Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (KP) Terrorism Watch

[PakAl]

It's not propaganda, It's quite true.

The Taliban is documented to have done the same thing in Afghanistan, and in the early waves of initial Taliban take over in FATA. Listen below. They hide within homes/families, so you can't identify them in IBOs.

Let's just use common sense here, why would a tribal population that historically has laboured emnity with other ethnics in the region be so patriotic? Tbh this statement by you is the actual lie by Punjabi cuck elites.

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Tribal areas were not intergraded with Pakistan until only recently, so its expected the areas will be lawless and full of challenges but this propaganda that they all support terrorism and are not loyal to Pakistan is not true. It is also close to Afghanistan and militants cross over.

Some positivity on Bajaur and celebrations for Pakistan day. I think all Pakistanis should support the tribal people, help them with security, education and development.

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[Pak-Warrior]

Just to assess the situation, I searched Bajaur with various keywords in recently uploaded videos in YT. I found one below:

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There's some seriously MASSIVE sea of people. I don't know Pashtu and I don't know what they are saying. But to put things in perspective for the members in this Forums, we need to understand the scale of situation. This is not some small place or few people. These people look united in their whatever cause. Individuals in the forum cannot be right or correct then the masses of those areas who have lived their lives in the reality of the ground. So we are nobody to judge their situation or make analysis from outside. Noone likes wars, people want peace. You have to think from their perspective that if you are living in that area then what you would want? You'd want peace for yourself and your family.

Just watch those people in the video above and understand the scale of situation. I am tagging people who posted negative comments about tribal regions. You guys can have better understanding only if you think from their perspective. If we think its a small area of few houses where people are always war mongering / supporting taliban then we will think negative but its a massive area where majority wants peace then we will think differently. The region is 100s of times bigger than Gaza. Dialog is only way forward. Any collateral damage is equivalent to suicide. That being said, we must go hard on TTPs in Afghanistan and at border crossings with precise strikes. Military solution alone never yield results. It has to be dialog / political solution with tribal leaders + military solution. Only military thinking leads to failure. That's why Military dictatorship leads to failure of nations every single time in history. No country in G20 has a military dominant / ruled system. Political solutions require you to attract masses. Only political leaders can attract masses and change the course / can overhaul the whole thinking.

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[altafahmed]

To people like you, sitting in big cities of Islamabad, Peshawar, Pindi, Karachi, Lahore. This may seem a normal thing. Until someday a similar situation is forced upon you. Only then will you understand how it feels to feel helpless in such situations.

Actually that happened in 2007, in Laal Masjid case, the area was blocked and curfew was imposed, BUT BUT BUT, if you remember, although the curfew was not for that long period, essential items would be regularly supplied to the residents by the government during curfew through Armored vehicles and I don't know if someone fell ill during that time, they would have been evacuated too.

 

[altafahmed]

We are in this situation because:

The IBO model (Radd ul fassad) adopted in 2017 just DOES NOT work. Look at Balochistan where that has been the preferred way from the start

Why it doesn't work?
A) Because most of the intelligence desks are wasting manpower and time on undemocratic excursions of the generals.

B) IBOs were never expanded to areas where the terrorists actually were. Afghanistan, Switzerland, India, EU.

C) Political recruiters of militants, (PTm/BYC) were either left alone or used in previously mentioned undemocratic excursions. These orgs help militants fill up their ranks and nobody can touch them other than random arrest here and there to make martyrs out of them.

IBOs (current model) in other sense are an admission of state no longer fighting the war and maintaining a "Negative peace". Which always turns back into a war.

We are in this situation NOT because of the points you mentioned but ...... you will know the reasons once you know why the Lakki Marwat police was blocking the road like general public and what was they protesting against. (looking at your name I think you know very well)

 

[PakAl]

@Rationalist
The terrain of these areas make it easier for militants to move around. They know these areas since decades.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

Tribal areas were not intergraded with Pakistan until only recently, so its expected the areas will be lawless and full of challenges but this propaganda that they all support terrorism and are not loyal to Pakistan is not true. It is also close to Afghanistan and militants cross over.

Some positivity on Bajaur and celebrations for Pakistan day. I think all Pakistanis should support the tribal people, help them with security, education and development.

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The truth is always somewhere in the middle, and usually never rosey. See what you've written here is not exactly what you wrote initially.

 

[Toxic]

It's not propaganda, It's quite true.

The Taliban is documented to have done the same thing in Afghanistan, and in the early waves of initial Taliban take over in FATA. Listen below. They hide within homes/families, so you can't identify them in IBOs.

Let's just use common sense here, why would a tribal population that historically has laboured emnity with other ethnics in the region be so patriotic? Tbh this statement by you is the actual lie by Punjabi cuck elites.

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A Lot of the blame lies on the state, they let many AQ and Taliban fighters settle in during the 90s and early 2000s that eventually formed the TTP even after the WOT they were not only tolerated by state but even celebrated in our society as "true Muslims" They moved openly carrying weapons in cities like Quetta, have you ever wondered why a terrorist training center like lal Masjid not only emerged in the heart of our capital but existed for decades, when that clusterfuck finally exploded the biggest backlash came from the middle class in the big cities thinking Musharraf was going after "innocent Muzlims" To appease his American masters.

Hell even after 2 decades of death and destruction from terrorism that thinking has entirely disappeared with people here still thinking a Hardline AQ terrorist like Afia Siddiqui being innocent.

 

[PakAl]

The truth is always somewhere in the middle, and usually never rosey. See what you've written here is not exactly what you wrote initially.

It's kinda similar but will need to write a long post to explain every single detail. From the videos you can see some development been done but it's not major work as promised, regarding security, yes lawless is their but we already had loads of military operations, the military, agencies, security forces cannot keep using the same excuse, they must gurantee security. Majority of tribal people are patriotic Pakistanis, they need to be supported and backed to destroy militancy and its ideology which was pumped by Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Usa to fight soviets. I hope that makes it little bit more clear, I will need to write a long post to clear everything.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

A Lot of the blame lies on the state, they let many AQ and Taliban fighters settle in during the 90s and early 2000s that eventually formed the TTP even after the WOT they were not only tolerated by state but even celebrated in our society as "true Muslims" They moved openly carrying weapons in cities like Quetta, have you ever wondered why a terrorist training center like lal Masjid not only emerged in the heart of our capital but existed for decades, when that clusterfuck finally exploded the biggest backlash came from the middle class in the big cities thinking Musharraf was going after "innocent Muzlims" To appease his American masters.

Hell even after 2 decades of death and destruction from terrorism that thinking has entirely disappeared with people here still thinking a Hardline AQ terrorist like Afia Siddiqui being innocent.

I mean, I think everyone in this thread is in unanimous agreement here that the state has always been an extremely incompetent and careless entity that at times did too little, nothing or, amplified self-destructive narratives. It has nurtured extremism and allowed problematic build up to go unchecked.

This is just one of the many outcomes of having a feudal state run entirely on the whims of some elite families disconnected from everything and more focused on personal lifestyle. They aren't fit to be managing a country. And the army generals themselves don't really have a real ideology when it comes to statecraft, or any clue what they are doing long-term.

It's more corrupt dudes winging it as they go along. No one in this wretched country has any clue.

 

[SD 10]

Painful but essential at this point. Hopefully they will get all the bastards!

 

[Asfandyar Bhittani]

We are in this situation NOT because of the points you mentioned but ...... you will know the reasons once you know why the Lakki Marwat police was blocking the road like general public and what was they protesting against. (looking at your name I think you know very well)

Stop hiding behind "everybody knows", "you know, I know" type of cop outs. Type what you mean or stop wasting people's time.

 

[PakAl]

A Lot of the blame lies on the state, they let many AQ and Taliban fighters settle in during the 90s and early 2000s that eventually formed the TTP even after the WOT they were not only tolerated by state but even celebrated in our society as "true Muslims" They moved openly carrying weapons in cities like Quetta, have you ever wondered why a terrorist training center like lal Masjid not only emerged in the heart of our capital but existed for decades, when that clusterfuck finally exploded the biggest backlash came from the middle class in the big cities thinking Musharraf was going after "innocent Muzlims" To appease his American masters.

Hell even after 2 decades of death and destruction from terrorism that thinking has entirely disappeared with people here still thinking a Hardline AQ terrorist like Afia Siddiqui being innocent.

The militancy has many different aspects, it is sectarian, jihadism, terrorism, smugglers, extremists, drugs, dacoits, ethnic issues, mafias. Before 911 Pakistan government used to say Pakistan Afghanistan bhai and we have no borders, today government is closing the same border, stopping trade, same with Balochistan.

It's too complex, these people have families on both sides and trade with each other for living but now it is being stopped, this is another issue. Before 911 these militants were known as mujahdeens, this stopped Pakistan from carrying out military operations for many years since they feared a backlash, 1000s of people in higher circles considered them mujahdeens, even ex DGISI Hamid Gul, black economy is another one, they make living from it and the elite in those areas make billions, now we have outsiders coming and stopping this whilst making billions themselves, do people think Pakistan ruling elite does not make billions from drug trade with Afghanistan and gas smuggling with Iran.

 

[Asfandyar Bhittani]

Just to assess the situation, I searched Bajaur with various keywords in recently uploaded videos in YT. I found one below:

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There's some seriously MASSIVE sea of people. I don't know Pashtu and I don't know what they are saying. But to put things in perspective for the members in this Forums, we need to understand the scale of situation. This is not some small place or few people. These people look united in their whatever cause. Individuals in the forum cannot be right or correct then the masses of those areas who have lived their lives in the reality of the ground. So we are nobody to judge their situation or make analysis from outside. Noone likes wars, people want peace. You have to think from their perspective that if you are living in that area then what you would want? You'd want peace for yourself and your family.

Just watch those people in the video above and understand the scale of situation. I am tagging people who posted negative comments about tribal regions. You guys can have better understanding only if you think from their perspective. If we think its a small area of few houses where people are always war mongering / supporting taliban then we will think negative but its a massive area where majority wants peace then we will think differently. The region is 100s of times bigger than Gaza. Dialog is only way forward. Any collateral damage is equivalent to suicide. That being said, we must go hard on TTPs in Afghanistan and at border crossings with precise strikes. Military solution alone never yield results. It has to be dialog / political solution with tribal leaders + military solution. Only military thinking leads to failure. That's why Military dictatorship leads to failure of nations every single time in history. No country in G20 has a military dominant / ruled system. Political solutions require you to attract masses. Only political leaders can attract masses and change the course / can overhaul the whole thinking.

@Asfandyar Bhittani @Distant_Observer @Rationalist @hydrabadi_arab @hussain0216

I am a Pashtun so I understand what he is saying. The video is of a ANP spox saying that Maulana kHanzeb was told to abandon ANP but he refused to do so.

Now what do you want us to do with this info? And how many millions of times are you going to talk with people who consider talks with "murtads", you and me, as non binding.

 

[Pak-Warrior]

The video is of a ANP spox saying that Maulana kHanzeb was told to abandon ANP but he refused to do so.

Now what do you want us to do with this info?

For me it gave me a glimpse of the scale. That its not a small isolated town. Its a vast area where people are politically aware and active. United in their problems and rally behind their leaders. That gave me a picture that things can be resolved here with dialog with their leaders. So even if curfew has to be placed, it should be announced via popular leaders of the area. So sentiments against center do not get ignited.

 

[RealNapster]

Actually that happened in 2007, in Laal Masjid case, the area was blocked and curfew was imposed, BUT BUT BUT, if you remember, although the curfew was not for that long period, essential items would be regularly supplied to the residents by the government during curfew through Armored vehicles and I don't know if someone fell ill during that time, they would have been evacuated too.

Now let say there was OP lal-masjid-1 , OP lal-masjid-2, OP lal-masjid-3, OP lal-masjid-4 and go on. And nothing was regularly supplied instead people were asked to vacate 10 sq.km area of lal-masjid each time there was operation.