Kuwait Announces a Joint Defence Cooperation Agreement with Pakistan

[mythbuster]

Such as ? like sanctions for 15 years that almost killed our airforce. We were crying for those F-16s which we already had paid for While Russia was giving Sukhois and BVR missiles to india. We were generation behind because of no BVR. The very reason our airforce couldn't participate in Kargil. I can talk at length on this subject with facts that how US sanctions F--ked us. Its only when they needed us again they lifted sanctions. So no sir. they are not nice. They are very greedy and selfish bunch.



See above.

Fuk F 16...our economy didn't get screwed because we were denied the delivery of F 16...look at the entire relationship from 50s till now instead of nitpicking isolated incidents.

 

[Pakistan First]

Fuk F 16...our economy didn't get screwed because we were denied the delivery of F 16...look at the entire relationship from 50s till now instead of nitpicking isolated incidents.

I already told you, I talk with facts and I can talk at length at subject.

Our relationship with US is similar to what a super power relation had with 80+ countries. They were doing business with almost whole of world. We were never special for them.

Yes we became special at times because of our geography. India was ally of USSR, so obviously we were left out choice. They were our "ally" when we were needed against soviets but then they ditched us, put sanctions on us and then again we were needed in afghanistan. Even when we were needed with afghanistan and we became front line state in War on Terror, the US was busy doing trade deals with india, making nuclear deals with india, including india in QUAD and many other strategic setup, giving india sensitive military technology like P-8s, Apaches etc but for Pakistan even denying helicopter engines (even we were helping at that time). Even recently, US administration formally pitched india for F-21 and even F-35s. So,.......

Whatever I wrote is a tiny bits. If you get in details you will see the real US-pak relationship and how mean it was. We were always a tissue paper. US president Bush who was buddy of Mushrraf told Obama in his farewell note that remember india is our friend and Pakistan is not. This is coming at the time when we had the biggest collaboration going on. It tells us our worth.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

Such as ? like sanctions for 15 years that almost killed our airforce. We were crying for those F-16s which we already had paid for While Russia was giving Sukhois and BVR missiles to india. We were generation behind because of no BVR. The very reason our airforce couldn't participate in Kargil. I can talk at length on this subject with facts that how US sanctions F--ked us. Its only when they needed us again they lifted sanctions. So no sir. they are not nice. They are very greedy and selfish bunch.



See above.

Pakistan developed nukes, USA turned blind eye in 1980's for its own interest but couldn't do that after Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan. Pakistan instead of convincing them and the world about why we needed nukes and how there is nothing to worry about, went in to full retarded mode allowing Khan network to run rampant with nuclear proliferation.

To keep USA interest in Pakistan could have used leverage against Alqaida networks in Afghanistan and not supported Taliban blindly.

1. Keep neutral stance in Afghan post soviet withdraw, get USA involved to take out alqaida.

2. Don't allow Khan network. Convince them our nukes are safe.

Dollars keep flowing, your economy is growing at 6% in 90's instead of 3%. The fallout from Afghan jihad is less then its now. India-USA relations never take that leap they did post 9/11.

 

[030292]

Pakistan developed nukes, USA turned blind eye in 1980's for its own interest but couldn't do that after Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan. Pakistan instead of convincing them and the world about why we needed nukes and how there is nothing to worry about, went in to full retarded mode allowing Khan network to run rampant with nuclear proliferation.

To keep USA interest in Pakistan could have used leverage against Alqaida networks in Afghanistan and not supported Taliban blindly.

1. Keep neutral stance in Afghan post soviet withdraw, get USA involved to take out alqaida.

2. Don't allow Khan network. Convince them our nukes are safe.

Dollars keep flowing, your economy is growing at 6% in 90's instead of 3%. The fallout from Afghan jihad is less then its now. India-USA relations never take that leap they did post 9/11.

You think neocons would have listened what pakistan had to say, a country 10k miles away from their homeland, these neocons dont even listen to their constituencies.

 

[mythbuster]

I already told you, I talk with facts and I can talk at length at subject.

Our relationship with US is similar to what a super power relation had with 80+ countries. They were doing business with almost whole of world. We were never special for them.

Yes we became special at times because of our geography. India was ally of USSR, so obviously we were left out choice. They were our "ally" when we were needed against soviets but then they ditched us, put sanctions on us and then again we were needed in afghanistan. Even when we were needed with afghanistan and we became front line state in War on Terror, the US was busy doing trade deals with india, making nuclear deals with india, including india in QUAD and many other strategic setup, giving india sensitive military technology like P-8s, Apaches etc but for Pakistan even denying helicopter engines (even we were helping at that time). Even recently, US administration formally pitched india for F-21 and even F-35s. So,.......

Whatever I wrote is a tiny bits. If you get in details you will see the real US-pak relationship and how mean it was. We were always a tissue paper. US president Bush who was buddy of Mushrraf told Obama in his farewell note that remember india is our friend and Pakistan is not. This is coming at the time when we had the biggest collaboration going on. It tells us our worth.

Let's be honest and cut through this crap... first sanctions after 65 war , why those sanctions ? ....we were given military aid to defend ourselves against the Soviet , however we got horny and invaded India ( yes , we invaded in Kashmir) ... besides, when Soviets shoot down that spy aircraft ( forgot it's name ) we asked the Americans to vacate Badabare base ...no blame to Americans ..
..in 70s we started shouting at the top of our lungs , hum ghass khain gay atom bumb Bana gay....it was against the stated policy of USA... you can't blame USA for putting sanctions on us ...when the Soviet invaded Afghanistan it reached our borders not the American borders....it was our need more than that of USA to kick the Soviet out ...we smartly availed this opportunity, got the military and economic aid and completed our nuclear program... American knew what we were up to hence the sanctions after Soviet withdrawal..no justification to curse the Americans for doing that.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

You think neocons would have listened what pakistan had to say, a country 10k miles away from their homeland, these neocons dont even listen to their constituencies.

They would have. Pakistan realized by 2021 what a blunder they made with Taliban and did 180 on relations with USA. Even removing Taliban supporter PM on their behalf. We needed Asim Munir in 1990. Instead we got absolute morons.

 

[kambhakt]

Americans take them for a ride, charge them billions for illusion of security, we will cost them just in millions and at the end its win win for both nation

millions is not going to get you very far. Members here are hoping for much more.

 

[kambhakt]

Kuwait, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia has a history of military cooperation, in which Pakistan defended them.
Dates back to first Gulf War in 1991 .

Back then was a similar situation, a Muslim cpuntry, Iraq was threatening Kuwait and Saudis, and they asked Pakistan to defend them.
Pakistan being an arse licker of Iran, refused.
Then as second option Americans were called in , and tgey are still in the middle east.

Its good that Pakistan learning from history and this time not doing the same mistake under Iranian pressure.

This time iran is the aggressor against the Arabs. Same as in 1991 , it was Iraq.

What relation does "Pakistan being an arse licker of Iran, refused." have with not defending Kuwait against Iraq.

 

[Watandar]

They want to use Pakistan as a cannon fodder because the Arab monarchies don’t have patriotic citizens that will fight to die and preserve these corrupt monarchies. They bribe their citizens with extravagant lifestyles and rely on external powers for security. Pakistan is just the latest country to be tapped for manpower.

As others have said, the average Pakistani and economy won’t see any benefit from the Saudi and Kuwaiti and other similar deals. It’s just to line the pockets of the GHQ generals and paint a nonexistent image of the regime in power. The army generals have spectacularly failed to contain the BLA & TTP and assorted Taliban and India backed militant groups, how can they contain Iran or the Houthis? Makes no sense.

This is what irritates me as well. Pakistani Armed Forces have failed completely to protect the common person from the scourge of terrorism for the last 25 plus years. At least 10k Pakistani civilians have died and literally hundreds of billions of economic and investment damages have been inflicted by terrorism.

And yet there is talk about Pakistan projecting power in the Mideast and tackling Iran or Houthis or Iraqis to protect beloved Arab autocrats. What deluded nonsense.

Set your own house in order first.

 

[FarhanSiddiqui]

Wow! The last 12 months have been amazing for Pakistan. It finally seems to have become the lynchpin of Middle Eastern geopolitics and diplomacy.

Full credit has to be given to FM Asim Munir and PM Shehbaz Sharif.

Regards

Really ! We have had Indian-sponsored terrorist attacks in Balochistan. Political unrest in Kashmir and high inflation due to oil prices. India closing water flow to Pakistan. We really need to liberate to Kashmir to secure our rivers.

 

[RealNapster]

If pakistan is too weak and fragile so my question is, do these Arab nations know that Pakistan is what you have described before signing such contracts?

Good question. But it depends.

Does news of terrorist attacks and 10-20 soldiers lost everyday reach to mainstream media of those Arab countries .????

The point is not that pakistan is weak. The point is that pakistan have too much on its plate with issues in baluchistan, issues in KPK, issues with Afghanistan, issues with India, and issues with US/Israel destabilizing another neighborhood be destroying iran.... with all this shit hitting the fan, can pakistan really afford to give guarantees for protection of other countries ???

 

[Owaiz]

Does news of terrorist attacks and 10-20 soldiers lost everyday reach to mainstream media of those Arab countries .????

Brother, if you employ a chowkidar and he does his duty diligently, do you really care about what problems he is facing in his own house ?

 

[RealNapster]

Brother, if you employ a chowkidar and he does his duty diligently, do you really care about what problems he is facing in his own house ?

But agar chowkidaar ka he beta roz aghwaa ho raha ho phir ????

 

[Owaiz]

But agar chowkidaar ka he beta roz aghwaa ho raha ho phir ????

In this case, if chowidaar cares more about his job than his beta and still turns up for work regularly, you may give him some sympathy, but will you care beyond that ?

 

[RealNapster]

In this case, if chowidaar cares more about his job than his beta and still turns up for work regularly, you may give him some sympathy, but will you care beyond that ?

Let me rephrase what I was saying. If pakistan is destabilized (God forbid) to a point where it longer can support its troops stationed in KSA and Kuwait. Will it still not matter for them ? A weakened base can not support a skyscrapper.