Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (KP) Terrorism Watch

[RajaBaja]

A three-day curfew has been imposed in Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa's Bajaur district with 27 areas locked down in Mamund tehsil and roads blocked for a targeted operation, authorities said on Monday.

Time to clean up. Go get them boys, unleash hell!

Don't forget 2028, if you've not read my other posts on the economy. We MUST make great economic progress by 2028, the world and our entire nation will see it. So the sooner these rag tag Indian sponsored sob's are dispatched to hell, the better it is.

 

[RealNapster]

Not everything is a conspiracy. This area has been a mess for decades.

Ham b yahe thy, aap b yahe thy. Ue area b yahe tha 78 Saal se, or armed forces b yahe the 78 Saal se.

Chalo Khair. Phir kabhi.

 

[Ak01]

Pakistanis are a confused people. On top of that highly radicalised with a mix of illogical wahabbis, ikhwanism, bralveism. Even the Pakistani ideology is quite hollow beyond surface level.

This confusion about the country's existence or purpose creates lethargy in all its institutions, especially military and the policies.

I think without a clearly defined meaningful foundation or identity that makes sense you can't move forward, it will be a cycle of instability and radical shifts from liberal grifting, to extremism, to feudalism, etc.

Pan-Islamist ideals are the antithesis of independent states. Because the entire point of pan-Islamism is to reduce your own identity to unimportant or meaningless and create an imaginary connective brotherhood identity with others — even those who evidently don't want such a thing and have a strong assabiyah based identity of their own.

i really wish the state had imposed a state sanctioned form of islam, closing down all independant madrassas and having only state owned and managed ones.

also wish there was a reporting hotline, theres so many people out there who are anti pak who need to be deported asap but no mechanism for reporting properly

 

[Asfandyar Bhittani]

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[PakAl]

Pakistanis are a confused people. On top of that highly radicalised with a mix of illogical wahabbis, ikhwanism, bralveism. Even the Pakistani ideology is quite hollow beyond surface level.

This confusion about the country's existence or purpose creates lethargy in all its institutions, especially military and the policies.

I think without a clearly defined meaningful foundation or identity that makes sense you can't move forward, it will be a cycle of instability and radical shifts from liberal grifting, to extremism, to feudalism, etc.

I have spoken to many people who were radicalised, via wahabism or Ikhwanism. Majority of them hated Pakistan, its history, ideology, the cultures, languages, borders and even army. I have seen videos of TTP type militants assasinating Pakistan army soldiers, and you know what they say "kafir Pakistan army, kafir Pakistan government". These people have a strong ideology, the most dangerous are those who give funding to them, give them literature and give fatwas. During the first military operations, Jamat Islami declared the militants killed as shaheed and declared Pakistan army jawaan are not shaheed and still people praise JI. It's only because of decades of brainwashing and youtube mullahs who preach similar ideologies.

The change of shift will not happen, Instead Pakistan is trying to win over the militants ideologies, it suits the state when 5 odd different ideologies are competing with each other, the elite can then use them against each other whilst themselves continue go rule and smuggle billions, plus those who funded these ideologies protect them from being finished off.

 

[Pak-Warrior]

The military should do to them, what it did to PTI. Simply uproot all opposition if you plan to be a serious state.

Declare a war against all the mullahs, BYC, PTM, and all the support networks. Get laws in that support you and sweep them all together as part of your counter terrorism campaign.

A serious country would have done this back in 2014 when operations started.

If you look at the foundation of all powerful modern states, they went through huge unstable but refoemist periods like this, some even as far as civil wars. Take Turkey for example.

military creates them at first place. Mullahs and all. Even political parties creation. So they are part of problem. Not the solution. With every Chief policy changes according to his thinking. That's not how states or nations should function.

Nah man thats not true.

We as nation are too **** to see the military doing its job.

Let suppose the military goes hard agains these mfs, what do you think will happen? You've got practically all of your academia/intellectuals with left leaning views, who will justify TTPs existence and their actions.

Have to disagree. Military itself was going at wrong direction when all academia / leftists / intellectuals were saying what the hell you are doing. During 80's when this all chuttiyapa began. Military was blindly following CIA plan and radicalized the whole nation. Propped up over 30,000 madrassas when it had only 1500 before Zia ul haq. So its not the nation who to blame. Its the ones who had all the powers since day 01.

 

[Waz]

i really wish the state had imposed a state sanctioned form of islam, closing down all independant madrassas and having only state owned and managed ones.

also wish there was a reporting hotline, theres so many people out there who are anti pak who need to be deported asap but no mechanism for reporting properly

Indonesia, Malaysia, Turkey, Central Asian stan nations all enforce this. They don't get hit by religious fanatics.
But it needs scholars who are respected, not the clown circus set-up now in charge.

 

[Pak-Warrior]

i really wish the state had imposed a state sanctioned form of islam, closing down all independant madrassas and having only state owned and managed ones.

also wish there was a reporting hotline, theres so many people out there who are anti pak who need to be deported asap but no mechanism for reporting properly

By State you mean GHQ. The very state that is the one which radicalized the nation. Started those madrassas. From 1500 Madrassas we went over 30,000 of them. This jihadiication was then Chief of army staff's brain child. He could have used CIA funds to strengthen only the military instead he had some master vision. That is our problem. We think there are geniuses in-charge. That is exactly which is wrong with us. In his views, he was working for Islam and he never thought about repercussions of so much jihadification. So State itself is to be blamed because they had absolute power on every decision that has taken place. We could have put blame to political parties if they had really any say in these matters.

Lastly, everyone has their own view point and thought process. Someone can be way more patriotic then you but have different approach. No one can judge who's anti-pak lol. According to them they'd be most patriotic and you'd be anti-pak as they might view patriotism do be a strong country with flourishing democratic principles and military bound under civil rule. That could be their view for bright future and a strong country. Your views could be totally different.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

i really wish the state had imposed a state sanctioned form of islam, closing down all independant madrassas and having only state owned and managed ones.

also wish there was a reporting hotline, theres so many people out there who are anti pak who need to be deported asap but no mechanism for reporting properly

Pakistan should have declared war against the mullahs back in 2014 when Islamic feuled terrorism was at its peak.

It is in desperate need of an Ataturk style campaign against regressive mullahs, tribalism, problematic groups, feudals, and to create a grounded identity that leverages real history and ethnicity, not trying to weaponise Islam that ultimately creates extremism.

 

[Baadil]

It seriously needs to introspect what the foundation or purpose of its existence is. Defending yourself against India isn't really a purpose while it's important.

We can agree on this

This is a major reason that it's so unserious about countering terrorism and extremely divided, with policies continously shifting at the state level. Sometimes it has a Islamist extremist gimmick, sometimes liberal inclusivity gimmick, all fail.

I wish it was more like Turkey. Clearly defined direction. Aggressive in national security. Nationalist

No surprise you'd want Pakistan to be more like Turkey in its nationalism. Well, Turkey is an ethnocracy, and its purpose, arguably, is similar to what you criticise Pakistan for. Ethnic nationalism functions on the fear of other ethnic groups. Fear meaning considering the rule by one's ethnic group to be superior, and fearing the influence of other ethnic groups. Not only is this ideology deeply flawed and a proven cancer, but it could never be applied to Pakistan. There is and never will be a "Pakistani" ethnic identity within Pakistan. Even in other countries where the label "Pakistani" is used to describe an ethnicity, there are limitations to the extent this can be used to forge a common identity exclusive of the differences between ethnicities among Pakistanis, the unification by common faith notwithstanding

See below:

We should evaluate why we may default to “Modernity” as the measure for progress, and avoid making convenient but unreasonable, irrational generalisations and assumptions.

You could also visit this post chain in this thread between me and an actual Turk presenting with Kemalism

His behaviour (arrogance, sense of superiority) is what ethnic nationalism disease leads to.

Post-colonial brain rot right here. What would you know of principles except for ethnic-nationalist cancer. Pure barbarianism.


Here, you responded to yourself:


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Take a chill pill and re-evaluate, principles vs practice, historical contexts and source of morality.

 

[Pak-Warrior]

Pakistan should have declared war against the mullahs back in 2014 when Islamic feuled terrorism was at its peak.

It is in desperate need of an Ataturk style campaign against regressive mullahs, tribalism, problematic groups, feudals, and to create a grounded identity that leverages real history and ethnicity, not trying to weaponise Islam that ultimately creates extremism.

What if next COAS is like Gen.Zia again. We need a permanent solution.

 

[Maea]

Have to disagree. Military itself was going at wrong direction when all academia / leftists / intellectuals were saying what the hell you are doing. During 80's when this all chuttiyapa began. Military was blindly following CIA plan and radicalized the whole nation. Propped up over 30,000 madrassas when it had only 1500 before Zia ul haq. So its not the nation who to blame. Its the ones who had all the powers since day 01.

Ofc the balme is on whoever had the power, but saying that Zia radicalized the society, is nothing more then a brain fart of the Pakistani left.
Anyone with a functioning brain wouldnt question our afghan policy of that time.
The problems begun when the leadership which oversaw the afghan jihad was eliminated thus creating a mess that slowly got out of hand. Imo if Zia had not been killed, today both Pakistan and afghanistan would've been very different places.

Subcontinent's society is inherently extremist in the sense that whatever ideology we follow we do it with unmatched passion.

 

[El Sidd]

Pakistan exercises all restraint and caution before proceeding with the military option even against hardcore elements. Such maturity can only be afforded by a state which has inherent ideological resolve against all forms of isms.

Hopefully the operation would be clinically surgical.

 

[Baadil]

Pakistan should have declared war against the mullahs back in 2014 when Islamic feuled terrorism was at its peak.

It is in desperate need of an Ataturk style campaign against regressive mullahs, tribalism, problematic groups, feudals, and to create a grounded identity that leverages real history and ethnicity, not trying to weaponise Islam that ultimately creates extremism.

Please see above.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

We can agree on this


No surprise you'd want Pakistan to be more like Turkey in its nationalism. Well, Turkey is an ethnocracy, and its purpose, arguably, is similar to what you criticise Pakistan for. Ethnic nationalism functions on the fear of other ethnic groups. Fear meaning considering the rule by one's ethnic group to be superior, and fearing the influence of other ethnic groups. Not only is this ideology deeply flawed and a proven cancer, but it could never be applied to Pakistan. There is and never will be a "Pakistani" ethnic identity within Pakistan. Even in other countries where the label "Pakistani" is used to describe an ethnicity, there are limitations to the extent this can be used to forge a common identity exclusive of the differences between ethnicities among Pakistanis, the unification by common faith notwithstanding

See below:


You could also visit this post chain in this thread between me and an actual Turk presenting with Kemalism

His behaviour (arrogance, sense of superiority) is what ethnic nationalism disease leads to.

You and I are never going to agree.

You are an Islamist, I'm not.

I could just as easily argue that religious nationalism leads to extremism, violence against women, mistreatment of religious minorities, disregard of human rights and overall societal regression.

Meanwhile most secular ethnic nationalist state including the one you live in flourished in science and technology, social development and infrastructure.

Kemalism laid the foundation of Turkey's industry, scientific advancement and development in the modern era. It has real world results. You hate it because it's not religious extremist.

You simply believe religious extremism is somehow morally righteous but ethnic nationalism isn't. The former operates like a cult based on a book, at least the latter is based in reality and blood which actually exists.