JF-17 - Updates, News & Discussion

RealNapster said:
If you stop with block 3, then what did "Joint Fighter -17" program actually achieved ? It was meant to be our thing. To keep upgrading it based on our needs and technological advancements. I believe we should keep upgrading it.

Block 4 in 2028-30. Make 100 of those to replace older block 1. Then block 5 by 2035-37. Make another 100 of those to replace older block 2. Then block 6.... a new block adter every 5-7 years. While keep retiring those older blocks at end of their life and keep replacing them with these new blocks.

Why not ?
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Maybe, PAF only launched the project because F-7s weren't good enough and the US sanctions on Pakistan.

That's no longer the issue.
Middle finger to the US and constant handshakes with the Chinese.
 
Pakistan Space Agency said:
Pakistan's initial quest was to acquire 150 JF-17 Thunders.

As of 2023, Pakistan Air Force has inducted at least 158 JF-17 Thunders to date (132 Alphas and 26 Bravos), 5 of which have crashed according to publicly available data.

The JF-17 Thunder program was launched in response to India launching the LCA Flying Rickshaw project in 1984 and the US sanctioning PAF's Sabre-II Project with Grumman in 1990.

What does the PAF do now with the program when it has already achieved what it had sought out to do initially, and on top of that there's easy availability of acquiring the J-10C and the J-35?
  1. Take JF-17 Thunder numbers to 200-250, induct 100 J-10Cs and 50 J-35s (350-400 combat air force).
  2. Keep the Thunder numbers at 150, induct 150-200 J-10Cs and 50-100 J-35s (350-450 combat air force).
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after seeing JF17 performance in SEAD/DEAD missions in May 2025 I would say production should continue to over 240 units plus it helped the Navy

J10C is a brilliant unit but we can be happy with say 76 x J10C

We need critical mass and by that I mean we need numbers even in 21st warfare we need them so 240 x JF17 would give us that , trying to get critical mass with a aircraft which sits between 4th and 5th generation will be too difficult

J10C provides us with the Top Cover we need

then we go with 5th generation fighters like J35AE and merge that with Loyal Wingman's like UCAVS

and I think 40 or so J35AE would be ok with follow up of another 60 units later in 2030s
 
Ak01 said:
the mirages still serve a role that jf-17 b'1s cant.

nuke strike/raad delivery!
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True - but that is poor strategic roadmap planning by the PAF for failing to take into account in the design of the Ra'ad that it should be operable from the JF17, or vice-versa.
 
Ali_Baba said:
True - but that is poor strategic roadmap planning by the PAF for failing to take into account in the design of the Ra'ad that it should be operable from the JF17, or vice-versa.
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Considering the technical limitations and resources crunch it was not a bad planning....well , you can always dream big
 
RealNapster said:
If you stop with block 3, then what did "Joint Fighter -17" program actually achieved ? It was meant to be our thing. To keep upgrading it based on our needs and technological advancements. I believe we should keep upgrading it.

Block 4 in 2028-30. Make 100 of those to replace older block 1. Then block 5 by 2035-37. Make another 100 of those to replace older block 2. Then block 6.... a new block adter every 5-7 years. While keep retiring those older blocks at end of their life and keep replacing them with these new blocks.

Why not ?
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There wont be a block 5 if the same design and size continues in the proposed improvements to block 3 (aka block 4 or block 3 plus).
JF17 needs to go on the gripen E, F1 and F18 path if there are to be any future meaningful enhancements.

However, if PAF goes on that path, then a Chinese engine is a must, it will take a couple of years to materialise and it will be competing with J10s. so the question arises then as to why to go through the hassle when we can have more J10CEs.

On the flip side, a slightly bigger thunder can have better ground clearance, can have more local avionics, can be further improved over next decadr or so and can take over most of the roles that are currently possible via the Rose mirages we have.
 
Ak01 said:
the mirages still serve a role that jf-17 b'1s cant.

nuke strike/raad delivery!
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I thought block 1s replaced mirages in that role by early 2010s and are still primary nuke platforms
 
Pakistan Space Agency said:
Maybe, PAF only launched the project because F-7s weren't good enough and the US sanctions on Pakistan.

That's no longer the issue.
Middle finger to the US and constant handshakes with the Chinese.
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The number 1 reason was, something that is our own and cant be blocked by a super power because we did something.

That issue still exists. Its not yet resolved. And it will be relevant even after 10 more years.

We dont produce much of JF-17. IF (a big IF but bear with me), IF tomorrow Chima suspended support for JF-17 program and fleet. What will we do ?

That's why the need for further blocks. To further keep developing and localising the JF17
 
RealNapster said:
... We dont produce much of JF-17. IF (a big IF but bear with me), IF tomorrow Chima suspended support for JF-17 program and fleet. What will we do ? ...
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Will PAF even want more JF-17 Thunders or just go with J-10Cs in large numbers?

If the J-10Cs can do everything and a lot more than what the JF-17 Thunders can do, why would the PAF want to waste any funds on the Thunder program other than for national pride only.

Just do with the J-10Cs what we're doing with JF-17 Thunders, i.e. build what we can in Pakistan and the rest in China. Shift pride from Thunders to Dragons. That to me sounds like an ideal situation.
 
Pakistan Space Agency said:
Will PAF even want more JF-17 Thunders or just go with J-10Cs in large numbers?

If the J-10Cs can do everything and a lot more than what the JF-17 Thunders can do, why would the PAF want to waste any funds on the Thunder program other than for national pride only.

Just do with the J-10Cs what we're doing with JF-17 Thunders, i.e. build what we can in Pakistan and the rest in China. Shift pride from Thunders to Dragons. That to me sounds like an ideal situation.
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I don't think PAF have any such plans for J-10C what it had for JF17.

And if PAF dont plan to continue with JF17 and shift towards J10C only, then all of the work it did since 2000 is just wasted and was for nothing.

I dont think PAF is this much idiot. That's why I believe it will stick to JF17 while also adding more J-10C, not as competition to JF17 but to complement it and fill the numbers.
 
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The Exception That Proves the Rule – Halt Block-III Further Induction :cool:

If our neighbour believes the PAF possesses twice the actual number of Block-III fighters through the "simple act of upgrading" in the future, then irrespective of whether a Block-II or a Block-III is taking off, he will assume it's a Block-III.

Mess with their war gaming. Mess with their heads. And play on your own terms.
 
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