Makkah Defence Alliance: Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan, news & updates

I have said many times before..I will say it again this Mecca Defence pact is not worth the paper its written on.

Even against the weakest of adversariers, the Houth rebels, an alliance can face..the alliance partners have faltered.

Saudi Arabia is in deep trouble.
Pakistan and Turkey have quietly slinked off.

Though from time to time Pakistanis Punjabi establishment will make loud declarations on how much love the Saudi and anyone attacking Saudi Arabia will have to go through them first.

Who is actually helping the Saudis defend against the Houthis missiles. It is actually Israelis and now the Egyptian are offering assistance.

Even the Bangladeshis who at one point were very eager join the gravy train they thought the Mecca defence pact was, are not uttering a peep now a days.
 
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I have said many times before..I will say it again this Mecca Defence pact is not worth the paper its written on.

Even against the weakest of adversariers, the Houth rebels l, an alliance can face..the alliance partners have faltered.

Saudi Arabia is in deep trouble.
Pakistan and Turkey have quietly slinked off.

Though from time to time Pakistanis Punjabi establishment will make loud declarations on how much love the Saudi and anyone attacking Saudi Arabia will have to go through them first.

Who is actually helping the Saudis defend against the Houthis missiles. It is actually Israelis and now the Egyptian are offering assistance.

Even the Bangladeshis who at one point were very eager join the gravy train they thought the Mecca defence pact was, are not uttering a peep now a days.
For outsiders it will always be some worthless paper. No surprise there.
You simply do not (and cannot, ever, understand) the middle east. Lets leave it at that. No need for you guys to worry on this.
Pakistan will do what's necessary and there is no permission required nor need to justify to any other countries for the task ahead. Pakistan is not perfect and we have our flaws which is perfectly ok. We don't aim to be perfect anyway.

And when the time comes, the rest of the muslim nations will do the necessary no matter where and how small or big their countries are. Including BD.
Like pieces of the puzzle we will all fall into place and complete the mosaic.
Let the jealous bunnies burn until then...
 
When you express your views in this manner, you are already operating from a position of inherent "bias."

Different cultures emerge from different soils. No culture is inherently superior or inferior to another, and they cannot simply be transposed from one context to another.

合而不同.

This is a phrase that is notoriously difficult to translate accurately into English.
Then it is your misinterpretation of context and in a way - affirmation of what I said in the post.
 
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I have said many times before..I will say it again this Mecca Defence pact is not worth the paper its written on.

Even against the weakest of adversariers, the Houth rebels, an alliance can face..the alliance partners have faltered.

Saudi Arabia is in deep trouble.
Pakistan and Turkey have quietly slinked off.

Though from time to time Pakistanis Punjabi establishment will make loud declarations on how much love the Saudi and anyone attacking Saudi Arabia will have to go through them first.

Who is actually helping the Saudis defend against the Houthis missiles. It is actually Israelis and now the Egyptian are offering assistance.

Even the Bangladeshis who at one point were very eager join the gravy train they thought the Mecca defence pact was, are not uttering a peep now a days.
You and your fellow Indians will Ofcoarse think that because thinking anything else further complicates India v Pakistan scenario for India. Have you seen / can you provide any official Saudi sources complaining that Pakistan and Turkey are not doing what is required under the pact?Or as you say have ‘quietly slinked off’? So this is just your Indian cope / hope / view?
 
Duration — The agreement will last 10 years, after which any country can withdraw.

nice

Thats one way to read it.

But its more like, no one is allowed to withdraw from it for the first 10 years. There is no end date established. So if in 10 years, the parties feel like its not working for them, they can leave, but I think if it lasts 10 years, its unlikely anyone will leave b/c by then the mutual cooperation should be established enough to where people can judge the benefits for themselves.
 


Article 1

The “Parties” shall cooperate to ensure and safeguard one another’s independence, sovereignty, territorial integrity, and the inviolability of their internationally recognised borders. If the territorial integrity, sovereignty, or internationally recognised borders of any of the “Parties” are threatened or endangered, the “Parties” shall use all necessary means to eliminate such threat(s) or danger(s).

Article 2

An externally originating armed attack against any of the “Parties” shall be considered an attack against all the “Parties.” If one of the “Parties” is subjected to an armed attack or military aggression by another country or group of countries, the “Parties” shall immediately assist the attacked “Party,” making full use of all means of mutual assistance that they can provide to one another. For this purpose, to enable the exercise of the right of self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, the “Parties” shall determine the scope and nature of the support to be provided following an objective assessment of the assistance required, and shall cooperate within the limits of their available resources, including military means and capabilities.

Article 3

Pursuant to Article 2 of this Agreement, the “Parties” shall cooperate closely in the fields of defence, defence industry, and security; develop relations among their Armed Forces; and carry out agreed activities aimed at strengthening cooperation in defence.

Article 4

The “Parties” shall hold regular consultations on international security matters. They shall continuously and effectively assist one another and cooperate in developing individual and joint measures based on common assessments, in order to protect their vital interests and national security and eliminate threats and dangers to their national security.

Article 5

The “Parties” shall strengthen existing cooperation and joint efforts, including at the operational level, in combating terrorism in all its forms and manifestations that adversely affect regional and international stability and security.

Article 6

In wartime and peacetime, the “Parties” shall encourage reciprocal personnel exchanges among defence institutions, joint training programmes and exercises, and deployments and activities aimed at increasing the interoperability of the “Parties’” armed forces, in order to develop their defence capabilities.

Article 7

To strengthen their defence capabilities, the “Parties” shall, on the basis of mutual agreement, support technology sharing among defence-industry institutions, joint technology development, joint production, and cooperation among defence-industry organisations in the following areas:
a) Encouraging joint production in the field of defence;
b) Implementing defence innovation through joint research and development projects in technologies requiring specialised expertise;
c) Training personnel and supporting the military industry within the territories of the “Parties” through experts from any “Party”;
d) Sharing expertise and lessons learned in the fields of defence industry, defence research and development, and innovation;
e) Other areas of cooperation mutually agreed upon by the “Parties”.


Article 8
1. The “Core Parties” shall establish a “Strategic Political and Defence Committee”, comprising the Foreign Ministers, Defence Ministers, and Chiefs of General Staff of the “Parties” to provide strategic direction for joint defence, develop defence and security cooperation among the “Parties” and address obstacles that may arise during the implementation of this Agreement. The Committee shall meet twice a year, with hosting rotating among the “Parties”. The leaders of the “Parties” may meet once a year if deemed necessary.

2. The “Strategic Political and Defence Committee” may establish subcommittees if it considers this necessary.

3. Agreements or protocols shall, where necessary, be negotiated among the “Parties” for the implementation of the areas of cooperation envisaged in this Agreement.

4. The “Strategic Political and Defence Committee” shall be authorised, by consensus of the “Core Parties”, to determine and approve the procedures and principles governing the accession of other “Parties” to this Agreement.

5. A Secretariat headquartered in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia shall be established to serve the “Strategic Political and Defence Committee”. The Secretariat shall conclude a headquarters agreement with the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. The procedures and principles governing the Secretariat’s functioning, organisational structure, and establishment shall subsequently be determined by consensus of the “Core Parties”.

6. The Secretariat shall be headed by a Secretary-General appointed for a three-year term on a rotational basis among the “Core Parties”. The first Secretary-General shall be a citizen of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

7. The provisions of this Article shall not prejudice the work of existing military cooperation committees among the “Parties”.

Article 9
To deepen cooperation in intelligence and provide the necessary coordination in this regard, the “Parties” shall share intelligence through mutually agreed secure channels, while observing information security, data protection and confidentiality.

Article 10
Subject to the availability and compatibility of logistical support services, the “Parties” shall provide one another with logistical support in peacetime, wartime, and other emergencies, including weapons, ammunition, fuel, spare parts, and other equipment.

Article 11

Without prejudice to international law and the relevant domestic laws of the “Parties”, the “Parties” shall accept this Agreement as the legal basis for implementing its provisions and shall propose additional legal measures where necessary.

Article 12

This Agreement shall not prejudice the rights and obligations of the “Parties” arising from international agreements they have previously concluded.

Article 13

1. The “Parties” shall respect the confidentiality of classified information and documents obtained under this Agreement and shall respect national legislation.

2. Classified information and documents shall not be shared with any state, company, or person outside the “Parties”.

3. Access to classified information and documents shall be provided on a “need-to-know” basis and only to persons holding the appropriate level of security clearance.

Article 14
Any dispute arising from the interpretation or implementation of this Agreement shall be settled amicably through consultations and discussions among the “Parties”.

Article 15

This Agreement may be amended through consultations and unanimous agreement among the “Core Parties”.

Article 16

1. This Agreement shall be ratified in accordance with the procedures applicable to each “Party” and shall enter into force on the date on which the final instrument of ratification is deposited with the Secretariat of the “Strategic Political and Defence Committee”.

2. This Agreement shall remain in force indefinitely.

3. Any “Party” may withdraw from this Agreement after 10 years have elapsed from its entry into force, by giving the other “Parties” written notification of its intention to withdraw through diplomatic channels at least three months in advance.

4. Termination of this Agreement or withdrawal from it shall not affect any ongoing activities or projects agreed upon by the “Parties” before the date of termination or withdrawal.

5. The responsibilities of the “Parties” concerning the protection of classified information and documents and the prevention of their disclosure shall continue after termination of this Agreement or withdrawal from it.

Article 2 applies to Saudi/Houthi and it is not lost on me that the text was published on the same day that Munir has gone to Iran.
 

That's a lot more comprehensive than I thought. If it survives the next few years, and that's a big IF, since many adversaries will definitely try to put pressure on this new alliance to break it before it becomes entrenched, it would serve as a great starting base for others to join and restructure the entire ME security architecture for the better. I hope it lasts.
 

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