Joint Defense Agreement: Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan, news & updates

[Pakistani Dragon]

Good to see the Bharatis are delusional as always.....

Elhamdulillah...

Pakistan-Saudi Arabia-Turkey Mecca Accord with no common enemy, & why it can’t be Islamic NATO​

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Delusional, jealous and pathetic as always.

They've lost all their shine after a mere four-day conflict with Pakistan.

They're now stuck with Hindu extremism and Hindu terrorism. They won't be able to come out of this situation for decades to come.

 

[PakAl]

At this time, Egypt is a US Puppet , Sissi was put into power via a US coup and Qatar. Sadly lots of Arab countries do as Washington tells them to do.

Not correct. Egyptian military, elites, judiciary, religous authorities had major issues with MB. MB tried to place loyalists in all powerful circles. Qatar actually supported the MB government and soon the military turned the tables on MB and removed them from power, just like Mubarak was told to step down, some powerful regional nations also did not like Egypt under MB getting close to Turkey and Iran (back then the relations were not good).

 

[PakAl]

We aren't great historical power anymore , we lost being big historical power probably since 1840 when we conquered turkey then russia and england attacked us back and forced us to reduce the army etc etc etc then we got conquered by england for probably 70 years , since then we forgot how to be big and powerful.

we are just a shadow of the past.

ad sisi can be a puppet to any country that pays him money , can by israeli puppet, saudi puppet, uae puppet etc.

Do you not think maybe he is protecting Egypt, he has witnessed what happened to Libya, Syria, Iraq and now Iran, all cornered and attacked by western attacks, directly or indirectly. Egypt also fought 3 wars against Israel and struggled because in war you need economy, resources, logistics, and nobody helps you if you get stuck. Egypt needs stability till another 50 years they will become very powerful nation.

 

[Mobius]

Respectfully noted..... For the record, I only responded to posts presenting inaccurate sectarian claims as documented facts, and every reply I made was sourced..... And the point was never off topic, a sect less general Islam is what created Pakistan, and that is exactly the formula that should take pacts like the Makkah pact forward..... Back to the pact.....

100% agree with this. For this alliance to be truly effective, one of the foundational cornerstones must be that it is sect less.
Problem is, the Saudis would have a b1tch fit at the proposition of adding Iran once the ongoing conflict settles down.
We all know the origins of the House of Saud and who's orders they follow.....as Gaddafi once famously pointed out to the then Saudi king during an OIC conference.

This new pact is a good thing, but each member must prove that it's a effective alliance that doesn't just pay lip-service, but carries out solid actions against its adversaries.

 

[KingQamaR]

Not correct. Egyptian military, elites, judiciary, religous authorities had major issues with MB. MB tried to place loyalists in all powerful circles. Qatar actually supported the MB government and soon the military turned the tables on MB and removed them from power, just like Mubarak was told to step down, some powerful regional nations also did not like Egypt under MB getting close to Turkey and Iran (back then the relations were not good).

This whole story about Mohammed. Morsy (May Allah have Mercy on him) is so sad and yet bizarre, suspicious, and confusing…. similar to what happened to Inran Khan what did he do?

 

[Desert]

Do you not think maybe he is protecting Egypt, he has witnessed what happened to Libya, Syria, Iraq and now Iran, all cornered and attacked by western attacks, directly or indirectly. Egypt also fought 3 wars against Israel and struggled because in war you need economy, resources, logistics, and nobody helps you if you get stuck. Egypt needs stability till another 50 years they will become very powerful nation.

Protecting Egypt from what , brother?
Egypt had a treaty with the jews and they don't want break the treaty ( for now) since they are surrounded by (hezb,Syria,Hamas,Houthis,Iraqi Militia,Iran). they wouldn't want Egypt as an enemy again.

he is just a munafiq who used the (unrest) to scare the Egyptian people about what may happen if he leaves the chair.
he doesn't know what to do , he ruined the economy and the egyptian currency and now he had loans from probably everyone ( EU,Saudia,UAE,Qatar,international bank etc).

 

[Desert]

Not correct. Egyptian military, elites, judiciary, religous authorities had major issues with MB. MB tried to place loyalists in all powerful circles. Qatar actually supported the MB government and soon the military turned the tables on MB and removed them from power, just like Mubarak was told to step down, some powerful regional nations also did not like Egypt under MB getting close to Turkey and Iran (back then the relations were not good).

The army is the one that caused havoc and unrest in Egypt during Morsi era to make the people go against him and his people (MB) .. the army used to get rid of tons and tons of oil in desert to cause a chaos and shortage of power , they used to hire thugs to attack minorities and they even planted bombs in churches and accused MB of doing it.

both the army and the orthodox pope are bastards along with Imam-Azhar.

 

[hyperman]

Exclusive: Saudi Arabia opposed Egypt's inclusion in Mecca agreement, sources say

The kingdom didn't want Egypt to join the new defence pact with Turkey and Pakistan despite Ankara's push for Cairo to be included, sources say

www.middleeasteye.net

They also cited growing unease over Cairo's "subordination" to the United Arab Emirates, specifically after the fallout between Riyadh and Abu Dhabi over the latter's support for Southern Yemeni separatist groups that "threaten Saudi's national security and interests".

Two of the sources noted that while Egypt sent fighter jets to Abu Dhabi in response to the Iranian attacks, and Sisi was keen to visit UAE President Mohamed bin Zayed more than once during the war, no such steps were taken towards Saudi Arabia. They concluded that Riyadh had become increasingly alarmed by Sisi's alignment with Abu Dhabi.

The sources said this was due to Riyadh seeing several Emirati policies as running against Egypt's own strategic interests. These include the UAE’s involvement in Somaliland, its strategic relationship with Israel, its support for Ethiopia during disputes over the Grand Ethiopian Renaissance Dam and its backing of the Rapid Support Forces in Sudan.

One of the sources said that Cairo's continued engagement with Abu Dhabi had deepened doubts in Riyadh about Egypt's reliability as a strategic partner.

 

[Mr X]

Exclusive: Saudi Arabia opposed Egypt's inclusion in Mecca agreement, sources say

The kingdom didn't want Egypt to join the new defence pact with Turkey and Pakistan despite Ankara's push for Cairo to be included, sources say

www.middleeasteye.net

They also cited growing unease over Cairo's "subordination" to the United Arab Emirates, specifically after the fallout between Riyadh and Abu Dhabi over the latter's support for Southern Yemeni separatist groups that "threaten Saudi's national security and interests".

Two of the sources noted that while Egypt sent fighter jets to Abu Dhabi in response to the Iranian attacks, and Sisi was keen to visit UAE President Mohamed bin Zayed more than once during the war, no such steps were taken towards Saudi Arabia. They concluded that Riyadh had become increasingly alarmed by Sisi's alignment with Abu Dhabi.

The sources said this was due to Riyadh seeing several Emirati policies as running against Egypt's own strategic interests. These include the UAE’s involvement in Somaliland, its strategic relationship with Israel, its support for Ethiopia during disputes over the Grand Ethiopian Renaissance Dam and its backing of the Rapid Support Forces in Sudan.

One of the sources said that Cairo's continued engagement with Abu Dhabi had deepened doubts in Riyadh about Egypt's reliability as a strategic partner.

To be honest with you, we will be more effective if we stop giving tickets to other nations and focus on deepening Defense relationships between the three founding members.

These are the most significant Muslim countries in the world and they are the only one that can make a difference. More nations joining means more mouths to disagree with every serious agenda and ultimately they will make it like the OIC

 

[hyperman]

100% agree with this. For this alliance to be truly effective, one of the foundational cornerstones must be that it is sect less.
Problem is, the Saudis would have a b1tch fit at the proposition of adding Iran once the ongoing conflict settles down.
We all know the origins of the House of Saud and who's orders they follow.....as Gaddafi once famously pointed out to the then Saudi king during an OIC conference.

This new pact is a good thing, but each member must prove that it's a effective alliance that doesn't just pay lip-service, but carries out solid actions against its adversaries.

Iran cannot be included in the pact and its not necessarily b/c of sects its , b/c

#1 its already in a state of war, so for it to be included it means the other 3 are entering the war against anyone attacking Iran, which is a complication as Turkey is NATO and Saudis have ties to the US as does Pakistan.

#2 Iran cannot enter without the Yemen tensions are settled with Saudi, and that cannot happen until there is a permanent accord between the Saudis and the Houthis.

#3 Iran has its own issue with regard to the Baloch issue, the Talib issue, the India issue with Pakistan. As well as previous issues between Turkey and Iran over the PKK(though I feel that one is largely resolved as the PKK and Turkey have come to negotiations, Syrian PKK is dissolving, and Iran now understands the danger to itself with such groups)

 

[PK781]

Allied Air Force ( to rule the skies )

today
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near future : KAAN , F-35A and J-35AE

Pakistan : JF-17 , F-16 , J-10C and J-35AE
S.Arabia : Eurofighter , F-15 and F-35A
Turkiye : F-16 , Eurofighter , KAAN , ( also maybe F-35A ) and KIZILELMA

this is the future, the Turks and the Pakistanis with the Saudis and ALL the muslim nations to join. One day we all unite, inshAllah and be a force to defeat the evil zionists

 

[PakAl]

100% agree with this. For this alliance to be truly effective, one of the foundational cornerstones must be that it is sect less.
Problem is, the Saudis would have a b1tch fit at the proposition of adding Iran once the ongoing conflict settles down.
We all know the origins of the House of Saud and who's orders they follow.....as Gaddafi once famously pointed out to the then Saudi king during an OIC conference.

This new pact is a good thing, but each member must prove that it's a effective alliance that doesn't just pay lip-service, but carries out solid actions against its adversaries.

I always believed if muslim nations ie the main 5 power blocks, Iran, Saudia, UAE, Qatar, and Turkey from Erodgan era signed a deal to stop conspiring against each other, supporting and funding extremism, terorrism, fundamentalism, separatism, coups, foreign invasions against other Muslim nations, we would easily have peace in the middleeast. People can cry all they want on PDF but this is what led to most problems in the first place. A great muslim scholar once said "Muslim nations need to identity a dot that can unite us". Or Mahatir Muhammad from Malaysia said "Muslims were once a great civilisation, we can point fingers at enternal influence but solution is to look inside and identify why we fell".

 

[hyperman]

To be honest with you, we will be more effective if we stop giving tickets to other nations and focus on deepening Defense relationships between the three founding members.

These are the most significant Muslim countries in the world and they are the only one that can make a difference. More nations joining means more mouths to disagree with every serious agenda and ultimately they will make it like the OIC

I agree, 3 is enough for now, each partner brings something to the table and its symbiotic in a 3 way alignment.

Turkey Brings Technology and Needs Nuclear Option and Money both in terms of buyers of its military goods, and investments into its defense sector to expand, as well as monetary support overall with various investments.

Pakistan brings Nuclear Umbrella and Manpower, it needs money for its military sustainment and economy.

Saudi brings the largest investment fund and liquid funds in the world and investment capacity, it needs Manpower help and military support, technology, and nuclear help.

All three compliment each other.

The other guys for them to be added, they need to bring something to the table as well as prove their worth, otherwise its an addition of potential liabilities as well as partners who are not as dedicated and might cause disagreements and undermine the trilateral format.

That doesn't mean defense cooperation cannot be added in a supplementary capacity with secondary agreements, whether bilateral or with the Bloc, in terms of cooperation.

For example, Turkey and Egypt can cooperate bilaterally. The trilateral bloc can cooperate with Indonesia or Malaysia in codevelopment of weapons(I myself have been pondering a lot over an A400 type joint project to develop strategic airlift, something that would be a heavy lift for a middle power individually but can be viable as a group project).

 

[PakAl]

You can ALWAYS become powerful again provided you collecting make many sacrifices and do what is required to NO MATTER the cost.

Egypt is thinking hard about playings its card right, must they join Makkah pact and conspire against Houthis, Iran and UAE, or wait till everything is clear, maybe UAE will sort out their issues with Saudia and they then can also join. Pakistan and Turkey have no issues with Egypt Iran Qatar UAE joining.

 

[Mr X]

I agree, 3 is enough for now, each partner brings something to the table and its symbiotic in a 3 way alignment.

Turkey Brings Technology and Needs Nuclear Option and Money both in terms of buyers of its military goods, and investments into its defense sector to expand, as well as monetary support overall with various investments.

Pakistan brings Nuclear Umbrella and Manpower, it needs money for its military sustainment and economy.

Saudi brings the largest investment fund and liquid funds in the world and investment capacity, it needs Manpower help and military support, technology, and nuclear help.

All three compliment each other.

The other guys for them to be added, they need to bring something to the table as well as prove their worth, otherwise its an addition of potential liabilities as well as partners who are not as dedicated and might cause disagreements and undermine the trilateral format.

That doesn't mean defense cooperation cannot be added in a supplementary capacity with secondary agreements, whether bilateral or with the Bloc, in terms of cooperation.

For example, Turkey and Egypt can cooperate bilaterally. The trilateral bloc can cooperate with Indonesia or Malaysia in codevelopment of weapons(I myself have been pondering a lot over an A400 type joint project to develop strategic airlift, something that would be a heavy lift for a middle power individually but can be viable as a group project).

Of course bilateral relationship with Egypt, Iran, GCC, Malaysia and Indonesia are important but other nations should not be compelled to follow the same spirit of Makkah agreement. We recently signed agreement with Somalia and Kuwait ratified its agreement with Pakistan signed in 2023, these are good examples of bilateral agreements and no liability for the block of 3 nations (P, S, Turkey).