Makkah Defence Alliance: Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan, news & updates
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Ali_Baba
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Every ones knows who they are in bed with, its an open secret.
Ali_Baba
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Hopefully the Turks drop this now, and let matters evolve.
retaxis
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After getting rid of the old dictator mubarak, Egypt just ended up with another one. whether thats good or bad is up to normal day egyptians.
The Rabaa massacre occurred on August 14, 2013, when Egyptian security forces and military units launched a violent crackdown to disperse two massive protest camps in Cairo. It is widely considered the largest mass killing of demonstrators in a single day in modern history. [1]
The Background
Six weeks prior to the massacre, Egypt's military leader (and now president) Abdel Fattah el-Sisi led a military coup that overthrew Mohamed Morsi, the nation's first democratically elected president. Morsi was affiliated with the Muslim Brotherhood. Following the coup, tens of thousands of Morsi’s supporters converged on two major Cairo locations—Rabaa al-Adawiya Square and al-Nahda Square—to stage peaceful sit-ins demanding his reinstatement. The protesters built a self-sustaining tent city with kitchens, clinics, and administrative sectors that operated around the clock for over 45 days. [1, 2, 3, 4]
The Crackdown
Just after dawn on August 14, armoured military vehicles, bulldozers, and snipers surrounded Rabaa Square, blocking off the major exits. [1, 2]
Death Toll
The exact number of casualties remains contested due to restrictions and government suppression, but rights groups agree the toll was catastrophic: [1, 2]
The Aftermath and Impunity
In its landmark report "All According to Plan", Human Rights Watch concluded that the dispersal was a premeditated attack planned at the highest levels of the Egyptian government and likely constituted a crime against humanity. [1, 2]
In the decade following the massacre, the Egyptian government has systematically suppressed documentation of the event. Rabaa Square was physically redesigned and renamed to prevent future demonstrations. While thousands of protesters and journalists were arrested, tried in mass courts, or sentenced to death, no member of the Egyptian security forces or military has ever been charged or held accountable for the killings. [1, 2, 3, 4]
The Rabaa massacre occurred on August 14, 2013, when Egyptian security forces and military units launched a violent crackdown to disperse two massive protest camps in Cairo. It is widely considered the largest mass killing of demonstrators in a single day in modern history. [1]
The Background
Six weeks prior to the massacre, Egypt's military leader (and now president) Abdel Fattah el-Sisi led a military coup that overthrew Mohamed Morsi, the nation's first democratically elected president. Morsi was affiliated with the Muslim Brotherhood. Following the coup, tens of thousands of Morsi’s supporters converged on two major Cairo locations—Rabaa al-Adawiya Square and al-Nahda Square—to stage peaceful sit-ins demanding his reinstatement. The protesters built a self-sustaining tent city with kitchens, clinics, and administrative sectors that operated around the clock for over 45 days. [1, 2, 3, 4]
The Crackdown
Just after dawn on August 14, armoured military vehicles, bulldozers, and snipers surrounded Rabaa Square, blocking off the major exits. [1, 2]
- The Attack: Over a 12-hour period, security forces systematically fired live ammunition into the densely crowded square and deployed snipers from nearby rooftops. [1, 2]
- Tactics: Bulldozers tore through makeshift barricades while tents and buildings—including local mosques converted into makeshift morgues—were burned. [1, 2, 3]
- Armed Claims: While the state narrative alleged that the sit-in was heavily armed, a comprehensive investigation by Human Rights Watch (HRW)
found that the vast majority of protesters were unarmed, identifying only 15 guns among the roughly 85,000 people present. [1, 2]
Death Toll
The exact number of casualties remains contested due to restrictions and government suppression, but rights groups agree the toll was catastrophic: [1, 2]
| Source | Reported Casualties |
|---|---|
| Egyptian Health Ministry | 624 (including 595 protesters and 43 police officers) |
| Human Rights Watch (HRW) | At least 817 in Rabaa and 87 in al-Nahda (likely exceeding 1,000+ total) |
| Local Rights Groups | Up to 2,600 dead, with hundreds still completely unaccounted for |
The Aftermath and Impunity
In its landmark report "All According to Plan", Human Rights Watch concluded that the dispersal was a premeditated attack planned at the highest levels of the Egyptian government and likely constituted a crime against humanity. [1, 2]
In the decade following the massacre, the Egyptian government has systematically suppressed documentation of the event. Rabaa Square was physically redesigned and renamed to prevent future demonstrations. While thousands of protesters and journalists were arrested, tried in mass courts, or sentenced to death, no member of the Egyptian security forces or military has ever been charged or held accountable for the killings. [1, 2, 3, 4]
shapurzolaktaf
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Pakistan may launch some performative air attacks on Houthis in Yemen.
Gotta earn those riyals and keep Daddy USA and Al-Saud satisfied somehow
Ale-Saud pact will not change the status quo in Yemen. Yemenis have fought US, Israel, Ale-Saud, Bahrain, Morocco, Sudan, Egypt, Qatar, Colombian, British, Australian and US mercenaries all together, without being defeated.
Ali_Baba
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Pakistan may launch some performative air attacks on Houthis in Yemen.
Gotta earn those riyals and keep Daddy USA and Al-Saud satisfied somehow
As per cross post from the other thread.
Saudi will need to make a "FORMAL" request under the pact for help and then Pakistan will be obliged to help under the pact. Both Saudi and Pakistan need to think this through as the Houthi can equally reach Pakistan easily as they can reach Israel and Gwadar can be attacked in return by the Houthis.
Starlord
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Attack on Gwadar will draw Pakistan completely into the Yemen war, and if Iran is behind all of that it won't end well for them, the only border they have some sort of peace is Pakistan's border and if Pakistan completely went all in this conflict than it won't be good, and only winner in all that situation will be "Chosen people".
shapurzolaktaf
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For Pakistan it's better to bomb Israeli-US-British proxies (UAE, Bahrain).
Dont let corrupt generals bomb a nation that is starving from a 15 years blockade.
It's pure evil to attack a nation that supported Gaza and currently under siege of US and Israel and Ale-Saud. It's a war of choice for Pakistan, there is no any attack from Yemen towards Pakistan.
Watandar
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It's not a matter of morals or principles. These corrupt generals have weakened Pakistan to the extent that they NEED IMF/World Bank/GCC bailouts, else the System collapses.
Falgrine
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What unfortunate pickle these Saudi camel jockies have put us in.
But again what our minimal air component would achieve what mighty F15s and F18s could not.
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RocketLaw
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Pakistan may launch some performative air attacks on Houthis in Yemen.
Gotta earn those riyals and keep Daddy USA and Al-Saud satisfied somehow
Bro - please don't post Israeli source, don't rely on their tweets everyday
Watandar
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It will be able to put in enough appearances that IMF/World Bank board and Saudi/Emirati princes will not veto the next bailout. It will not make any actual difference on the ground.
The Houthis on the other hand can more easily target fat slow-moving unprotected Pakistani oil tankers.
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