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Lebanon-Israel War | 2023-present
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ResurgentIran2
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There is no other way but to respond. Remember, if one side wants war and pushes for it by provoking and provoking, then what choice is left?
We all have witnessed first hand what a disaster the cautious approach has been. Caution and patience is generally a good virtue, and Hezbollah and Iran has indeed been patient and trying to play the long game. But we are dealing with an enemy that is unhinged, knows no bounds and will stop at nothing to destroy nation states and peoples.
If Hezbollah chooses to absorb these punitive strikes, what will happen?
They may avoid major war (for the time being) but war is upon them inevitably, because the other side wants it and the zionists will keep pushing the boundaries and do worse bombardments.
By the time Hezbollah does chose to act at a later date, it will have been more weakened had they responded from the onset.
I dont get this mentality by Iran and Hezbollah of doing it outmost to avoid war and absorb the strikes. It will not work with the zionist state nor with the US. They take it as weakness and spur them to act more savagely.
There is only one way with this type of enemy, and we should have learned this after more than 1,5 years. You have to act equally savagely and impose an unbearable cost to the enemy. This is how deterrence is reestablished.
For Iran, this will mean to abandon the NPT and opt for full weaponization, which is the ultimate deterrence. The neocons in Washington smell blood (and I dont blame them) because Iran has been a weak player, even if having strong cards. Now its cards are definitely much more weaker, but Iran can still adapt and be a much better player.
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in the last hours of the 2006 war, after a ceasefire was agreed, Israel randomly dropped millions of cluster bombs across south lebanon as a punitive measure
this is the barbaric enemy we are facing
the US enemy is not much better. they celebrate collapsing an entire residential building and killing dozens of civilians just to kill one missile scientist in Yemen, while preaching about civilian casualties in other wars.
with 2000 Khorramshahr-4 missiles (on a very conservative basis) we can ensure total destruction of Tel Aviv (structural destruction of > 90% of buildings). we very seriously need to pursue this option in lieu of nuclear weapons and be ready to execute it ruthlessly.
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France condemns Israeli violations of ceasefire and calls on Israel to withdraw from all points of south Lebanon
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in the last hours of the 2006 war, after a ceasefire was agreed, Israel randomly dropped millions of cluster bombs across south lebanon as a punitive measure
this is the barbaric enemy we are facing
the US enemy is not much better. they celebrate collapsing an entire residential building and killing dozens of civilians just to kill one missile scientist in Yemen, while preaching about civilian casualties in other wars.
with 2000 Khorramshahr-4 missiles (on a very conservative basis) we can ensure total destruction of Tel Aviv (structural destruction of > 90% of buildings). we very seriously need to pursue this option in lieu of nuclear weapons and be ready to execute it ruthlessly.
1000-2000 k-4 missiles spread evenly throughout tel aviv would be more disastrous than a single nuke.
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Honestly I was thinking the same thing or someone they hired to fire off a couple of random rockets but yeah I think Hezbollah should respond forcefully they have had a couple of month to regroup their Syian contingent is back in Lebanon if you want to make an example they have five outpost/bases that are in plain sight nothing to defend from a grad drone attacks
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much cheaper too ($5-10 billion at most, vs hundreds of billions of economic loss caused through nuclear program sanctions, let alone the massive cost of developing robust nuclear weapon delivery systems), though logistically much more challenging.
Khorramshahr-4 can be stored in launch-ready position for 10 years. massive 1500kg warhead and mach 8 re-entry velocity combined with even 100m CEP makes it a devastating weapon.
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combined ATGM + suicide drone strikes against those 5 remaining Israeli occupation outposts remains a good option. it is inherently legitimate to strike occupation bases inside Lebanon.
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in the last hours of the 2006 war, after a ceasefire was agreed, Israel randomly dropped millions of cluster bombs across south lebanon as a punitive measure
this is the barbaric enemy we are facing
the US enemy is not much better. they celebrate collapsing an entire residential building and killing dozens of civilians just to kill one missile scientist in Yemen, while preaching about civilian casualties in other wars.
with 2000 Khorramshahr-4 missiles (on a very conservative basis) we can ensure total destruction of Tel Aviv (structural destruction of > 90% of buildings). we very seriously need to pursue this option in lieu of nuclear weapons and be ready to execute it ruthlessly.
Well we dont have to cause that level of destruction as a first measure.
But Iran needs to do TP3, and this time it has to use actual large warheads that causes real destruction and loss of Israeli soldiers life. We should still try to avoid civilian losses.
If the other side kills our civilians in a way that can not be explained by "collateral damage" then the gloves are off.
Remember this. Irans TP1 and TP2 operations were symbolic in nature. The missiles had some impatcs, but its clear that the payloads/warheads that were used were extremely small.
The current US administration did not see this as a sign of being restrained and measured. They saw it as a sign of being weak and that we pussied out.
On the other side of the coin, they were most impressed by the savage pager attacks and decapitation of Hezbollahs entire political and military leadership. They accept Netayahus golden and silver pages presents with admiration and glee.
Its something they think they can now replicate on Iran.
So what does this mean? TP3 needs to be something real and destructive, that put some fear in US administration, and this may be the only factor that will deter a large American attack against Iran. Its a paradox, but the only plausable way to avoid a large scale war is to go on the offensive.
Failing that, an attack on Iran is definitely forthcoming within the next 6 months, indicated by the massive buildup in Diego Garcia and in the Persian Gulf.
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we also can't wait too long until our leadership is gone and missile inventories compromised.
I don't agree the payloads were intentionally smaller than usual. KS/HQ class missiles use relatively small warheads (300-500kg) and likely don't impact at supersonic speeds. most of them hit empty spaces on the air bases and produced relatively small <10m impact craters, normal for that hard soil type.
But there is scope for increasing the destructive impact: (i) aiming at concentrated targets rather than massive air bases, and (ii) using larger missiles such as Khorramshahr.
TP3 has been cancelled. IRI does not want to provoke Trump (even removing US flag from missile bases). IRI plans to keep TP3 in reserve to deter further Israeli action (will not work).
When Israel/US attack, they attack with shock and awe and do not hold back. Their goal is to disrupt the enemy's plans and ability to respond with full force. IRI is playing a dangerous game by letting the enemy strike first (and repeatedly). That said, there is no logic in committing suicide in fear of death.
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total destruction in Beirut after Israeli bombing
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The Israeli bombing and destruction of a building in Hadath, a densely populated suburb of Beirut, marks a dangerous and unprecedented escalation—one not seen since the 1978 invasion. With this strike, Israel has effectively redrawn the rules of engagement, signaling that it now considers the Lebanese capital a legitimate battlefield.
This sets a grave precedent: if Israel can target and assassinate individuals deep inside Beirut without fear of consequence, it opens the door to future strikes in the heart of civilian areas under the pretext of national security. The implications go far beyond a single building or target—it means no place in Lebanon is off-limits. For the first time in decades, the doctrine of deterrence is being openly challenged, and Beirut itself is being treated as a theater of war even after the ceasefire.
This sets a grave precedent: if Israel can target and assassinate individuals deep inside Beirut without fear of consequence, it opens the door to future strikes in the heart of civilian areas under the pretext of national security. The implications go far beyond a single building or target—it means no place in Lebanon is off-limits. For the first time in decades, the doctrine of deterrence is being openly challenged, and Beirut itself is being treated as a theater of war even after the ceasefire.
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I agree with you that Khamenei/IRGC will wait for Trump to strike first and hold off TP3 til that happens. Ie they want to use the same strategy that has been such a colossal failure up to this point. Folly.
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