Los Angeles Clashes between ICE and demonstrators, Trump sends in the National Guard.

[MH.Yang]

I see some legal immigrants see illegal immigrants as the enemy and support Trump's approach. I want to be very blunt and tell you that you are not only wrong but suicidal in terms of historical cases.

Do you think the conflict between illegal immigrants and MAGA is only about illegal vs. legal? Wrong. The real conflict is that these immigrants hurt their jobs, prices, and almost all other resources for survival, increasing the gap between rich and poor.

May I ask if illegal immigrants are really the only ones who compete for MAGA's resources? The fact is MAGA hates all immigrants, illegal or legal.

This is the inevitable result of populism, and any populism inevitably leads to hatred of external political entities and immigrants, never distinguishing between illegal and legal, and never excepting.

Did you know that the Nazi government in Germany prior to WWII initially arrested just a few Jewish merchants for hoarding, and eventually their tactics and policies became more and more extreme, and officials who were not extreme enough would be replaced by even more extreme officials, and eventually progressed from arresting illegal Jewish merchants to arresting all Jewish merchants, and then all Jews, and then all Jews to be sent to make soap, and then unionists. then arresting Catholics, then Slavs ...... This is the inevitable progression of populist states, and the policies will only get more extreme.

Today you help MAGA hurt illegals, tomorrow no one will stop MAGA from hurting you.

 

[Developereo]

Do you think the conflict between illegal immigrants and MAGA is only about illegal vs. legal? Wrong. The real conflict is that these immigrants hurt their jobs, prices, and almost all other resources for survival, increasing the gap between rich and poor.

Data and Facts Drove More Asians to Vote for President Trump in 2024

/PRNewswire/ -- According to the NBC exit poll of 2024, the percentage of Asian Americans who voted for President Trump has reached a new high of 39%, which is...

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ORLANDO, Fla., Nov. 11, 2024 /PRNewswire/ -- According to the NBC exit poll of 2024, the percentage of Asian Americans who voted for President Trump has reached a new high of 39%, which is 5% higher than in 2020 and 12% higher than in 2016. This marks the second-largest shift among all racial groups, next to Hispanic Americans, who had a 18% shift since 2016.

As the largest grassroots Asian American PAC supporting President Trump, Asians Making America Great Again (AsiansMAGA) welcomes this remarkable political shift and attributes this change to successful voter education that specifically addresses Asian Americans' key concerns.

 

[FarhanSiddiqui]

The Drug Mafia may join in with protestors targeting the ICE and other law enforcement agencies. I am sure many countries would enjoy the show as Trump policies have hurt many countries.

 

[FuturePAF]

I see some legal immigrants see illegal immigrants as the enemy and support Trump's approach. I want to be very blunt and tell you that you are not only wrong but suicidal in terms of historical cases.

Do you think the conflict between illegal immigrants and MAGA is only about illegal vs. legal? Wrong. The real conflict is that these immigrants hurt their jobs, prices, and almost all other resources for survival, increasing the gap between rich and poor.

May I ask if illegal immigrants are really the only ones who compete for MAGA's resources? The fact is MAGA hates all immigrants, illegal or legal.

This is the inevitable result of populism, and any populism inevitably leads to hatred of external political entities and immigrants, never distinguishing between illegal and legal, and never excepting.

Did you know that the Nazi government in Germany prior to WWII initially arrested just a few Jewish merchants for hoarding, and eventually their tactics and policies became more and more extreme, and officials who were not extreme enough would be replaced by even more extreme officials, and eventually progressed from arresting illegal Jewish merchants to arresting all Jewish merchants, and then all Jews, and then all Jews to be sent to make soap, and then unionists. then arresting Catholics, then Slavs ...... This is the inevitable progression of populist states, and the policies will only get more extreme.

Today you help MAGA hurt illegals, tomorrow no one will stop MAGA from hurting you.

Legal immigrants aren’t unaware of the risk, and hence only support any of these measures up to a point. Besides many MAGA supporters are in interracial relationships. Just like past immigration waves, the demographic waves will ebb and flow, but eventually crest creating a new paradigm, a more diverse nation.

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[MH.Yang]

Data and Facts Drove More Asians to Vote for President Trump in 2024

/PRNewswire/ -- According to the NBC exit poll of 2024, the percentage of Asian Americans who voted for President Trump has reached a new high of 39%, which is...

www.prnewswire.com

ORLANDO, Fla., Nov. 11, 2024 /PRNewswire/ -- According to the NBC exit poll of 2024, the percentage of Asian Americans who voted for President Trump has reached a new high of 39%, which is 5% higher than in 2020 and 12% higher than in 2016. This marks the second-largest shift among all racial groups, next to Hispanic Americans, who had a 18% shift since 2016.

As the largest grassroots Asian American PAC supporting President Trump, Asians Making America Great Again (AsiansMAGA) welcomes this remarkable political shift and attributes this change to successful voter education that specifically addresses Asian Americans' key concerns.

It's normal. Before WWII, Jewish organizations such as the National Association of German Jews, the Association of German Jewish Veterans, and others similarly supported Hitler, and even supported the Nazis in arresting Jewish businessmen. In the end, these Jews' ingratiating behavior did not change their fate, and they were similarly made into soap by the Nazis.

 

[That_Guy]

I am pretty sure aiding and abetting a fugitive to avoid arrest on a federal warrant is illegal.

That's the claim, they need to prove it.

As it is, these are nothing more than allegations, and haven't been proven in court.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

Deporting people is only one side of the equation. You also need to crack down on people and incentives that reward illegal migration in the first place, otherwise the deportations are just a cynical charade for political point scoring.

This has been the other part of the problem which everyone intentionally ignores.

The company Mrs. AZ previously worked at was bad at that. When she became HR manager, she started to crack down. Bosses pushed back until she showed them what non-compliance could cost. Bottom line: the company.

Bosses backed off. It was a mess.

We here all know this is an issue and we all here know those with a vested interest are not about to upset things.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

That's the claim, they need to prove it.

As it is, these are nothing more than allegations, and haven't been proven in court.

In the case of the Wisconsin judge, it appears it is on video.

 

[Developereo]

That's the claim, they need to prove it.

As it is, these are nothing more than allegations, and haven't been proven in court.

That's fine.

She will get her day in court but she is not above the law. The process is progressing.

It's normal.

The support for immigration reform is not a racist campaign; it has widespread support from all races.

This is not about race: it is about respect for the law and playing by the rules.

The vast majority of legal migrants come from basket case countries and one of the main reasons they escaped is because the old country has no laws. It's the law of the jungle over there, whereas the West generally respects laws and rewards people who play by the rules.

When legal immigrants see these illegals getting rewarded for breaking the law, it negates the social contract and signals the decline of the West towards the basket case countries they escaped in the first place.

The people who broke the migration law have proved that they will break any law they don't like in order to satisfy their personal desires. Why would you hire such a person? Tomorrow they may decide that you (or your business) doesn't deserve your wealth and they are entitled to steal from you because they need the money more than you do!

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

LA riots......do NOT be fooled by these. These are organized riots. This is all by design. It is all part of The Resistance 2.0.

Democrats need another hot button distraction to upset the Trump Agenda and this is it. Biden sowed the seeds over his 4 years. Now the seeds are sprouting.

This was all planned and is being carefully orchestrated.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

Guess the rioters didn't get Newsom's tweets:

President Trump sends National Guard as violent anti-ICE riots erupt in Los Angeles

The National Guard was deployed to Los Angeles County as anti-ICE protests continued to escalate Saturday afternoon and into the evening. The unrest is centered in the city of Paramount, California, where protesters clashed with federal authorities, including Immigration and Customs Enforcement...

www.foxnews.com

 

[SolarWarden]

Well well well it looks like Davey was right

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[Hendarto]

Dude... who do you think supplied South Americans the money to build skylines like this....China?

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They are not there for the benefit of Latin America, but rather to exploit the Latin American, specifically the Chilean coup d'état against Allende. Panama invasion, etc I can go on and on. The term banana republic was coined after O'Henry

The term "banana republic" originated with American author O. Henry in 1904, using it to describe a fictional Central American nation in his book "Cabbages and Kings". This nation, Anchuria, was inspired by his experiences in Honduras and depicted a country heavily influenced by American corporations, particularly in the banana industry, and characterized by political instability and corruption.

 

[gambit]

Expedited Removal only applies when there is already a plausible clause to remove someone, ie if I, as a Law Enforcement arrested someone at the border and he/she failed to produce citizenship document, that apprehension ar subject to expedite removmal, and as per 2020 SCOTUS rule, there are no due process right other than the one passed on by congress.

So, there is a separate due process.

The issue here is, we aren't talking about the same people here, those people we are talking about is people that are already in the US, either had been paroled (like Abrago-Gracia) or people who already has a court order (referring to the one that was snatched during or after immigration court hearing) those are two different category here. Now whether the same can be applied by applying an EO to the people that we were talking about here is another issue, that's not something me and you or even my lawyer wife can answer, that solely on SCOTUS interpretation.

And if SCOTUS agree that there can be separate due processes, what will happen next?

Again, that's a common misconception that "here the jurisdiction thereof" mean the jurisdiction of anything other than within the United States. That's because if this is talking about anything other than the jurisdiction of the United States, then you are saying 14th amendment does not applies to anyone who is not of jurisdiction of the United States

That means 2 things.

1.) Anyone outside JUrisdiction of the United States DOES NOT have right in the United States. Which weirdly would mean people outside the Jurisdiction of the United States cannot have federal debt (Section 4, 14th amendment)

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Well, that mean you cannot be fined, nor need to pay tax if you are a foreigner working in the United Staets nor would you be paid Pension

2.) If this is the case, then the entire Constitution is going to be void because the constitution as a whole is about the jurisdiction of the United States, which would then translate to every law written based on the constitution and bill of right cannot be applies to people who are outside the jurisdiction of the United States (if that mean anything other than the land) You cannot just say 14th amendment mean one thing, where 1st amendment mean something else, they all have to be referring to the same thing, and this is where the jurisdiction come in.

First of all, under international law, diplomat reside in a country is NOT a subject of that host country, but remain a subject of the country of origin, this have nothing to do with 14th amendment, that's why they enjoy diplomatic immunity and their hall of residence is not subject to host jurisdiction. On the other hand, sons of diplomat CAN actually registered as LPR (Legal Premenant Resident) of the United States

Chapter 3 - Children Born in the United States to Accredited Diplomats

A. PurposeThe child of a foreign diplomatic officer accredited by the U.S. Department of State who is born in the United States may voluntarily regis

www.uscis.gov

And if either of the parent is not a diplomat, 14th amendment stills applies, even if they are son's of a diplomat

And Enemy Alien actually included in the 14th amendment, otherwise everyone born in the South when it was enemy of the state during Civil War will not be of US CItizens. that would have been a very big issue.

We already have two exceptions to the 14th:

- Diplomats (established 1868)
- Invading/occupying army (established 1868)

The children of them can never automatically be US citizens. That is what am arguing about.

The moral argument for adding illegal aliens to that list is that if you entered the country thru illegal means, you are in the same category as that as an invading/occupying army. You are a hostile agent under the jurisdiction of another state.

The US Constitution if first and foremost a LEGAL document, and just like every law there was a moral argument FOR that law.

Children borne on US soil are automatically US citizens, except for:

- Diplomats (established 1868)
- Invading/occupying army (established 1868)
- Illegal aliens (proposed 2025)

So what is/are the MORAL argument(s) AGAINST adding illegal aliens to that list?

So far, I have yet to see anyone answering that question. Why not?

Or are YOU saying that the first two items do not exists?

Am not talking about legal permanent resident. Am talking about CITIZENS.

For the purpose of citizenship, should illegal aliens be treated as hostile agent?

 

[Hendarto]

war zone

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