Lessons for Pakistan from the Israel/Iran conflict of June 2025

[ziaulislam]

Airdefense is essential yet very expensive
Cheaper expandible suicide drone is needed

 

[Ali_Baba]

Airdefense is essential yet very expensive
Cheaper expandible suicide drone is needed

Suicide drones dont protect your skies from attacks. We saw this with Iran.

 

[Tariq Habib Afridi]

I think we need to colloborate with china on dedicated SEAD/DEAD drone for modern air defence neutralization.

To effectively counter advanced air defense systems like israeli air defence, we need to develop a specialized unmanned aerial system (UAS), designed exclusively for SEAD/DEAD missions in colloboration with china. This drone must neutralize sophisticated air defenses equipped with electronic countermeasures (ECM), decoys, and low-probability-of-intercept (LPI) radars.

Key Features needed for the SEAD/DEAD Drone​

1. Stealth Design: Ultra-low radar cross-section (RCS) with advanced materials and aerodynamic shaping to evade LPI radars and minimize detection.
2. AI-Driven Autonomy: Onboard artificial intelligence to autonomously detect, classify, and prioritize targets in contested environments, adapting to ECM and decoy tactics in real time.
3. Multi-Spectral Sensors: Integrated sensors (infrared, RF, and electro-optical) for robust target acquisition and tracking, capable of penetrating ECM and identifying decoys.
4. Electronic Warfare Suite: Advanced jammers to disrupt enemy radar and communication systems, paired with cyber-attack capabilities to degrade air defense networks.
5. Precision Munitions: Anti-radiation missiles (e.g., AGM-88 HARM derivatives) and small-diameter bombs for hard-kill DEAD, with loitering munitions for persistent engagement.
6. Networked Operations: Seamless integration with manned platforms, satellites, and other drones for real-time data sharing and coordinated multi-domain strikes.
7. High Survivability: Defensive countermeasures (chaff, flares, and directional infrared countermeasures) to counter missile threats, ensuring mission success in high-threat environments.

Why a Dedicated SEAD/DEAD Drone?​

Modern air defenses, like the S-400 or HQ-9, employ layered sensors, ECM, and decoys, challenging traditional SEAD platforms. A purpose-built drone can operate in high-risk zones without risking pilots, leveraging autonomy and stealth to outmaneuver countermeasures. This UAS would enable cost-effective, persistent suppression, ensuring air superiority against any adversary.

What are your thoughts on this concept? Any additional features or challenges to consider?

 

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[NationalistPKDude132]

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Good. Drain the swamp.

Deport all the afghans who are not loyal to the country

 

[Abid123]

1. yes
2. yes
3. yes
4. yes
5. yes

Problem is, Pakistan is kept poor and economically inept on purpose. That's my observation spanning decades.

And that might very well be true. Can't understand how a county of 250 million people can be this broke.

 

[arjunk]

We already have missiles that reach deep into the Indian mainland. What do you envisage when you think of long-range strikes?

These are nuclear ballistic missiles. For conventional airstrikes, like what Israel did in Iran, 500km+ range conventional ALCM is needed.

J-35 is a good step in that direction because it can penetrate deep into India and drop short ranged munitions. But it's not worth risking a top tier asset for every mission

 

[arjunk]

We should ask for help from iran into developing our Missile Forces, likewise we can return the favor by developing their Air Forces

It was so funny to watch all the Iranian fanboys in Pakistan get a reality check by Iran's latest statement 'Jai Hind'

 

[NationalistPKDude132]

It was so funny to watch all the Iranian fanboys in Pakistan get a reality check by Iran's latest statement 'Jai Hind'

If they don't take care of the RAW agents maybe we should remove the Ummah chummah stuff and bomb em ourselves.

 

[Path-Finder]

And that might very well be true. Can't understand how a county of 250 million people can be this broke.

on this very forum 2 months ago now, a member started a debate with me after I said. economy = security! your security is linked to economy. the member began a tirade of absolute baseless nonsense that economy is not important.

with minds like that sometimes its best to throw in the towel.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

These are nuclear ballistic missiles. For conventional airstrikes, like what Israel did in Iran, 500km+ range conventional ALCM is needed.

J-35 is a good step in that direction because it can penetrate deep into India and drop short ranged munitions. But it's not worth risking a top tier asset for every mission

The issue isn't just simply range, it's successful penetration. The deeper range you go into India, the more early warning detection time India gets and a chance to intercept it. Imagine watching something first travelling through 500km of Indian territory, you can then get a chance to try to intercept it while it's on the path to it's target.

That's where there's currently a huge debate going on, do you prioritise raw speed (hypersonic) or VLO stealth?

A USAF scientific research lab made a chart depicting penetration likelihood with speed vs stealth.

 

[MastanKhan]

it was the chief and he did the correct thing. otherwise right now we would be in war

Hi,

He is a coward and no we would not be at war---.

With its air force smashed---the fear factor would have made the legs jello---the officers / soldiers refusing to fight---

the Sikh regiments ready to revolt---what war are you talking about---.

Once the Rafale were destroyed---the myth of the mightier than the F35 aircraft smashed into a thousand pieces on the grounds of india---would have caused irreversible panic in the minds of the military personal---.

They would be thinking---if the Rafale could not hold them back---there was nothing in this universe that could hold the pak military back---.

It is all about the mind games---which the pakistanis know how to play very well---but not in the battle field---.

 

[MastanKhan]

on this very forum 2 months ago now, a member started a debate with me after I said. economy = security! your security is linked to economy. the member began a tirade of absolute baseless nonsense that economy is not important.

with minds like that sometimes its best to throw in the towel.

Hi,

the two have nothing in common---.

Security is a FRAME OF MIND---which pakistan lack---.

In pakistan military even the general level officer are clueless about the security issue.

It is a misnomer that security is a military issue---.

It actually is an internal issue---a policing issue---. Security should be provided by the police---a complimentary enforcement maybe enhanced by the rangers---.

 

[PK781]

get rid of all the fake refugees, send them back. Do not give them citizenship. Order and deport all afghans now to Afghanistan. Its their country and they need to go live there and make it better. We can't afford them and we will see improvement in law and order once they are all gone......maybe businesses will actually be done by our own people rather than having "afghani nan center" everywhere.
This is a big security risk to keep them in the country. Get rid of them or they will become indian or others proxies for small amount of money.

Shut that border for good and shut their land routes for trade if they refuse to fall in line for our security.

The most important is.......NO MORE RESTRAINT.
It should be obvious and notifed to all forces that in case of attack dont hold back and destroy the enemy/assets/totally without restraints. Don't wait for high command to say a "yes" when you're under attack.. Strike back with full force immediately, dont hold back, strike with with everything you have. F them and the world!

 

[SkippedPath]

There are very important lessons for Pakistan army:

1) Prepare defences against Israel attacking Pakistani nuclear power stations and nuclear weapon storage facilities.

2) Develop sufficient ballistic, cruise, and STEALTH cruise missiles. IF planes can be stealthy so can the missiles.

3) Develop Bunker buster missiles to target rats in RAID SHELTERS.

4) Put into action intelligence gathering operation to find out Israeli key military and all types of nuclear infrastructure, as well as power station, military n civil hospitals, all types of scientific research n development facilities including military.

5) improve nuclear delivery capability, by incorporating STEALTH missiles n planes n improve our submarine capability and add nuclear delivery via submarines.

6) Declare that it is our POLICY; we will carry out pre-emptive nuclear strikes on enemy state n its armies, attacking, or planning to attack Pakistan; whoever that nation is n where ever armies of enemy state are situated. And than make good on that declaration.

7) Create Foreign Mujahideen Legion where every foreign Muslim can join to fight in accordance with law of Pakistan. Allow them to operate n conduct fighting in accordance with Islamic law.

8) educate army about Islam, Jihad, about bravery of muslim soilders of past so they r inspired n motivated to fight n not demoralized.