if you go to other places apart from this forum where there is always sense of doubt rather than hope, you will find that people in muslim countries specially admire the life of jf17 and if not want them as main fighter it definitely wants them in secondary role.

Apart from KSA, Bangladesh as you said most likely. Yes it is and it will be Stupidness from Bangladesh side if the deal is not materialized as India has made sure to keep them weak.

You are right about everything apart from 1st. But I am adding in your point that countries that have shown interest of jf17 should buy it and if not its there loss. Because relying on Russia is unreliable, relying on US means blackmailing or at time of war expect weapons and supplies getting expensive.​

 

[gamaji]

The amount of pessimists raiding this thread is astounding.
This is a national problem in Pakistan. We downplay our successes, and shout our failures from rooftops.
Too impressed with other nations, and not impressed at all with our own.

Don't lose hope, bro. If optimists don't have solid proof to offer, the pessimists too are making claims of their wishful thinking. Time will certainly prove one side's claims wrong. We can certainly assume that all these stories are not merely the planted ones. There must be some negotiations going on at various stages. May be none, some, or all of those negotiations can conclude with actual deals signed.

 

[Samurai]

I think the problem is political. US wants Iraqi airspace uncontested for Israel so it can hit neighbouring countries primary Iran at will. If Iraq buys 30 to 40 Bk3s with PL-15s you can bet the Israelis will be thinking more than twice before using Iraqi airspace.

Yes but then they got stealthy F-35s for that job or if they want to achieve air superiority.

 

[maxpane]

So that news is not true?

sir it could be true .

 

[falcon34]

Yes but then they got stealthy F-35s for that job or if they want to achieve air superiority.

Pakistan's are lying the ground work for it, they have already been given potent EW assets, Slowly PAF will build up Iraqi capabilities, JF17 I don't know but maybe PFX for sure

 

[Yasser76]

So another "JF-17 sale" being paraded about was 'an expression of interest'- aka, meaningless.

The saudi deal was nonsense

the sudan deal was dubious at best

The Bengali deal is the same as the Iraqi

and the Libiyan deal sounds like nonsense also.

Are we celebrating expressions of interests this much? The indians could parade the same really. Why celebrate instead of being level headed?

Calm down, worth highlighting expressions of inetrest and creating a buzz around the plane, the Americans and French do this all the time.

No, India and Tejas have absolutely ZERO interest from buyers.

 

[TAC]

Please send your wish for my death directly to Malk-ul-Maut for due consideration. Thanks!

In the meantime, if you wish to pretend that the JF-17s are perfect, please go right ahead. They will still perform only as well as they can, and no more.

Where did I say they were ‘perfect’??
It is you who has pushed the fake news about them being grounded with only butthurt / biased sources to back it up. So you go ahead and believe what you want and yes I agree, obviously they will ‘still perform only as well as they can, and no more’. They are hardly going to perform better than they can!!

 

[Yasser76]

Where did I say they were ‘perfect’??
It is you who has pushed the fake news about them being grounded with only butthurt / biased sources to back it up. So you go ahead and believe what you want and yes I agree, obviously they will ‘still perform only as well as they can, and no more’. They are hardly going to perform better than they can!!

Cope is hard for them

 

[Cookie Monster]

That was my question. We don't have the cash. Any "loan" given has been consumed already.

The loan to be returned must have been in dollar amount. Pakistan would pay in rupees for the parts of JF17 produced in Pakistan...
...therefore wouldn't have to purchase dollars.

So instead of using the weak rupee to buy strong dollar(which would probably end up being a lot more rupees than it would cost to spend them locally on production)...and giving those dollars back to KSA...
...instead Pak would spend locally in rupees for production of JF17...still coming out of Pak's own wallet...which it would have regardless(whether as repayment of loans or as paying for JF17 production)...I think it would be a cheaper route this way rather than buying dollars.

 

[Cookie Monster]

100% this, we are so used to BS news from any outlet or person with an X account, we easily forget companies like Reuters have a reputation built up over 150 years and sets the standard globally. If they publish something you can damn well be assured it is more accurate then anything else online.

But when Reuters said that no F16 was shot down...Indians clearly established that Reuters can't be trusted.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Ok, but China is also a partner in the JF-17. will they agree on such a deal? here no actual money is coming in , instead existing loan on Pakistan not China is being paid off as JF-17

The parts that come from China/Russia...Pakistan will have to pay for those in dollars(or Chinese Yuan) I assume. Still the remaining production on Pakistani side would cost in rupees..saving the dollars required to be purchased if the loan was to be paid off in hard currency.

 

[Cookie Monster]

I sincerely doubt its a Sale.

So lets stop kidding ourselves.

This seems more like a Loan. In Commercial Aviation, its called Wet-Lease.

It'll be exactly like how we send our Army down there. Only in this case it will be the Air Force - with Jets.

Pilots, Engineers/Maintainers + the Logestics

I personally do not see any GCC Nation taking an interest in the JF-17 Thunder due to Political Pressures from the West. However, I see no reason why we can't loan them - short/long term.

It doesn't matter what they intend to do with the jet...they can bury them in the sands...makes zero difference bcuz at the end of the day...
...it's money injected into Pak economy(the remaining 2 billion)...
...the other two billion that won't have to be repaid(in dollars) would be paid for in rupees essentially(bcuz Pak will have to produce those jets..paying for locally in rupees)...
...while still a cost paid for by Pak..it would end up being much better for Pak economy(or at least less bad as opposed to having to purchase dollars).
..and it would keep the production line running.

The more numerous the jet(with PAF and other air forces) the better in the long term...as it will ensure future orders for parts. It would also entice other air forces that are not so rich and still sitting with old jets...when they see JF17 selling like hot cakes and doing a decent job.