Lessons for Pakistan from the Israel/Iran conflict of June 2025

[Waz]

One thing is that people have underestimated is the strength of mountain based facilities ,
They still function even after getting hit a lot

And Pakistan's mass is 60% mountainous, far more than India. It is ideal for hidden facilities and other defensive and offensive options.

 

[hasssanali8998]

they are usually right on the neutral stuff

no never trust these zio scums they will always say what their masters want

 

[hasssanali8998]

And Pakistan's mass is 60% mountainous, far more than India. It is ideal for hidden facilities and other defensive and offensive options.

its a curse and a blessing
our mountains are harder better for bunkers but way more expensive to mine and make those munkers
but tbh we dont need these bunkers for now , india wont have aerial superiorty over us like us/israel did over iran

 

[Strigon]

Future wars will be heavy on drones

1) Invest heavily in various offensive drones, including optical.
2) invest and manufacture defensive counters similar to P1-Sun.

These are low-cost, mass-producible, quick-deployable, and have a very high potential to inflict damage on critical as well as typical targets, as observed in the Iran and Ukraine conflicts.

 

[kimjongun]

And Pakistan's mass is 60% mountainous, far more than India. It is ideal for hidden facilities and other defensive and offensive options.

You just cant mine anywhere , logisitcs is a big part of these facilities , these facilities apart from large tunnels and magazines need living facilities , food , water , washrooms ,communication , 24/7 surveillance and security , Communications , maintenance , Very expensive HVAC systems etc etc you need a lot of things to make these function .
Also You have to take into the account the geology of the rock -the harder the rock is the harder it is to dig which makes them expensive , the behavior of the local populous people tend to forget that making them require people who need to have a high degree of security clearance etc etc .

 

[RealNapster]

Times change very quickly in Pakistan.

Today, they’ve got all the glory and few weeks down the line they’ll be staring at the barrel.

Going back to the times Musharraf was doing fine politically and then during the saga of firing of the Chief Justice and with the help of Kiyani and ‘democrats’, Musharraf suddenly found himself fragile. IK and Bajwa same page, and everything came tumbling down. No permanent relationships, everyone is looking out for their own interests.

In this context, the political parties and their backers are always circumspect. I believe a change of mindset is needed here.

Dams, Rail network, Education, Healthcare above Metros, Motorways, Subsidies for elites.

I never understood the "same page" concept.
Even though I am an IK supporter but when his government used to say "government and military or PM and COAS is on the same page" I used to get angry. How can they be on the same level and page ?

PM oversee all the ministries he is the boss of them, there is one such ministry called defence. It's minister then have a subordinate called defence secretary. Defence secretary is the boss of COAS. There is difference of atleast 3 levels. How can a PM and a COAS be on the same page constitutionally ? It doesn't make sense.

But then again we are a qoam who glorifies jernails be it Khalid bin Waleed, Salah uddin, raheel Shareef or Asim Munir. No problem with that. But they should atleast do these two things.

 

[Waz]

its a curse and a blessing
our mountains are harder better for bunkers but way more expensive to mine and make those munkers
but tbh we dont need these bunkers for now , india wont have aerial superiorty over us like us/israel did over iran

Well the military should prepare, it also ensures second strike survival.

 

[Olympus81]

I never understood the "same page" concept.
Even though I am an IK supporter but when his government used to say "government and military or PM and COAS is on the same page" I used to get angry. How can they be on the same level and page ?

PM oversee all the ministries he is the boss of them, there is one such ministry called defence. It's minister then have a subordinate called defence secretary. Defence secretary is the boss of COAS. There is difference of atleast 3 levels. How can a PM and a COAS be on the same page constitutionally ? It doesn't make sense.

But then again we are a qoam who glorifies jernails be it Khalid bin Waleed, Salah uddin, raheel Shareef or Asim Munir. No problem with that. But they should atleast do these two things.

You raised valid points.

Pakistanis have a messiah complex. Our society has ingrained a deep sense of superiority complex, that we are the bastion of Ghazwa e Hind and our Generals will be the tip of sphere. That’s why we are still adamant on a unified Ummah when everyone has moved along. Pakistanis are not fast learners so to speak. We only adapt when push comes to shove.

As for the politics, politicians across the board have to learn to play along with the boys. Somehow, as I’ve grown and seen multiple coups, same page, regime changes, the fault lies squarely on the other side. The boys do as they wish, when there is a pushback, a ‘nazuq maur’ situation is created, and if and when politicians not abide by the boys expectations then a stamp of ‘gaddar’ and treasonous cases are conveniently slapped.

The play has been dramatized multiple times that only an idiot won’t see. So PPP, PMLN or PTI are no saints, but the culprit is sitting pretty somewhere else. Hope you get the hint. Only difference now is the public is cheering for the other side.

As for constitution, the piece of paper has been bastardized so much through ammendment, NROs, doctrine of necessity, arm twisting of the judiciary, protection against accountability indefinitely, essentially relegating it to a toilet paper status.

I’ve said multiple times bhai, solution is staring at us in the face. Rule of law, accountability for all, and every institution operates under the parameter set by the constitution (not the version bastardized by amendments).

 

[Distant_Observer]

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[KingQamaR]

A lesson from Iran you don’t negotiate with enemies. Do not except a quick cease fire when you are winning silly Pakistanis . All you do is give Delhi more time to get ready to come back for another fight.

 

[Falcon26]

A lesson from Iran you don’t negotiate with enemies. Do not except a quick cease fire when you are winning silly Pakistanis . All you do is give Delhi more time to get ready to come back for another fight.

I think one of the biggest insights that came out of the May 2025 skirmish is that as soon as PAF totally dominated and rendered the IAF irrelevant (by the Indian military chief’s own admission, the IAF was grounded for 48 hours), the GHQ went into its predictable “maturity and restraint” mantra even as India launched loitering munitions and drones into Pakistani cities. Once the Indians realized the Pakistanis weren’t going to retaliate against Indian cities, the Indians increased the tempo and started targeting every major Pakistani airbase. This allowed the Indians to wrestle the narrative back after the disastrous May 7th air battle.

The biggest question for Pakistani military planners is whether they will subscribe to their “maturity and restraint” mantra or not. As I said during the conflict, the smaller party in a war can never be the “mature and restraint” party. The enemy will simply read this as a weakness and defeat and this is exactly what India did. The Israelis always ensure that their enemies understand that Israel is the more rogue and crazy party in the conflict. They have created a mad-man theory and no one wants to fight a madman. Pakistan must be seen as the madman in any conflict because if India believes that the Pakistan’s military will always seek an off-ramp and not escalate, then it will definitely up the ante.