Joint Defense Agreement: Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan, news & updates

use of tactical nuke is the scariest one. Look like trump is serious on that if he did not get what he wants.
America can use the nukes, there are crazy enough people in US who will disregard lives of innocent people just so they can claim victory, but this will open a very scary pandora box for Russia to use tactical nuke using same logic the Americans will use, or North Korea against the South, and lets not undermine the indo-Pak clashes, its literally a region sitting on TNT while both countries launching fireworks at each other from time to time.
 
A fort cant be built on shaky foundations, the kissing u have mentioned has also been shown by the pakistani side, trying to put our hands in middle east while our security situation gets worse daily is a fool's hope. China first went under the process of building its foundations and doing nothing on the global stage for decades before emerging as a world power, we are trying to do the latter without building a strong foundation and due to this its very difficult this treaty will lead to something positive if not negative.
One shoe doesn't fit all ... apple and orange
 
Amazing. Both China and the US have officially welcomed the Defence Pact.
These are big and powerful nations coming together.. I believe with Egypt in already it would had been too scary for some..So the latter has postponed its entry till things calm down..
 
That really is an excellent perspective on a conflict that many here, myself included, received only snippets of news and editorial opinion on. Pretty much all of this makes perfect sense.

It really is true, now that you mention it, that the Russian fighter jet downing was portrayed as an act of Turkish aggression.

I could break down hundreds of incidents where Turkiye was being screwed by the USA and Europe over the conflict.

The last rebel holdout was idlib, we were on the eve of an iranian, assadist and russian attempt to finish off the rebels and they began their onslaught on idlib. The russians even bombed Turkish troops in idlib killing at least 30.

For Erdogan and Turkiye, if idlib fell they would have lost everything but more importantly for erdogan it would have led to around another 5 million refugees entering Turkiye.

The atmosphere in Turkiye over the refugees had already reached breaking point. We had more refugees then the entire EU combined. If idlib fell and those people fled to Turkiye it probably would have been the end of Erdogans political career. You see many people in Turkiye were against the war in Syria, had he lost it and Turkiye got rewarded with a total of about 10 million syrian refugees, his career was over.

While this was happening Turkiye was being threatened by the USA not to do anything, but it was the EU that threatened economic sanctions against Turkiye if erdogan does anything to stop the assault. Basically another threat warning Turkiye not to enter. The situation was so bad for erdogan that he actually was moving/forcing refugees towards the Turkish EU border and forcing them to cross. Not because he wanted to but because the situation became so dire for his political career and geopolitically what would come in syria could be exceptional dangerous to Turkiye. He was basically telling the eurokunts if your going to threaten me, im not holding onto 10 million refugees, they will become your problem.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-51678462

"Groups of refugees and migrants are heading towards the EU after Turkey said it would not abide by a deal to stop them reaching Europe.

Turkey's communications chief said the country had not received enough support in hosting millions of Syrian refugees.

Its decision followed a deadly attack on Turkish troops by Syrian government forces in northern Syria.

The incident sparked fears of a major escalation involving Turkey and Syria's military ally, Russia."

This was his only way to get europeans/nato allies not to f'k Turkiye for what was about to come.

Anyway Turkiye intervened and saved the last rebel stronghold, not only did Turkiye get no support from the USA, Europe, or NATO they effectively operated against Turkiye.

So the rebels were never meant to survive let alone win, the US and EU were doing everything to stop the one nation from taking action which could help them win and indeed in the long run did help them win.

But the nuance of what was going on in that war especially concerning Turkiye was never ever explained in any serious detail by the western media. It only worked to portray Turkiye as an enemy,

Even when Isis appeared on the scene, effectively crippling and delegitimising the syrian opposition, the media in the west and russian targeted Turkiye and even claimed Iran and Assad are allies of the west in the fight against Isis. Turkiye was painted as the creator and sole backer of isis, despite suffering the 3rd most terrorists attacks from isis after iraq and syria.

The syrian revolution was never meant to succeed and the only nation who could have seen it succeed Turkiye, was the one nation constantly undermined by all actors in the region. From west to east.
 
America can use the nukes, there are crazy enough people in US who will disregard lives of innocent people just so they can claim victory, but this will open a very scary pandora box for Russia to use tactical nuke using same logic the Americans will use, or North Korea against the South, and lets not undermine the indo-Pak clashes, its literally a region sitting on TNT while both countries launching fireworks at each other from time to time.
During Donald Trump's first term, his administration's 2018 Nuclear Posture Review called for developing a low-yield version of an existing submarine-launched ballistic-missile warhead, the W76-2. The first W76-2 warheads were subsequently produced and deployed in 2019–20.

These are low-yield nuclear warheads—smaller explosive yield than many strategic nuclear weapons, but still enormously destructive.

The stated US rationale was to provide a more flexible deterrent option, particularly against the possibility of an adversary using a limited or low-yield nuclear weapon. The Pentagon explicitly described the objective as maintaining credible deterrence and preventing an adversary from believing it could gain an advantage through limited nuclear escalation.

02/02/2018: News Briefing on the 2018 Nuclear Posture Review: US Department of War
 
I could break down hundreds of incidents where Turkiye was being screwed by the USA and Europe over the conflict.

The last rebel holdout was idlib, we were on the eve of an iranian, assadist and russian attempt to finish off the rebels and they began their onslaught on idlib. The russians even bombed Turkish troops in idlib killing at least 30.

For Erdogan and Turkiye, if idlib fell they would have lost everything but more importantly for erdogan it would have led to around another 5 million refugees entering Turkiye.

The atmosphere in Turkiye over the refugees had already reached breaking point. We had more refugees then the entire EU combined. If idlib fell and those people fled to Turkiye it probably would have been the end of Erdogans political career. You see many people in Turkiye were against the war in Syria, had he lost it and Turkiye got rewarded with a total of about 10 million syrian refugees, his career was over.

While this was happening Turkiye was being threatened by the USA not to do anything, but it was the EU that threatened economic sanctions against Turkiye if erdogan does anything to stop the assault. Basically another threat warning Turkiye not to enter. The situation was so bad for erdogan that he actually was moving/forcing refugees towards the Turkish EU border and forcing them to cross. Not because he wanted to but because the situation became so dire for his political career and geopolitically what would come in syria could be exceptional dangerous to Turkiye. He was basically telling the eurokunts if your going to threaten me, im not holding onto 10 million refugees, they will become your problem.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-51678462

"Groups of refugees and migrants are heading towards the EU after Turkey said it would not abide by a deal to stop them reaching Europe.

Turkey's communications chief said the country had not received enough support in hosting millions of Syrian refugees.

Its decision followed a deadly attack on Turkish troops by Syrian government forces in northern Syria.

The incident sparked fears of a major escalation involving Turkey and Syria's military ally, Russia."

This was his only way to get europeans/nato allies not to f'k Turkiye for what was about to come.

Anyway Turkiye intervened and saved the last rebel stronghold, not only did Turkiye get no support from the USA, Europe, or NATO they effectively operated against Turkiye.

So the rebels were never meant to survive let alone win, the US and EU were doing everything to stop the one nation from taking action which could help them win and indeed in the long run did help them win.

But the nuance of what was going on in that war especially concerning Turkiye was never ever explained in any serious detail by the western media. It only worked to portray Turkiye as an enemy,

Even when Isis appeared on the scene, effectively crippling and delegitimising the syrian opposition, the media in the west and russian targeted Turkiye and even claimed Iran and Assad are allies of the west in the fight against Isis. Turkiye was painted as the creator and sole backer of isis, despite suffering the 3rd most terrorists attacks from isis after iraq and syria.

The syrian revolution was never meant to succeed and the only nation who could have seen it succeed Turkiye, was the one nation constantly undermined by all actors in the region. From west to east.
Remarkable. Yes, we all remember the Turkish "refugee push" episode.

As you have gathered no doubt, the wonderfully objective and honest BBC did not explain any of this background context. Of course they wouldn't.

This is why such fora as this one are of massive importance, correcting the colonialist narratives that are pushed onto us by mainstream media.
 

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